[jeepmanjr]

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jeepmanjr said
You know what's worse? Upgrading a really nice, cutting edge PC to Windows 8. Why? Have you tried it?

No, I'm just spouting off! Of course I have. W8 is a terrible OS for a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste the space or time, Google is your friend. There are vast quantities of info out there that will explain in great detail why this kind of junk is better on a phone than a PC.

[jeepmanjr]

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jeepmanjr said
You know what's worse? Upgrading a really nice, cutting edge PC to Windows 8. Care to share why you think so? And how would you really know? Unfortunately you don't even understand the meaning of nice or cutting edge. How could you? You obviously haven't even seriously tried Windows 8. Whereas, many true open-minded enthusiasts experienced the preview versions of Win8 (DP, CP, RP) since its initial release on September 13, 2011. Personally, I currently run the full RTM (not previews) of Windows 8 Enterprise on my six core HTPC, Windows 8 Pro on my Dell Studio 1558, and Windows 2012 Server on my main server. All 64-bit of course. What's the point of running a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit CPU? Duh! 32-bit is only limited to all current ARM based systems. Since all ARM processors are 32-bit. Hey, I also run a Samsung manufactured, Broadcom based ARM chip on my https://encrypted.go...&q=raspberry+pi, just for fun! And simply love my Samsung Galaxy Nexus running Android 4.1.1. Please grow up, and try to understand stuff, before putting it down, just like a dumb fanboi on blinders. ~~~~~~~~~ People are eternally divided into two classes, the believer, builder, and praiser, and the unbeliever, destroyer and critic. ~ John Ruskin Knowledge is the antidote to fear. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. ~ Dale Carnegie, 1888-1955

Wintard...fitting name.

[compnovo]

waldojim, on 24 September 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

compnovo, on 24 September 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

FishamanP, on 24 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

"'Old' isn't quite the word for a system like this"

Damn right. Let's see you run Windows 8 on a Pentium. Then we'll talk.

According to the article he was running Win8 on a Pentium D 965.

I think the poster was referring to the first (or I suppose 2nd generation depending on your definition) generation Pentium systems. Like my trusty Pentium 233mmx.

Oh, THAT Pentium.

[waldojim]

jeepmanjr, on 25 September 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

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jeepmanjr said
You know what's worse? Upgrading a really nice, cutting edge PC to Windows 8. Why? Have you tried it?

No, I'm just spouting off! Of course I have. W8 is a terrible OS for a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste the space or time, Google is your friend. There are vast quantities of info out there that will explain in great detail why this kind of junk is better on a phone than a PC.

If you took the time to use Google, you would also find the myriad of reasons Windows 8 is perfect for the desktop. Lighter resource consumption, better memory and CPU management, and better security mechanisms to start.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 25 September 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

jeepmanjr, on 25 September 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

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jeepmanjr said
You know what's worse? Upgrading a really nice, cutting edge PC to Windows 8. Why? Have you tried it?

No, I'm just spouting off! Of course I have. W8 is a terrible OS for a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste the space or time, Google is your friend. There are vast quantities of info out there that will explain in great detail why this kind of junk is better on a phone than a PC.

If you took the time to use Google, you would also find the myriad of reasons Windows 8 is perfect for the desktop. Lighter resource consumption, better memory and CPU management, and better security mechanisms to start.

True, but I don't know what Ballmer was smoking when he decided to put metro on desktops and laptops. What's the point of having a tablet UI there?

[cjohnsontech]

All week I've been stuck in my office recovering a client's server (a client which doesn't monitor their backup status and hadn't gotten a viable backup in two weeks). So to pass the time I worked on a few projects of my own that I had been putting off. Recovering data from old PCs to one localized server, implementing a nComputing L300 Zero Client, rebuilding an old Nitix server for some web use, and, finally, fixing an old HP 520 Notebook. Found the 530 to have two bad sticks of RAM and a SMART 80GB hard drive with tons of problems. Swapped out the RAM with two known good 512's and put a 160GB Toshiba drive in. Burned W8-8250 to a DVD and threw it in. Lo and behold, it actually installed. So if anyone is wondering whether or not W8 will run on the bare requirements of processors and 1GB of RAM, I can easily vouch for it. Granted, I'm running a 120GB SSD and 4GB of RAM on W8-8400 now. But it's running just about the same as before, just a much faster start-up time (never clocked it but it seems around 15-20 second including login time). I'm a mobile tech of twelve years and I'm having a hard time adjusting to the change over. My assumption is that the "Start Menu" would be a fun touch screen feature, but I think I'll stick to XP or 7... And considering this driver availability for this 530, seems like I'm stuck with XP (because I'm certainly not putting Vista on it)

[LiveBrianD]

cjohnsontech, on 29 September 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

All week I've been stuck in my office recovering a client's server (a client which doesn't monitor their backup status and hadn't gotten a viable backup in two weeks). So to pass the time I worked on a few projects of my own that I had been putting off. Recovering data from old PCs to one localized server, implementing a nComputing L300 Zero Client, rebuilding an old Nitix server for some web use, and, finally, fixing an old HP 520 Notebook. Found the 530 to have two bad sticks of RAM and a SMART 80GB hard drive with tons of problems. Swapped out the RAM with two known good 512's and put a 160GB Toshiba drive in. Burned W8-8250 to a DVD and threw it in. Lo and behold, it actually installed. So if anyone is wondering whether or not W8 will run on the bare requirements of processors and 1GB of RAM, I can easily vouch for it. Granted, I'm running a 120GB SSD and 4GB of RAM on W8-8400 now. But it's running just about the same as before, just a much faster start-up time (never clocked it but it seems around 15-20 second including login time). I'm a mobile tech of twelve years and I'm having a hard time adjusting to the change over. My assumption is that the "Start Menu" would be a fun touch screen feature, but I think I'll stick to XP or 7... And considering this driver availability for this 530, seems like I'm stuck with XP (because I'm certainly not putting Vista on it)

If you can run Vista on it, you can almost certainly run 7 on it (the same drivers should work, and 7 is a bit lighter on the hardware as well).

[GorillaCat]

I'm guessing I'm one of the lucky few with a modern pc that for some reason shipped with XP SP3. I'm guessing Dell decided that 7 was too slow for the Mini1012, so they had models installed with win7 and others with XP SP3 (wich for some reason was faster). I think they should have a maximum system age limit for win8, 5 years preferably.

[cjohnsontech]

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cjohnsontech said
All week I've been stuck in my office recovering a client's server (a client which doesn't monitor their backup status and hadn't gotten a viable backup in two weeks). So to pass the time I worked on a few projects of my own that I had been putting off. Recovering data from old PCs to one localized server, implementing a nComputing L300 Zero Client, rebuilding an old Nitix server for some web use, and, finally, fixing an old HP 520 Notebook. Found the 530 to have two bad sticks of RAM and a SMART 80GB hard drive with tons of problems. Swapped out the RAM with two known good 512's and put a 160GB Toshiba drive in. Burned W8-8250 to a DVD and threw it in. Lo and behold, it actually installed. So if anyone is wondering whether or not W8 will run on the bare requirements of processors and 1GB of RAM, I can easily vouch for it. Granted, I'm running a 120GB SSD and 4GB of RAM on W8-8400 now. But it's running just about the same as before, just a much faster start-up time (never clocked it but it seems around 15-20 second including login time). I'm a mobile tech of twelve years and I'm having a hard time adjusting to the change over. My assumption is that the "Start Menu" would be a fun touch screen feature, but I think I'll stick to XP or 7... And considering this driver availability for this 530, seems like I'm stuck with XP (because I'm certainly not putting Vista on it) If you can run Vista on it, you can almost certainly run 7 on it (the same drivers should work, and 7 is a bit lighter on the hardware as well).

I definitely considered it. Woudln't take much effort to load it up and try before XP. I think I'll probably stick with 7 anyways since 8-8400 was able to load up everything but the video driver with MS drivers. Would be nice to get a better performance score than 2.0 though.

And as an update to the laptop: Over the weekend I loaded up Oracle VirtualBox to let my 4 year old play his Qimo on it as a virtual machine. Runs without any issues. I'm also starting to get used to the layout. Not a big fan of the two separate web browsers. Especially since the enhanced one from the start menu isn't supported by Adobe yet. So YouTube is out.

Qimo: If you read that and wondered what I'm talking about, it's a Linux based OS made for kids 3 and up. No, I'm not going to preach Linux because I'm a devout Windows user. But if someone is going to make kid friendly OS that comes pre-loaded with educational games, who am I to deny my kids the opportunity to learn?

[cjohnsontech]

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I'm guessing I'm one of the lucky few with a modern pc that for some reason shipped with XP SP3. I'm guessing Dell decided that 7 was too slow for the Mini1012, so they had models installed with win7 and others with XP SP3 (wich for some reason was faster). I think they should have a maximum system age limit for win8, 5 years preferably.

The DEP pretty much takes care of that already. And the majority of end-users are usually people that buy their systems from retail chains. So it's not like they're going to be upgrading on a system much older than two or three years anyways. The only people that are upgrading on old machines are techy-type people who either really like their old computer and are able to upgrade as necessary or people that just want to push the limits of possibility.

[mercbeck]

Well I upgraded a number of XP machines. a HP nc4400 note book, an nx7300 note book. both upgrades went smoothly detecting all devices. (!) With the free classic start menu addon, business as usual. A good upgrade at the low special offer price ( November) to keep an old useful note book safe for the next few years.

[cooljoebay]

I wouldn't call those specs "old". I have been using WIndows 7 with lots of big software using those specs. I think people are just spoiled. You only need the big specs for inflated software like video editing and games.

The bottom line is this. Windows 7 is still more stable than WIndows 8. The speed boost is hit and miss. But it performs sluggish in many instances. I kinda laugh at the irony of Windows 8 being faster than Windows 7. Because Windows XP is still faster than both.

[LiveBrianD]

cooljoebay, on 27 December 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

I wouldn't call those specs "old". I have been using WIndows 7 with lots of big software using those specs. I think people are just spoiled. You only need the big specs for inflated software like video editing and games.

The bottom line is this. Windows 7 is still more stable than WIndows 8. The speed boost is hit and miss. But it performs sluggish in many instances. I kinda laugh at the irony of Windows 8 being faster than Windows 7. Because Windows XP is still faster than both.

TBH, pretty much anything with a dual-core CPU and 2GB RAM is enough to run Windows 7 smoothly if you're just surfing the web.

[HLNKay]

Everyone should use the Operating System they like the most. Just Installed Windows 8 on a Pentium M (1.9Ghz/533Mhz FSB) with 1.5GB in RAM and a slow 5400RPM HDD (Around 25 MB/s Read Speed), well it feels REALLY good as it's main use is Social Networks and Casual web surfing (news and youtube).

Why didn't i stick to W7 or install WXP? Well the metro interface looks pretty