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Vista Versus Win7 pros and cons

#21 User is offline   smax013 

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

View Postorlbuckeye, on 20 December 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

I don't think the biggest problem with Vista wasn't is was released to fast. I think it had more to do with the team members were retasked to work on security in XP which was part of XP SP2. The devlopment of Vista statrted in 2001 before XP was released. Vista was finally released in 2006. The biggest problem with Vista was older hardware drivers support was non0existant and too many devices wouldn't work with Vista. Since Vista MS has done way better with allowing older computer to run the new OS's.

Even now if you buy a mach from say Acer or Lenova and a new OS comes out they don't update the driver for the new OS. That means they basically only support the computer with the OS it comes with unless you buy the computer a few months before the new OS is released.


I think the biggest problem with Vista was the Microsoft let themselves be convinced by the computer manufacturer to lower the minimum requirements to low for what Vista really needed in order to function. There were way too many computers sold with hardware specs that really did not "feed" Vista properly. So, as a result, many people felt that Vista performed poorly. There were too many Vista computers sold with 2 GB (or amazingly even less) of RAM.

In addition, the original version of Vista was rather doggish. The release of SP1, Vista improved dramatically.

Vista has run just fine on my desktop for years...but it was a C2D 3.0 GHz with 4 GB of RAM and an 8800GT. Vista just did not work well with only 2 GB of RAM.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:52 AM

I think 2GB wasn't too bad. However, a friend had a machine with an Athlon x2 and 1GB (minus some for onboard graphics I think), which was incredibly slow. Upgrading that to 3GB (it was a desktop and had 4 RAM slots) REALLY helped.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:27 PM

View PostLiveBrianD, on 31 December 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

I think 2GB wasn't too bad. However, a friend had a machine with an Athlon x2 and 1GB (minus some for onboard graphics I think), which was incredibly slow. Upgrading that to 3GB (it was a desktop and had 4 RAM slots) REALLY helped.


2 GB (and an underpowered processor) on Vista (with no SPs) and all the Vista "bells and whistles" turned on (i.e. Aero, etc) plus integrated graphics (as is the case with most "cost efficient" computers) on a "manufactured computer" (i.e. one from a retail store like Best Buy...which likely means a lovely collection of bloatware that a run of the mill user doesn't know how to remove or just does not bother to remove) is rather doggish, but it is livable (if you like to torture yourself). Add in some nice anti-virus software and other "stuff" that people tend to load (i.e. picture service applications that tend to run upon boot up) and it is far from ideal.

SP1 for Vista made it more tolerable, but it was still no that good.

To me, you want at least 3 GB with Vista, but 4 GB would be better.

1 GB of RAM with Vista is unbearable (to me). If we are going that route, then I would rather have gone back to my PIII running Windows XP. :)
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

To add to what smax has said, I have Vista in a Machine running a Core i7 960 & 6 Gb of ram. It still has issues. SP2 did a lot to make it tolerable. The biggest issues I have had was in the booting. I have both a Laptop and the aforementioned Desktop with Vista and had issues with the boot up on both where I had to reboot. Wil probably move both to Win. 7.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:23 PM

View Postgiliakareo, on 04 January 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

it's all the rage now to use almost no contrast between borders, and use thin gray Arial text so the screen is unreadablehttp://www.dvxs.info/a11.jpghttp://www.dvxs.info/k2.jpg

Yeah, I guess that's part of the new swiping experience, since now you have to hold your tablet in both hands. :) Drives me nuts. I learn to quickly read and avoid the sites; so much for any advertisers getting my eye. It's Youtube all over, really annoying. PC Mag and ZDnet have adopted it, too. So read, dump, go.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

UPDATE: Speech recognition in Windows 7 is workable; unlike XP and maybe Vista, the speech recognition tutorial teaches the MACHINE how your voice works. Skip that tutorial, and you'll tear your hair out. Do the tutorial, and you'll be surprised how fast the machine learns from you.

So think: you can cut onions while you tell the machine to open your browser and go to a website, looking up de vez en cuando at the links, telling it what links to choose. You can thus download something without using your hands, have it go to Youtube and search or play a video you want to watch, etc. Or, you can be looking at back-and-forth at the machines. Or -- and this is a real issue for me -- say you share one wireless keyboard between two machines. To switch between them, you have to press the receiver on the other machine first, then the green buttons on mouse and keyboard (which sometimes doesn't cut off the first machine). So what if instead, one of the machines was speech enabled, so you can be working on one, and telling the other what to do?

I wish I had this feature when my arm was sprained so badly, it hung limp at my side. Sure, typing was therapy but it also prolonged healing time. The feature is still limited in many ways -- it gets confused -- but some things work well right outta da box. Like, telling it to open and close windows, load programs or browsers, click on links, etc.

Dictation is a bit glitchy, but over time the machine learns your speech pattern. The quality of your microphone also matters much. I used Logitech webcam mikes built into the cams, and Dell's built-in laptop webcams. So you'd expect some misunderstanding. It's far better than I thought, though. I only learned of it two days ago, only started using it in earnest yesterday on three Win7 machines. You set it up to turn on when Windows boots, and then it waits for you to say 'start listening'. There is a certain vocabulary to learn, but it's not hard. I downloaded Chrome this way, went to Youtube, dictated a comment to one of my viewers, went to Amazon and had it page through my shopping list, selecting which of the pages to use ('21-30' spoken with 'dash' or 'hyphen' makes the machine skip to that part of your list). Also made it create a grocery list and a computer to-do list in Wordpad. The Dell laptops worked remarkably well, but so did the Logitech-webcam mike for the Optiplex 780. Big surprise.

So three things make Win7 worth buying, though not worth giving up XP to get: 1) DVD writing, 2) Moviemaker 6.0 and Media Center, 3) Voice recognition. Thus the disadvantage of its schizoid file management in Explorer, is somewhat obviated. And the interface is useful, if you're willing to put up with only having one quick/launch taskbar. But again, you can just TELL the machine what program you want, like 'Open Wordpad', and it understands. Whew.

Now if only MS would have had the foresight to make the Speech Recognition program easy to pin to Start menu and taskbar. Alas, they do not give you an easy way to do that. You have to search for the program in All Programs, and find out which of the listings allows you to right-click and select Properties. Then, click on the button which takes you to the file location (I forget where that is in Properties), and in the location locate the program; then right click on the program and create shortcut.

That's not the end of it. A special command launches the program, not the exe file. So you have to look in Properties of the first version you found which allowed you to even SEE Properties, and COPY the command line and the 'Start In' line to the OTHER Properties for the shortcut you just created. Whew. Finally you have a shortcut you can pin to Start Menu or Desktop, or drag and drop to Quick Launch.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:23 AM

WINDOWS SYSTEM IMAGE BACKUP in Win7 is a joke. Took me three hours to get what Win7 wanted. First I wanted to use my flash drive, and it didn't tell me flash couldn't be used, but only that I had to format the pen drive into NTFS. Took me forever to do that. Then of course it didn't work, since it was a flash drive. So then after more delay and finding some free external drive, Windows wouldn't allow me to specify a folder for storing the image. So then it was a question of whether I had to first back up the drive, whether all the files on it would be erased. Turns out they weren't, but Windows insisted on giving the backup its own folder name and own subfolder name of an arcane nature so you don't know what it is.

WHO RUNS THAT COMPANY? 30 years we've had good backup software by third party vendors, yet MS has never learned even the basics? How much loss of time have we all suffered due to bad design parameters and ever-changing interface? I tell you, if I were in my 20's now, I'd be learning Linux, because at least you can configure it without all this mediocre paranoia from Redmond.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

FINAL VERDICT: Windows 7 has no day job. At best, it's useful for a few things when needed, like movie making and DVD formatting, websurfing. But forget file management. You can't even replace Normal.dot in MS Office, since the folder in which it resides, is LOCKED, never mind you have Administrator privileges. So if you have a version of MS Office which is keyed to ASIAN market, well good luck getting rid of the grid and Asian stuff which interferes with your Western text formatting. No way to tell how to get rid of those defaults.

Can't find files, search is terrible, endless problems trying to navigate through folders.

So then: dual boot with Linux or at least use Live Linux of some kind, to get at those locked folders. Else, stay on XP and dual-boot with Linux for the day when you can't easily surf using XP. That problem's already started, over the last few weeks.

Fed up.
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