[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 November 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Bummer for you then, but Ubuntu kicks Windows's hindquarters around the block on my hardware.

Must some strange gear. Quad core i5's, with Nvidia graphics should have kicked butt as well - yet Ubuntu was still slow.

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Right, and then they came out with Windows 8. A half-assed wanna-be touch friendly interface that wishes it could be as good as Unity as a touch interface or with a mouse. Sorry, if you call that good your opinion on Ubuntu and Unity is worth less than the 1s and 0s you used up writing it.

Hmm, a touch interface that lasts for about 5 seconds in a start menu, or an entire interface touch friendly, with appropriate programs -AND a real desktop if needed.... which was the failure again? Oh yeah, the one you didn't like because you just simply don't like MS. I use what works. That isn't Ubuntu.

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I work in a corporate environment too Jim, or did you forget? Do you know how often I see Ubuntu as a possibility? Every single day.

I didn't forget. I just pointed out what should be obvious. Windows software depends on Windows. Most corporations depend on Quality Windows software.

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Must some strange gear. Quad core i5's, with Nvidia graphics should have kicked butt as well - yet Ubuntu was still slow.

Right, so basically you have a slow running Linux system that you just can't seem to get to work right, but should run well. These results don't seem to mesh with the results many others have gotten and the problem is obviously with.. Ubuntu? Yea, run with that one.

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Hmm, a touch interface that lasts for about 5 seconds in a start menu, or an entire interface touch friendly, with appropriate programs -AND a real desktop if needed.... which was the failure again? Oh yeah, the one you didn't like because you just simply don't like MS. I use what works. That isn't Ubuntu.

No, I don't like Windows 8 because it's a huge POS. It doesn't matter if Microsoft made it, or Apple made it, or Google made it. Obviously, you use something that works, just not well. Thanks, I'll stick to a real OS. Linux.

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

I didn't forget. I just pointed out what should be obvious. Windows software depends on Windows. Most corporations depend on Quality Windows software.

Quality Windows software? Oxymoron. Ubuntu and Linux in general have a great deal of opportunity in the Enterprise market. You disregarding that opportunity just because you can't make Word work correctly doesn't change that fact.

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 November 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Must some strange gear. Quad core i5's, with Nvidia graphics should have kicked butt as well - yet Ubuntu was still slow.

Right, so basically you have a slow running Linux system that you just can't seem to get to work right, but should run well. These results don't seem to mesh with the results many others have gotten and the problem is obviously with.. Ubuntu? Yea, run with that one.

ONE? No. Not hardly. That was the best case scenario I gave it. There have been about a dozen machines over the years, with Ubuntu getting progressively slower.

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No, I don't like Windows 8 because it's a huge POS. It doesn't matter if Microsoft made it, or Apple made it, or Google made it. Obviously, you use something that works, just not well. Thanks, I'll stick to a real OS. Linux.

Based on what exactly? The consistent touch interface? The consistent desktop interface? Or is it the fact that Microsoft managed to release an OS that does everything? Oh - maybe it is because Windows 8 got rid of the flashy effects in order to produce a light desktop environment?

You might want to redefine "real" to something that A. works, B. Works well. And C. Works CONSISTENTLY.

Consistency is something Linux cannot claim - of any flavor. Can you get it to work on your laptop? Good quest, what is in there? Nvidia optimus: NO GO. Non-Standard sound card: NO GO. And so on... It is pathetic really, how people will try to defend that which has no defense.

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Quality Windows software? Oxymoron. Ubuntu and Linux in general have a great deal of opportunity in the Enterprise market. You disregarding that opportunity just because you can't make Word work correctly doesn't change that fact.

You get what you pay for. Lesson learned in life, and yes it applies to software.

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

ONE? No. Not hardly. That was the best case scenario I gave it. There have been about a dozen machines over the years, with Ubuntu getting progressively slower.

Besides Ubuntu, what's the one consistent factor in all of those machines?

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Based on what exactly? The consistent touch interface? The consistent desktop interface? Or is it the fact that Microsoft managed to release an OS that does everything? Oh - maybe it is because Windows 8 got rid of the flashy effects in order to produce a light desktop environment?

You might want to refrain from using the word "consistent" when talking about Windows 8. Ever.

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

You might want to redefine "real" to something that A. works, B. Works well. And C. Works CONSISTENTLY.

If that were the definition of "real", there's never been a Windows version that would qualify as a "real" OS.

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

You get what you pay for. Lesson learned in life, and yes it applies to software.

It's a cute idea, but tremendously naive. I remember a professor I had back in college had a little quote from Albert Einstein hanging on his door. “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” In a perfect world, you'd get what you pay for. In reality, a fool and his money are soon parted.

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[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 November 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Besides Ubuntu, what's the one consistent factor in all of those machines?

Windows runs like a champ on all of them.

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You might want to refrain from using the word "consistent" when talking about Windows 8. Ever.

Considering the comparison - it fits.

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If that were the definition of "real", there's never been a Windows version that would qualify as a "real" OS.

Then you need a 'real' dictionary as well.

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It's a cute idea, but tremendously naive. I remember a professor I had back in college had a little quote from Albert Einstein hanging on his door. “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” In a perfect world, you'd get what you pay for. In reality, a fool and his money are soon parted.

Interesting how you feel it is naive to use software that 95% of the world uses. It is cute how you think that Linux in its 1% market share make up for real workloads.

Seems like the only naivety to be had around here, belongs to you.

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 November 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Besides Ubuntu, what's the one consistent factor in all of those machines?

Windows runs like a champ on all of them.

You didn't answer the question. Are you afraid of the answer?

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Considering the comparison - it fits.

Uh no, no it doesn't. Linux has many different desktop environments, but you'd be hard pressed to find any that are quite so schizophrenic as Windows 8.

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 November 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

It's a cute idea, but tremendously naive. I remember a professor I had back in college had a little quote from Albert Einstein hanging on his door. “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” In a perfect world, you'd get what you pay for. In reality, a fool and his money are soon parted.

Interesting how you feel it is naive to use software that 95% of the world uses. It is cute how you think that Linux in its 1% market share make up for real workloads.

Seems like the only naivety to be had around here, belongs to you.

What I feel is that the market share of the OS isn't the least bit relevant to how good it is. If you're claiming otherwise, you're more naive than I thought.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 November 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Besides Ubuntu, what's the one consistent factor in all of those machines?

Windows runs like a champ on all of them.

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You might want to refrain from using the word "consistent" when talking about Windows 8. Ever.

Considering the comparison - it fits.

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If that were the definition of "real", there's never been a Windows version that would qualify as a "real" OS.

Then you need a 'real' dictionary as well.

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It's a cute idea, but tremendously naive. I remember a professor I had back in college had a little quote from Albert Einstein hanging on his door. “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” In a perfect world, you'd get what you pay for. In reality, a fool and his money are soon parted.

Interesting how you feel it is naive to use software that 95% of the world uses. It is cute how you think that Linux in its 1% market share make up for real workloads.

Seems like the only naivety to be had around here, belongs to you.

Yep, so that's why it's VERY common on servers, which need to be MORE reliable than a typical PC, right? Because those aren't real workloads?

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 November 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

You didn't answer the question. Are you afraid of the answer?

Sure I did. All of them have that one thing in common. They all run Windows well.

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Uh no, no it doesn't. Linux has many different desktop environments, but you'd be hard pressed to find any that are quite so schizophrenic as Windows 8.

Must have been a while since you touched Ubuntu then.

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What I feel is that the market share of the OS isn't the least bit relevant to how good it is. If you're claiming otherwise, you're more naive than I thought.

The market shows where the work is being done. If you really needed thst spelled out, you need to get back to your kinergartden class.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 18 November 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Yep, so that's why it's VERY common on servers, which need to be MORE reliable than a typical PC, right? Because those aren't real workloads?

And how many people use a web server interface to do real work? Hmmm... at my place of work, we still use Windows pcs.... hmmm. So do most places of work. The servers you quote make up a minority of gear on the market. And those stats only apply to web servers and super computers. Again not where most work is being done.

Care to try again?

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Sure I did. All of them have that one thing in common. They all run Windows well.

Hm, so basically what you're saying is that you're capable of making Windows well work on these systems, but not Linux. Seems like it's more likely the cause of the problem is with you rather than the OS.

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Must have been a while since you touched Ubuntu then.

Seems like kind of a stupid thing to say since I'm using it right now.

waldojim, on 18 November 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

The market shows where the work is being done.

No it doesn't Jim. That's obvious when you look at markets like web browsers. IE6 ruled the market for years and was stagnant and virtually useless. A Microsoft monopoly was the only reason it took over the market, and the only reason it was able to maintain that market. The work wasn't being done there. Quite the contrary. Similarly, the work isn't being done in Windows. Windows is a stagnant, bloated mess of an OS that only occupies the position it does because of a Microsoft monopoly. The recent changes Microsoft has made to Windows are only being made to try to counter Android and iOS. Well, let's be honest. To try to counter Android. Microsoft doesn't really know how to be innovative, which is why Windows 8 is such a disaster.

[TommyONeilln4z]

The comments section here has been more interesting than the article itself. xD

Anyway, I've gotta side with linuxrants7xpg on this one. Ubuntu 12.04 is way better than any version of Windows by a LONG shot. I've converted almost all my friends to it, and they say it's great. I can never see myself going back to Windows. Ubuntu 12.04 is fast, it's free, it can't get viruses, it doesn't need to be defragged, it has free office software that's very nicely compatible with MS Office documents, it's got probably the best web browser you would need, it's social-networking ready, and it's soon going to be a viable gaming platform.

Windows 8 on the other hand is a catastrophe. I've actually gotten the BSOD 4 separate times in the short time that I spent with it on my laptop. I can't even describe how laughable that is, and the fact that you STILL need to defragment Windows 8 after 20 freaking years. Linux and even Mac OSX filesystems are such that they don't fragment. Also, here are some interesting videos which I think are very relevant to the issue:

How Real People will Use Windows 8:
https://www.youtube....h?v=v4boTbv9_nU

A User's First Time with Linux Ubuntu
https://www.youtube....h?v=ltE_ekc8kE8

Here's another one:

My dad tries Windows 8 for the first time:
https://www.youtube....h?v=ltE_ekc8kE8

My dad tries Ubuntu 12.04 beta for the first time:
https://www.youtube....h?v=Qp2Sqe-Oa5g

And one last one for good measure:

Mom tries Windows 8:
https://www.youtube....h?v=1ujmDrcKWo8

Mom tries Ubuntu:
https://www.youtube....channel&list=UL

I think the videos speak for themselves. You cannot argue with what you see.

[TommyONeilln4z]

I made an error with one of the links in my post, so I just wanted to correct it:

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Here's another one:

My dad tries Windows 8 for the first time:

https://www.youtube....channel&list=UL

My dad tries Ubuntu 12.04 beta for the first time:

https://www.youtube....h?v=Qp2Sqe-Oa5g

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Just to reiterate, I believe Ubuntu and Linux has large potential in the future, and it could very well overthrow Microsoft's monopoly.

[GonzaloVC]

Amazingly cheap and I bet it works!!