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LiveBrianD, on 27 April 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

And? Ever considered the fact that not many displays like that exist, and scaling in windows sucks? I find it funny that you said the Galaxy Nexus screen wasn't that sharp, and yet find 140ppi to be good.

And if you do not own a 15" 1080P display (quality one at that), then it is hard for you to be in a position to comment on how it looks. Didn't realize that needed dragged out...

The Galaxy Nexus complaints stem from the display design, not the ppi. As mentioned above, PPI is not the end-all be-all of displays. Like everything else, it is a single spec among many... and yet you miss that every time.

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FWIW, I find it appalling that Windows Pocket PC 2002 had good scaling back in 2002 (for example: http://www.winmobile...WapPage.bmp.png), yet regular ol' Windows STILL has issues with things...

Anyway, I've considered getting a 13" 1080p machine, but there's still the external monitor issue, so I just might end up with a retina mbp if the scaling continues to be as poor in the areas I mentioned as it is in Windows. Really tempting...

Get a decent display, don't eff with the scaling, and enjoy a quality display for once.

EDIT: It should be noted that I am taking my own advice here. I have been buying higher quality equipment, including displays for the reasons I mention above. I don't worry about scaling, because the text/graphics are CLEAR AND SHARP. They all look the way they are supposed to look. You really should try this approach - you might actually be surprised.

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waldojim, on 27 April 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

And if you do not own a 15" 1080P display (quality one at that), then it is hard for you to be in a position to comment on how it looks. Didn't realize that needed dragged out...

Why would that matter? My laptop's display is about the same ppi, and I have no need for a 15" laptop at the moment. Looks like you are looking for excuses to stick with a 20 year old pixel density standard? Ever considered how there are 5" phones now with the same freaking resolution as that 15" sony you just bought, and how that's the highest resolution you can commonly get on a 15" laptop?

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Get a decent display, don't eff with the scaling, and enjoy a quality display for once.


EDIT: It should be noted that I am taking my own advice here. I have been buying higher quality equipment, including displays for the reasons I mention above. I don't worry about scaling, because the text/graphics are CLEAR AND SHARP. They all look the way they are supposed to look. You really should try this approach - you might actually be surprised.

So, do everything possible to cover up a ppi standard from the late 80's/early 90's, and avoid moving forward so you can avoid the scaling issues that should've been fixed a long time ago? OK. By the same logic, moving beyond the Core 2 Duo was pointless because it was good enough, and an SSD will cover up the fact that it's not as fast as it could be. Progress is pointless and unnecessary, right? I know I'd love a lower res phone so I don't need scaling on it! (/s) Thing is, pixels are harder to discern on my desktop monitor than my laptop screen when viewing them from distances that result in the same text size, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy more clarity. Even if I try hard enough to ignore the pixels on an mba, it doesn't mean I can't discern and enjoy the difference with a retina mbp. It's amazing how freaking few pixels are used to render text on modern screens, and this really needs to change. Ever heard Linux Tovalds' opinion on this? I can start to see the pixels (a bit of grainyness on colored things really) on a retina MBP from a slightly close viewing distance (not a big deal from there though), and as a result everything else looks absolutely pathetic.

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LiveBrianD, on 27 April 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

Why would that matter? My laptop's display is about the same ppi, and I have no need for a 15" laptop at the moment. Looks like you are looking for excuses to stick with a 20 year old pixel density standard? Ever considered how there are 5" phones now with the same freaking resolution as that 15" sony you just bought, and how that's the highest resolution you can commonly get on a 15" laptop?

The Sony is the SECOND machine with a quality 1080P display. The X100/120 uses a fairly low quality display. Remember, I have the 1080P 95% Gamut display to compare against as well. Even the TN panel looks sharp. The IPS display has much better color, but they are both sharp displays. Maybe rather than trying to find excuses NOT to try quality parts, you should shut up and take some advice for a change?

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So, do everything possible to cover up a ppi standard from the late 80's/early 90's, and avoid moving forward so you can avoid the scaling issues that should've been fixed a long time ago? OK. By the same logic, moving beyond the Core 2 Duo was pointless because it was good enough, and an SSD will cover up the fact that it's not as fast as it could be. Progress is pointless and unnecessary, right? I know I'd love a lower res phone so I don't need scaling on it! (/s) Thing is, pixels are harder to discern on my desktop monitor than my laptop screen when viewing them from distances that result in the same text size, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy more clarity. Even if I try hard enough to ignore the pixels on an mba, it doesn't mean I can't discern and enjoy the difference with a retina mbp. It's amazing how freaking few pixels are used to render text on modern screens, and this really needs to change. Ever heard Linux Tovalds' opinion on this? I can start to see the pixels (a bit of grainyness on colored things really) on a retina MBP from a slightly close viewing distance (not a big deal from there though), and as a result everything else looks absolutely pathetic.

Get over yourself. Enjoy premium products. And you will find that the rest of your argument will go right out the window. Allow me one last time to state I have no scaling issues, because I have no need to. That has been true on BOTH 15" 1080P laptops. Real people have a VERY hard time finding a reason to complain about either one.

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If you want to stay with a 20 year old pixel density standard rather than have progress, that's your problem, and maybe you should get your eyes checked. As I said, even on the best displays I've seen, text still isn't that sharp. Some things are just hard to read with that pixel density as well (11pt Calibri or 12pt times, for example - there's not that much detail in the font rendering, and I have to zoom to comfortably read it for that reason - the font size isn't the problem at all, as I can read MUCH smaller text on my phone, to the point that the screen doesn't have a high enough resolution to make that text clear). On iMac displays, for example (which are pretty high quality), I have an extremely hard time ignoring the fact that text isn't sharp. Same thing with Windows on everything I've seen. It doesn't matter how high quality the screen is, there just aren't enough pixels, and things aren't that sharp.

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LiveBrianD, on 28 April 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

If you want to stay with a 20 year old pixel density standard rather than have progress, that's your problem, and maybe you should get your eyes checked. As I said, even on the best displays I've seen, text still isn't that sharp. Some things are just hard to read with that pixel density as well (11pt Calibri or 12pt times, for example - there's not that much detail in the font rendering, and I have to zoom to comfortably read it for that reason - the font size isn't the problem at all, as I can read MUCH smaller text on my phone, to the point that the screen doesn't have a high enough resolution to make that text clear). On iMac displays, for example (which are pretty high quality), I have an extremely hard time ignoring the fact that text isn't sharp. Same thing with Windows on everything I've seen. It doesn't matter how high quality the screen is, there just aren't enough pixels, and things aren't that sharp.

Get a decent display, or go back to CRT.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 28 April 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 28 April 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

If you want to stay with a 20 year old pixel density standard rather than have progress, that's your problem, and maybe you should get your eyes checked. As I said, even on the best displays I've seen, text still isn't that sharp. Some things are just hard to read with that pixel density as well (11pt Calibri or 12pt times, for example - there's not that much detail in the font rendering, and I have to zoom to comfortably read it for that reason - the font size isn't the problem at all, as I can read MUCH smaller text on my phone, to the point that the screen doesn't have a high enough resolution to make that text clear). On iMac displays, for example (which are pretty high quality), I have an extremely hard time ignoring the fact that text isn't sharp. Same thing with Windows on everything I've seen. It doesn't matter how high quality the screen is, there just aren't enough pixels, and things aren't that sharp.

Get a decent display, or go back to CRT.

And on CRTs, I can see the pixels just as well, not to mention that those tend to not be as sharp at times. Look: why on earth do you want to stick with an outdated pixel density standard, when even 5" PHONES have the same resolutions? (720p/1080p) Is your eyesight that bad that you can't see the difference? Also, I've seen loads of "decent" displays. My HP is pretty good for a TN panel. And on all of them, you can tell that text isn't completely sharp. There just aren't enough pixels, period. Considering that I can tell at a glance that the iphone is sharper than the gnexus, for example, it shouldn't be much of a surprise that I can see how text isn't sharp with 96ppi, no matter what display it is. (I can tell on a Surface Pro with no scaling that text isn't entirely sharp - that should tell you something.)

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LiveBrianD, on 28 April 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Is your eyesight that bad that you can't see the difference?

Coming from the person who cannot see without scaling on a 15" 1080P display, that is just too funny.

Pot, meet kettle.

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waldojim, on 28 April 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 28 April 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Is your eyesight that bad that you can't see the difference?

Coming from the person who cannot see without scaling on a 15" 1080P display, that is just too funny.

Pot, meet kettle.

I can see just fine without scaling on a 10" 1080p screen - I've tried that on the Surface Pro (though without scaling, I prefer that resolution on a 15" or larger screen). Not liking small text and not being able to see it are two different things. Obviously, you need to read more carefully. Considering you didn't even read my last post (where I said, yet again, that I can read text just fine on a MUCH smaller screen with the same resolution), I don't think I can take you seriously.

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LiveBrianD, on 28 April 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

I can see just fine without scaling on a 10" 1080p screen - I've tried that on the Surface Pro (though without scaling, I prefer that resolution on a 15" or larger screen). Not liking small text and not being able to see it are two different things. Obviously, you need to read more carefully. Considering you didn't even read my last post (where I said, yet again, that I can read text just fine on a MUCH smaller screen with the same resolution), I don't think I can take you seriously.

I know I certainly cannot take you seriously. You flip flop worse than a fish outta water.

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waldojim, on 28 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 28 April 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

I can see just fine without scaling on a 10" 1080p screen - I've tried that on the Surface Pro (though without scaling, I prefer that resolution on a 15" or larger screen). Not liking small text and not being able to see it are two different things. Obviously, you need to read more carefully. Considering you didn't even read my last post (where I said, yet again, that I can read text just fine on a MUCH smaller screen with the same resolution), I don't think I can take you seriously.

I know I certainly cannot take you seriously. You flip flop worse than a fish outta water.

I flip flop about as much as a rock does. You, on the other hand, seem to love bullshit when it supports your arguments. Contrary to what you think, I can see through that bullshit VERY easily. How exactly am I flip flopping when I said that I don't LIKE reading small text, but that I CAN read it? Oh, and I just printed out a screenshot at 288ppi (that is, a 2560x1440 screenshot that still wasn't taking up the entire page). (the laser printer was set to the max - 2400ppi) At that point, I can read the text just fine, aside from the fact that I hit the dpi limits of the printer and as such I can easily see that text isn't clear.

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 28 April 2013 - 05:11 PM