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Post your comments for Windows 7 to Windows 8: The system's biggest improvements here

[Hemo2]

It seems this article looked at Windows 8 from a home user perspective and not a corporate enterprise environment when referencing features that are 'better'.

[SDW48]

WINDOWS 8 IS CLEARLY CATERING TO THE BELOW 35 GROUP.
THIS LEAVES MOST OLDER PEOPLE BEHIND. BECAUSE MOST OLDER
PEOPLE DON'T DO FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL STUFF OTHER THAN EMAIL
I USED MY PC FOR MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS. IF YOU JUST WANT A
PC TO KEEP UP WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES, SHARE PICS, LISTEN TO MUSIC, BUY AN APPLE PRODUCT.
THIS LOOKS LIKE THEIR JUMPING ON THE APPLE BAND WAGON.

[orlbuckeye]

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It seems this article looked at Windows 8 from a home user perspective and not a corporate enterprise environment when referencing features that are 'better'.

I would think that syncing emails to multiple devices could be called a corporate feature. I don't think the OS has much affect in the corporate world except for email. In the corporate world the concern is applications and the typical non IT worker won't be tinkering with the OS. My organization won't be able to move to WIndows 8 we currently can't even move to 100% Windows 7 because some of our enterprise software is browser version dependent.

[JasonRittenhouse]

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It seems this article looked at Windows 8 from a home user perspective and not a corporate enterprise environment when referencing features that are 'better'.

Why would they focus on an enterprise environment? Most enterprises are still on XP getting ready to move to Win 7. Judging by your comment, I would assume that maybe you represent an enterprise that is the exception but it's my understanding that your business would be in the minority if that's the case. Right now the focus of Win 8 reviews is for the consumer as that is who will be using it in a few days.

[WallyDuke]

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WINDOWS 8 IS CLEARLY CATERING TO THE BELOW 35 GROUP. THIS LEAVES MOST OLDER PEOPLE BEHIND. BECAUSE MOST OLDER PEOPLE DON'T DO FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL STUFF OTHER THAN EMAIL I USED MY PC FOR MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS. IF YOU JUST WANT A PC TO KEEP UP WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES, SHARE PICS, LISTEN TO MUSIC, BUY AN APPLE PRODUCT. THIS LOOKS LIKE THEIR JUMPING ON THE APPLE BAND WAGON.

Let me see if I have this straight. You think Windows is getting too much like an Apple product, and that this is a bad thing? Then you make the conclusion that, to fix this problem, one should buy an Apple product? Did I read that right? I mean, DID I READ THAT RIGHT?

[miki18tm]

New BSOD : " Your pc ran intro a problem ..."

[jmpreston]

I'm not seeing much of a Win 8 value proposition for consumers or biz and I use Windows for both. Win 7 is a good O/S. Far less maintenance than Vista. It reminds me of MS-DOS 5, the only other MS O/S that worked well.

I like to customize my desktop with shortcut icons, not a limited number of tiles. A few features mentioned above are nice, or at least cute, but none are compelling.

I'm moving to Apple for biz and personal. Expensive but far less time screwing around with the O/S. There is nothing above that makes Win 8 better than OS X at the O/S level. Live Tiles, Modern UI, and the rest are overlays and don't help with the major problems.

[aristorias]

I hear that it is pretty poor at games. Many titles do not run at all so an 'upgrade' to 8 could be a lot more expensive in terms of lost titles than it appears from the current tempting offer price.
To underline this point look at microsofts own web site which details the many games that will not run.

http://www.microsoft...mpatCenter/Home

aristorias

[WallyDuke]

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I'm not seeing much of a Win 8 value proposition for consumers or biz and I use Windows for both. Win 7 is a good O/S. Far less maintenance than Vista. It reminds me of MS-DOS 5, the only other MS O/S that worked well. I like to customize my desktop with shortcut icons, not a limited number of tiles. A few features mentioned above are nice, or at least cute, but none are compelling. I'm moving to Apple for biz and personal. Expensive but far less time screwing around with the O/S. There is nothing above that makes Win 8 better than OS X at the O/S level. Live Tiles, Modern UI, and the rest are overlays and don't help with the major problems.

You do realize that you can, very easily by the way, pin shortcuts (to folders, files, website, etc...) to the Windows 8 start screen don't you? You can even group tiles together, so you could have a tile which contains all of your shortcuts nice and neatly. Also, I am not aware of a limit to the number of tiles you can add to the start screen, I tried to find some information on this and found none, which leads me to believe there is no reasonable limit. You do realize that the start screen continues to the right, to what I am guessing would be referred to as a second start screen, don't you? You can also quickly view all the start screens at once and then jump right to the one you want. Quite literally, almost every complaint I read about Windows 8 shows a complete lack of knowledge as to how the OS works. It's really quite sad, one should not be critical of something they have so little knowledge of. Knowing that you don't know something is far less dangerous than thinking you know something, and being wrong.

[Kadidelhopper]

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WINDOWS 8 IS CLEARLY CATERING TO THE BELOW 35 GROUP. THIS LEAVES MOST OLDER PEOPLE BEHIND. BECAUSE MOST OLDER PEOPLE DON'T DO FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL STUFF OTHER THAN EMAIL I USED MY PC FOR MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS. IF YOU JUST WANT A PC TO KEEP UP WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES, SHARE PICS, LISTEN TO MUSIC, BUY AN APPLE PRODUCT. THIS LOOKS LIKE THEIR JUMPING ON THE APPLE BAND WAGON. Let me see if I have this straight. You think Windows is getting too much like an Apple product, and that this is a bad thing? Then you make the conclusion that, to fix this problem, one should buy an Apple product? Did I read that right? I mean, DID I READ THAT RIGHT?

Yeah you read that right dill weed, that is if you can read. What a tool.

[WallyDuke]

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WINDOWS 8 IS CLEARLY CATERING TO THE BELOW 35 GROUP. THIS LEAVES MOST OLDER PEOPLE BEHIND. BECAUSE MOST OLDER PEOPLE DON'T DO FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL STUFF OTHER THAN EMAIL I USED MY PC FOR MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS. IF YOU JUST WANT A PC TO KEEP UP WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES, SHARE PICS, LISTEN TO MUSIC, BUY AN APPLE PRODUCT. THIS LOOKS LIKE THEIR JUMPING ON THE APPLE BAND WAGON. Let me see if I have this straight. You think Windows is getting too much like an Apple product, and that this is a bad thing? Then you make the conclusion that, to fix this problem, one should buy an Apple product? Did I read that right? I mean, DID I READ THAT RIGHT? Yeah you read that right dill weed, that is if you can read. What a tool.

Thank you for confirming. (smiling politely)

[brainout]

Hemo2, on 23 October 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

It seems this article looked at Windows 8 from a home user perspective and not a corporate enterprise environment when referencing features that are 'better'.

Bingo. And what it cited as new and good features, are either worse than what I already have in XP, or features I don't want (like the touch thingy, weird way to size windows, different and longer steps to access stuff I already use, etc.). Whoever developed Win8, didn't bother to check with business to learn how business does things. For example, putting all your multiple copies in ONE window will become confusing. The separation of windows helps one keep better track of the copying. And with third-party utilities like TuneUp, I don't need to refresh Windows installation to keep it lean and mean, I don't need their File History since I already have GoBack (which incidentally logs everything you do on the computer, so you can also tell what happened, figure out when what went wrong, turn the clock back easily, etc).

I keep trying to find a way to justify purchasing Win8, so keep on reading the articles about it, and every time I find more reasons to vote NO.

[waldojim]

brainout, on 23 October 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

Hemo2, on 23 October 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

It seems this article looked at Windows 8 from a home user perspective and not a corporate enterprise environment when referencing features that are 'better'.

Bingo. And what it cited as new and good features, are either worse than what I already have in XP, or features I don't want (like the touch thingy, weird way to size windows, different and longer steps to access stuff I already use, etc.). Whoever developed Win8, didn't bother to check with business to learn how business does things. For example, putting all your multiple copies in ONE window will become confusing. The separation of windows helps one keep better track of the copying. And with third-party utilities like TuneUp, I don't need to refresh Windows installation to keep it lean and mean, I don't need their File History since I already have GoBack (which incidentally logs everything you do on the computer, so you can also tell what happened, figure out when what went wrong, turn the clock back easily, etc).

I keep trying to find a way to justify purchasing Win8, so keep on reading the articles about it, and every time I find more reasons to vote NO.

Rather than reading articles that tend to be negative to start with, TRY DOWNLOADING IT. It is a free download.

[brainout]

WallyDuke, on 23 October 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

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I'm not seeing much of a Win 8 value proposition for consumers or biz and I use Windows for both. Win 7 is a good O/S. Far less maintenance than Vista. It reminds me of MS-DOS 5, the only other MS O/S that worked well. I like to customize my desktop with shortcut icons, not a limited number of tiles. A few features mentioned above are nice, or at least cute, but none are compelling. I'm moving to Apple for biz and personal. Expensive but far less time screwing around with the O/S. There is nothing above that makes Win 8 better than OS X at the O/S level. Live Tiles, Modern UI, and the rest are overlays and don't help with the major problems.

You do realize that you can, very easily by the way, pin shortcuts (to folders, files, website, etc...) to the Windows 8 start screen don't you? You can even group tiles together, so you could have a tile which contains all of your shortcuts nice and neatly. Also, I am not aware of a limit to the number of tiles you can add to the start screen, I tried to find some information on this and found none, which leads me to believe there is no reasonable limit. You do realize that the start screen continues to the right, to what I am guessing would be referred to as a second start screen, don't you? You can also quickly view all the start screens at once and then jump right to the one you want. Quite literally, almost every complaint I read about Windows 8 shows a complete lack of knowledge as to how the OS works. It's really quite sad, one should not be critical of something they have so little knowledge of. Knowing that you don't know something is far less dangerous than thinking you know something, and being wrong.

It's even sadder, that you don't know the dysfunctionality of Windows 8 because you don't do your homework. To so change how an OS works, is to disable decades of past work, files, peripherals, to in fact create an INFLATION in all businesses that could have been avoided. Downright criminal, for MS to do this.

But you don't know enough about computers to realize the importance and dysfunctionality that changing an interface and eliminating backwards-compatiblity, creates.

[waldojim]

brainout, on 23 October 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

It's even sadder, that you don't know the dysfunctionality of Windows 8 because you don't do your homework. To so change how an OS works, is to disable decades of past work, files, peripherals, to in fact create an INFLATION in all businesses that could have been avoided. Downright criminal, for MS to do this.

But you don't know enough about computers to realize the importance and dysfunctionality that changing an interface and eliminating backwards-compatiblity, creates.

Coming from the person whose only experience includes "But I read something somewhere..."

Some of us USE it. FYI - I am running Windows 3.1 applications on mine - yes 16bit software. Will be trying for DBASE III+ later.

[WallyDuke]

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WallyDuke said
I'm not seeing much of a Win 8 value proposition for consumers or biz and I use Windows for both. Win 7 is a good O/S. Far less maintenance than Vista. It reminds me of MS-DOS 5, the only other MS O/S that worked well. I like to customize my desktop with shortcut icons, not a limited number of tiles. A few features mentioned above are nice, or at least cute, but none are compelling. I'm moving to Apple for biz and personal. Expensive but far less time screwing around with the O/S. There is nothing above that makes Win 8 better than OS X at the O/S level. Live Tiles, Modern UI, and the rest are overlays and don't help with the major problems. You do realize that you can, very easily by the way, pin shortcuts (to folders, files, website, etc...) to the Windows 8 start screen don't you? You can even group tiles together, so you could have a tile which contains all of your shortcuts nice and neatly. Also, I am not aware of a limit to the number of tiles you can add to the start screen, I tried to find some information on this and found none, which leads me to believe there is no reasonable limit. You do realize that the start screen continues to the right, to what I am guessing would be referred to as a second start screen, don't you? You can also quickly view all the start screens at once and then jump right to the one you want. Quite literally, almost every complaint I read about Windows 8 shows a complete lack of knowledge as to how the OS works. It's really quite sad, one should not be critical of something they have so little knowledge of. Knowing that you don't know something is far less dangerous than thinking you know something, and being wrong. It's even sadder, that you don't know the dysfunctionality of Windows 8 because you don't do your homework. To so change how an OS works, is to disable decades of past work, files, peripherals, to in fact create an INFLATION in all businesses that could have been avoided. Downright criminal, for MS to do this. But you don't know enough about computers to realize the importance and dysfunctionality that changing an interface and eliminating backwards-compatiblity, creates.

First of all, I was only commenting on the points the original commenter made, which had nothing to do with the topics you bring up.
Second, care to elaborate a bit on the changes that cause so many problems that it is "downright criminal" (beyond a trivial fringe case or two)? You are right, I am not an expert, but I am a little suspicious of your claims just the same.

[kabilzy]

Congratulations Microsoft. You've rediscovered 8-bit color. I'm underwhelmed. What's next? A 16-bit OS?

[berock212]

[quote] WINDOWS 8 IS CLEARLY CATERING TO THE BELOW 35 GROUP. THIS LEAVES MOST OLDER PEOPLE BEHIND. BECAUSE MOST OLDER PEOPLE DON'T DO FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL STUFF OTHER THAN EMAIL I USED MY PC FOR MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS. IF YOU JUST WANT A PC TO KEEP UP WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES, SHARE PICS, LISTEN TO MUSIC, BUY AN APPLE PRODUCT. THIS LOOKS LIKE THEIR JUMPING ON THE APPLE BAND WAGON. [quote]
The caps lock is right next to the "A" button. And don't older people like things that are easy to read, like huge squares, not like small icons. And older people probably like simple computers like windows 8.

[MrHistamine]

brainout, on 23 October 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

WallyDuke, on 23 October 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

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I'm not seeing much of a Win 8 value proposition for consumers or biz and I use Windows for both. Win 7 is a good O/S. Far less maintenance than Vista. It reminds me of MS-DOS 5, the only other MS O/S that worked well. I like to customize my desktop with shortcut icons, not a limited number of tiles. A few features mentioned above are nice, or at least cute, but none are compelling. I'm moving to Apple for biz and personal. Expensive but far less time screwing around with the O/S. There is nothing above that makes Win 8 better than OS X at the O/S level. Live Tiles, Modern UI, and the rest are overlays and don't help with the major problems.

You do realize that you can, very easily by the way, pin shortcuts (to folders, files, website, etc...) to the Windows 8 start screen don't you? You can even group tiles together, so you could have a tile which contains all of your shortcuts nice and neatly. Also, I am not aware of a limit to the number of tiles you can add to the start screen, I tried to find some information on this and found none, which leads me to believe there is no reasonable limit. You do realize that the start screen continues to the right, to what I am guessing would be referred to as a second start screen, don't you? You can also quickly view all the start screens at once and then jump right to the one you want. Quite literally, almost every complaint I read about Windows 8 shows a complete lack of knowledge as to how the OS works. It's really quite sad, one should not be critical of something they have so little knowledge of. Knowing that you don't know something is far less dangerous than thinking you know something, and being wrong.

It's even sadder, that you don't know the dysfunctionality of Windows 8 because you don't do your homework. To so change how an OS works, is to disable decades of past work, files, peripherals, to in fact create an INFLATION in all businesses that could have been avoided. Downright criminal, for MS to do this.

But you don't know enough about computers to realize the importance and dysfunctionality that changing an interface and eliminating backwards-compatiblity, creates.

Businesses already have a plan; stop trying to validate your arguments with "W8 is counter-intuitive for businesses". Most of these businesses are either in the process of, or have recently upgraded to, Windows 7, and have no intention of transitioning to W8 anytime soon. For them, W8 is exactly as the article implies; a consumer product.

I recommend you talk to someone who's actually used the OS beyond a week or two, and doesn't live in technology. People will definitely have questions, but they had questions when moving from XP to W7 (or from a Windows machine, to a Mac).