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[noneatall]

Everyone can continue to hate the 800 pound gorilla in the room but that does not change the fact that Google, Android and RIM are about to start losing mobile market share. Microsoft's OS is installed on billions of computers and they have sold over 70 million Xbox consoles. Microsoft has the largest presence in the living room with Xbox than any of the previously mentioned companies. This creates a compelling case for moving from other mobile platforms. In addition, all the non apple iSheep had no other choice for a cost effective alternative to Apple besides Android but now that has changed. I can't tell you how many complaints our IT Helpdesk gets about Android phones because of all the bugs and the fact that its not a user friendly interface. Then take into account that Android is not actually free because it violates multiple Microsoft patents. All the major Android handset manufacturers pay Microsoft a fee for every Android handset sold because the OS violates multiple Microsoft patents. Microsoft made over 800 million last quarter alone from these licensing agreements with Android handset manufacturers. Google and Apple are keenly aware that the sleeping giant has reawakened This is why apple announced an unprecedented number of new products the same week Microsoft releases Windows 8 and their many associated devices. Google has plans to do the same. with events this week.

I also love the fact that all of the h8ters out there writing articles dumping on Microsoft just end up bringing even more attention to Microsoft's new platform and upcoming releases.

[jscott418]

Two big questions strike me as Windows 8 arrives. First is how PC users will embrace Windows 8 new user interface? Two, how well the Surface and other Windows 8 tablets will be accepted by users. Can they provide the Apps and functions users will expect? If Microsoft cannot get a positive reaction from most users of Windows 8. It will become just another Vista failure. With the internet these days words travel fast and bad experiences can fill forums and blogs pretty fast. Probably more then people praising how great Windows 8 is. Let's face it, Microsoft does not have the benefit of being Apple who can make a product and it be accepted before it even goes on sale.

[jscott418]

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Everyone can continue to hate the 800 pound gorilla in the room but that does not change the fact that Google, Android and RIM are about to start losing mobile market share. Microsoft's OS is installed on billions of computers and they have sold over 70 million Xbox consoles. Microsoft has the largest presence in the living room with Xbox than any of the previously mentioned companies. This creates a compelling case for moving from other mobile platforms. In addition, all the non apple iSheep had no other choice for a cost effective alternative to Apple besides Android but now that has changed. I can't tell you how many complaints our IT Helpdesk gets about Android phones because of all the bugs and the fact that its not a user friendly interface. Then take into account that Android is not actually free because it violates multiple Microsoft patents. All the major Android handset manufacturers pay Microsoft a fee for every Android handset sold because the OS violates multiple Microsoft patents. Microsoft made over 800 million last quarter alone from these licensing agreements with Android handset manufacturers. Google and Apple are keenly aware that the sleeping giant has reawakened This is why apple announced an unprecedented number of new products the same week Microsoft releases Windows 8 and their many associated devices. Google has plans to do the same. with events this week. I also love the fact that all of the h8ters out there writing articles dumping on Microsoft just end up bringing even more attention to Microsoft's new platform and upcoming releases.

I own a Windows phone and to be honest the Windows forums are filled with complaints too. That's what they are for. I can understand some of your thoughts on Android. I agree that some Android phones at first were not as polished as say a iPhone or even some Windows phones. But I think hardware and working out bugs have improved all mobile operating systems.
The problem with Windows phones is a 2% market share and its flatlined.That won't bring App developers to the platform. No matter how good the 2% say it is. Android has 60% of the mobile phone market. Apple has 35% with one phone! Unless Microsoft can find a way to get that 2% up to at least 10 to 15% market. It will be doomed no matter how well Microsoft does in other areas. Just because someone uses a PC or a Xbox does not mean they will buy a Windows phone. No study have proven it works that way. Apple found that out with the iPods, it did not significantly increase Mac sales. People judge products one by one.

[Logan6]

We PC users are not amused. Give us back aero and the start menu and no one will get hurt.

[alexN350z]

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Everyone can continue to hate the 800 pound gorilla in the room but that does not change the fact that Google, Android and RIM are about to start losing mobile market share. Microsoft's OS is installed on billions of computers and they have sold over 70 million Xbox consoles. Microsoft has the largest presence in the living room with Xbox than any of the previously mentioned companies. This creates a compelling case for moving from other mobile platforms. In addition, all the non apple iSheep had no other choice for a cost effective alternative to Apple besides Android but now that has changed. I can't tell you how many complaints our IT Helpdesk gets about Android phones because of all the bugs and the fact that its not a user friendly interface. Then take into account that Android is not actually free because it violates multiple Microsoft patents. All the major Android handset manufacturers pay Microsoft a fee for every Android handset sold because the OS violates multiple Microsoft patents. Microsoft made over 800 million last quarter alone from these licensing agreements with Android handset manufacturers. Google and Apple are keenly aware that the sleeping giant has reawakened This is why apple announced an unprecedented number of new products the same week Microsoft releases Windows 8 and their many associated devices. Google has plans to do the same. with events this week. I also love the fact that all of the h8ters out there writing articles dumping on Microsoft just end up bringing even more attention to Microsoft's new platform and upcoming releases. I own a Windows phone and to be honest the Windows forums are filled with complaints too. That's what they are for. I can understand some of your thoughts on Android. I agree that some Android phones at first were not as polished as say a iPhone or even some Windows phones. But I think hardware and working out bugs have improved all mobile operating systems. The problem with Windows phones is a 2% market share and its flatlined.That won't bring App developers to the platform. No matter how good the 2% say it is. Android has 60% of the mobile phone market. Apple has 35% with one phone! Unless Microsoft can find a way to get that 2% up to at least 10 to 15% market. It will be doomed no matter how well Microsoft does in other areas. Just because someone uses a PC or a Xbox does not mean they will buy a Windows phone. No study have proven it works that way. Apple found that out with the iPods, it did not significantly increase Mac sales. People judge products one by one.

Good Point. But two other things:

For corporate users, they will not go for Android as fragmentations issues, developing for unified windows 8 saves time and budget, and better than have a separate project just for mobile platform.

For indie developers, unified platform is more appealing than fragmented platform. Google spends more resource on how to improve and add new features to Android rather than improve development tools and address fragmentations.

[maeneak]

Speak for yourself buddy. I cant wait.
And to the author...RTM has not been available to the public since August. Release preview (RP) has been available, but it does not represent the final retail product.
This is not a hardware release either, this is an OS release and will not get the same instant fanfare that an ipad or droid-tab launch would. The effects of the windows 8 launch will not be seen for at least 6-8 months as hardware manufacturers get devices out to the public. There wont even be a great deal of people upgrading their windows 7 PCs in the next year, but as people come in contact with the OS I guarantee the ball will start to roll!

[max999]

Check this video out!

Expect a whole bunch of this!

[cepwiz]

All good points. As for app shortage... I was referred to an app called "Search Tiles". Its a great list of quality content sources (all searchable too). It opens Win8 up to all those apps you were looking for... For me...it's not about the "app" is more about content. MS should be demoing stuff like this. I didn't realize how good touch IE is.

[brainout]

max999, on 24 October 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Check this video out!

Expect a whole bunch of this!

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Cor-lvXsgx0

Thank you for this video. I'll now go in Youtube and subscribe to that guy.Here's another user who makes videos on Windows 8 so you can see LIVE, how insane it is: click here

This post has been edited by brainout: 24 October 2012 - 08:10 PM

[gmailman]

Good point: sleeping giant has reawakened
One more thing - The new Windows RT is the only OS in the world that
will be running on ARM and X86 Intel/AMD...This sets microsoft up to move with any HW improvement made on ARM and x86....Intel is coming up with Haswell next year that will move them more into mobile...micorosft with the only mobile OS that runs on x86 will benefit from this...ios and android wont...if intel does not deliver microsoft does not care and will move at the speed of ARM HW improvments....

If you know you tech you would know that microsoft is has not been sleeping ...they got the enterprise, they got patents..they got connections with every business in the world..they got cloud..they got xbox..they now got surface HW.....now everything is coming together...they were artifially forced to give other players a chance by antitrust etc....it not like google or apple like to play fair


Note; windows RT will be on any RT device and also any windows 8 device(on top of the legacy windows desktop)....

[arthurbas]

I'm a support user and I have some customer on my own, that probably are going to buy new PC's by the end of this year and the beggining of the next one. And I know I'm going to receive a few calls asking me how they do things now. MS is trying to change the computer world, and some changes are drastic, but no one knows if this is the future and 5 years later maybe we will say "OMG!! and we were complaining about this..". The world has changed, everything we have in our hands is touchable. I know for PC users is dificult to work with and to be honest, I do not get used to a touch screen PC, your arms will end of tired by the end of the day.
Now, my issue with this system for now are 2.

1.- I have it on my test laptop for like 2 months ago I think and I'm asking myself. Is everybody have to have a "Windows Live Account" to get into Windows?, What if you install W8 on a new machine or an upgrade and it does not recognize the LAN/Wireless card and you can not get internet?

2.-For POS, this programs/apps are supposed to run after windows loads, so I do not want any employee touching the "tiles", I want the POS runs after the PC Loads. Do I have to do a Login before that and then touch the "Desktop Tile" and the run the POS?

I know there are some tricky ways to do that, I've seen then, like Wutologin and then disabling the Tiles and go to the desktop inmediately, but they are sort of dificult for non thech users.

[SteveCole]

I think Microsoft wil not explain the differences between Win8 RT and Win8 for the simple reason it wants the 'RT' 'accessory' to sell. If they do explain that 'RT' is not 'true Win8' then the 'RT' will flop. Similar to how they sold Win7 phones for a year just to launch Win8 Phone OS with no backward compatibility. Zero Win7 Phones will get the Win8 Phone upgrade. M$ designed this just to make a cash grab from early adopters. Besides, Win7 Phone, Win8 Phone seem to be a very 'simplified' OS interface with endless vertical scrolling. Go back to sleep M$, the world has moved on, thankfully.

[jasoturner]

I love Microsoft for Access, SQL Server, and Visual Studio. I hate Microsoft for arbitrarily changing interface elements - such as the god awful "ribbon" interface that can't be changed back to "classic".

That said, I wish they would stop trying to chase Apple into consumer stuff like music and consumer tablets, and would focus on making good, enterprise-ready power tools related to databases and programming tools. But no, we need a tablet with colored keyboards that look like children's toys.

Really Microsoft? You want me to make this happy, tiley OS on my desktop? Why would I want to do that?

[Roncan]

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Two big questions strike me as Windows 8 arrives. First is how PC users will embrace Windows 8 new user interface? Two, how well the Surface and other Windows 8 tablets will be accepted by users. Can they provide the Apps and functions users will expect? If Microsoft cannot get a positive reaction from most users of Windows 8. It will become just another Vista failure. With the internet these days words travel fast and bad experiences can fill forums and blogs pretty fast. Probably more then people praising how great Windows 8 is. Let's face it, Microsoft does not have the benefit of being Apple who can make a product and it be accepted before it even goes on sale.

[James51]

I expect a big learning curve--and to lose some things. I think my biggest, apparently intractable problem with Windows 8 is that it won't show my monitor's native resolution. I know this doesn't bother some people, but I'm stuck with fat heads, and wideness, and I don't care for it. I'm sure there is a technical explanation, but to me it seems odd that it won't let me install the Vista Catalyst in compatibility mode, allowing me a resolution I had before.

I lost ALL of my old chess programs, that won't run in XPSP3 compatibility mode either, both Chessbase, and Convetika.

Interestingly, the only program that actually installed, and worked, was Microsoft Encarta! Hmmmm...?

I'm getting used to it, learning about it, I'll probably buy a book--and I'm glad I got it for $40 before that expired, as it surely isn't worth it otherwise. My suggestion? Buy a new computer with Windows 8 installed if you want to upgrade, and then you'll need mostly new programs. Otherwise, stick it out until you HAVE to.

[James51]

There is a big "START" on the front page--first thing I did was click on it--nothin'.

I watched that video too, and I'd agree, burying the "turn off" key is idiotic. I did find it eventually.

I loved the woman's comment. "It's colorful" she said!?