[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 02 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

In other words, you read what you wanted to:

No, really I didn't. That would be what you've done.

http://ubuntuforums..../t-1930333.html -> Closed without resolution. No proof that this was actually an issue with Linux/NTFS.
http://askubuntu.com...n-windows-boots -> Problem "fixed" by reformatting FAT32. No real facts to say that this was required, just that the reformat fixed the issue. Simply reformatting to NFTS may have fixed the problem too. We don't know.
http://superuser.com...ntfs-filesystem -> No actual solution here, or nailing down of the real problem. Just a bunch of guesses on what may be the issue.

Your examples aren't really examples. You just really want to find something to tie this issue to Linux, and you've got no proof (not even a reasonable assumption really) that Linux was the cause. You can't even come up with a verifiable case of Linux/NTFS file corruption.

This post has been edited by linuxrants7xpg: 02 April 2013 - 03:22 PM

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 02 April 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

waldojim, on 02 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

In other words, you read what you wanted to:

No, really I didn't. That would be what you've done.

http://ubuntuforums..../t-1930333.html -> Closed without resolution. No proof that this was actually an issue with Linux/NTFS.

In other words "it doesn't count because that thread was closed, and someone else had to deal with it"...
Yeah.... that makes sense.

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http://askubuntu.com...n-windows-boots -> Problem "fixed" by reformatting FAT32. No real facts to say that this was required, just that the reformat fixed the issue. Simply reformatting to NFTS may have fixed the problem too. We don't know.

He dealt with the situation the same way I did. Quit pissing with it and find something that works.

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http://superuser.com...ntfs-filesystem -> No actual solution here, or nailing down of the real problem. Just a bunch of guesses on what may be the issue.

Your examples aren't really examples. You just really want to find something to tie this issue to Linux, and you've got no proof (not even a reasonable assumption really) that Linux was the cause. You can't even come up with a verifiable case of Linux/NTFS file corruption.

Actually, it appears that you instead choose to ignore the problem because you feel you have the right to. Which is fine, you do have that right. However, the facts speak for themselves. In this case, you choose to ignore the fact that these people are not dealing with Windows hibernation, dealing with corrupted NTFS file systems, and moving away from NTFS under LINUX fixes the problem for these users.

I never bothered opening up a support case either. It wasn't worth my time. Not when it was easier to simply avoid the problem. Your reasoning is flawed, and you are stretching for excuses to not admit a fault. It is there, get over it.

And YOU are the one who claimed "Most seem to be issues where the Windows partition is written to when it's been hybernated.". I read the actual trouble descriptions. YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT take the time to do the same. This is obvious because of the "No I don't use hibernate in Windows" or "this happens during normal reboot cycles" or even "it is corrupting my USB drives".

Try reading before making stupid comments like that, and others won't have anything to come back on.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 02 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 02 April 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 02 April 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

waldojim, on 02 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

In other words, you read what you wanted to:

No, really I didn't. That would be what you've done.

http://ubuntuforums..../t-1930333.html -> Closed without resolution. No proof that this was actually an issue with Linux/NTFS.

In other words "it doesn't count because that thread was closed, and someone else had to deal with it"...
Yeah.... that makes sense.

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http://askubuntu.com...n-windows-boots -> Problem "fixed" by reformatting FAT32. No real facts to say that this was required, just that the reformat fixed the issue. Simply reformatting to NFTS may have fixed the problem too. We don't know.

He dealt with the situation the same way I did. Quit pissing with it and find something that works.

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http://superuser.com...ntfs-filesystem -> No actual solution here, or nailing down of the real problem. Just a bunch of guesses on what may be the issue.

Your examples aren't really examples. You just really want to find something to tie this issue to Linux, and you've got no proof (not even a reasonable assumption really) that Linux was the cause. You can't even come up with a verifiable case of Linux/NTFS file corruption.

Actually, it appears that you instead choose to ignore the problem because you feel you have the right to. Which is fine, you do have that right. However, the facts speak for themselves. In this case, you choose to ignore the fact that these people are not dealing with Windows hibernation, dealing with corrupted NTFS file systems, and moving away from NTFS under LINUX fixes the problem for these users.

I never bothered opening up a support case either. It wasn't worth my time. Not when it was easier to simply avoid the problem. Your reasoning is flawed, and you are stretching for excuses to not admit a fault. It is there, get over it.

And YOU are the one who claimed "Most seem to be issues where the Windows partition is written to when it's been hybernated.". I read the actual trouble descriptions. YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT take the time to do the same. This is obvious because of the "No I don't use hibernate in Windows" or "this happens during normal reboot cycles" or even "it is corrupting my USB drives".

Try reading before making stupid comments like that, and others won't have anything to come back on.

Blah blah blah. More of you reading into other people's issues what you want to see, and not what's actually there. Not a single one of those issues linked was narrowed down to Linux corrupting NTFS. Not one. Let's skip to the end of this where you insult me, I laugh and you, and you give up. It'll save us both some time.

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 02 April 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Blah blah blah. More of you reading into other people's issues what you want to see, and not what's actually there. Not a single one of those issues linked was narrowed down to Linux corrupting NTFS. Not one. Let's skip to the end of this where you insult me, I laugh and you, and you give up. It'll save us both some time.

Well, lets see, I at least too the time to read, and see what the issue was NOT. You immediately jumped to conclusions based on the two sentences you glanced through.

Call it how you will. Which is more insulting, not reading what is put before you, or being called out for not doing so?

[linuxrants7xpg]

Looks like we're right on schedule. This is where I laugh at you.

waldojim, on 02 April 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 02 April 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Blah blah blah. More of you reading into other people's issues what you want to see, and not what's actually there. Not a single one of those issues linked was narrowed down to Linux corrupting NTFS. Not one. Let's skip to the end of this where you insult me, I laugh and you, and you give up. It'll save us both some time.

Well, lets see, I at least too the time to read, and see what the issue was NOT. You immediately jumped to conclusions based on the two sentences you glanced through.

Yea, sure you did. Your thorough reading of each linked thread was why your original list "mysteriously" shrunk from 5 items to 3, and why one of those items that you linked to as an example of why to not trust Linux to write NTFS turned out to be a problem with the SATA/USB dock being used. Yea, you definitely took the time to read to see what the issue was not.

waldojim, on 02 April 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

Call it how you will. Which is more insulting, not reading what is put before you, or being called out for not doing so?

Considering how hilarious your attempt to "call me out" was, I can't say that I was insulted by it. We are already to the stage where I laugh at you though.

Let's see if I can summarize this. A commenter claims that Linux has worked well for him because it can even access his files on the Windows partition despite the fact that Windows doesn't boot anymore. You jump to a conclusion with absolutely no proof. I point out that your conclusion is highly unlikely. You provide a list of links, none of which prove your claim and some of which obvious don't. You claim that I didn't read your links, and provide snippets from those links that still don't prove your claim. I get bored.

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 02 April 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Yea, sure you did. Your thorough reading of each linked thread was why your original list "mysteriously" shrunk from 5 items to 3, and why one of those items that you linked to as an example of why to not trust Linux to write NTFS turned out to be a problem with the SATA/USB dock being used. Yea, you definitely took the time to read to see what the issue was not.

No mystery about it at all.

I only have a small block of time to waste trying to read to you.

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Considering how hilarious your attempt to "call me out" was, I can't say that I was insulted by it. We are already to the stage where I laugh at you though.

Let's see if I can summarize this. A commenter claims that Linux has worked well for him because it can even access his files on the Windows partition despite the fact that Windows doesn't boot anymore. You jump to a conclusion with absolutely no proof. I point out that your conclusion is highly unlikely. You provide a list of links, none of which prove your claim and some of which obvious don't. You claim that I didn't read your links, and provide snippets from those links that still don't prove your claim. I get bored.

Linux tends to corrupt the filesystem to a point that Windows can no longer work with it. As I recall, this is because only a small portion of the filesystem data is actually read by Linux. That is also largely the cause of the problems caused by Linux.

Considering the number of times I have personally seen Linux corrupt NTFS filesystems, that is more likely the truth than "Windows just died of its own accord." I have an NTFS filesystem across a 3 drive raid over 4 years old that can prove that Windows doesn't just randomly kill its own filesystem. Even under 24/7/365 usage.

Claim boredom all you want, truth is you are lazy. You are too lazy to understand what is posted in front of you, too lazy to do research, and too lazy to read when provided information.

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 02 April 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 02 April 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Yea, sure you did. Your thorough reading of each linked thread was why your original list "mysteriously" shrunk from 5 items to 3, and why one of those items that you linked to as an example of why to not trust Linux to write NTFS turned out to be a problem with the SATA/USB dock being used. Yea, you definitely took the time to read to see what the issue was not.

No mystery about it at all.

I only have a small block of time to waste trying to read to you.

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Considering how hilarious your attempt to "call me out" was, I can't say that I was insulted by it. We are already to the stage where I laugh at you though.

Let's see if I can summarize this. A commenter claims that Linux has worked well for him because it can even access his files on the Windows partition despite the fact that Windows doesn't boot anymore. You jump to a conclusion with absolutely no proof. I point out that your conclusion is highly unlikely. You provide a list of links, none of which prove your claim and some of which obvious don't. You claim that I didn't read your links, and provide snippets from those links that still don't prove your claim. I get bored.

Linux tends to corrupt the filesystem to a point that Windows can no longer work with it. As I recall, this is because only a small portion of the filesystem data is actually read by Linux. That is also largely the cause of the problems caused by Linux.

Considering the number of times I have personally seen Linux corrupt NTFS filesystems, that is more likely the truth than "Windows just died of its own accord." I have an NTFS filesystem across a 3 drive raid over 4 years old that can prove that Windows doesn't just randomly kill its own filesystem. Even under 24/7/365 usage.

Claim boredom all you want, truth is you are lazy. You are too lazy to understand what is posted in front of you, too lazy to do research, and too lazy to read when provided information.

Now you're just repeating your unsupported claims as if repetition will somehow make your claims more true. Yep, we're definitely in name calling/laughing stage. Pure fact of the matter, you've got nothing to offer except name calling. Unless you've got some actual proof, your'e done.

This post has been edited by linuxrants7xpg: 02 April 2013 - 07:27 PM

[Ronc2]

I came here looking for reliable, solid, information about Linux because I'm almost ready to migrate from Windows, and have no faith that Redmond will ever improve upon XP.

However, I'm somewhat disappointed in what I find in this forum.

Is there a Linux forum somewhere that might conceivably be of help to a Linux wannabe like myself, or am I left with nothing but this pissing contest between "waldojim" and "linuxrants7xpg"?

I've just slogged through pages and pages of their dialogue, -- made even longer and more painful because they don't seem to know how to trim redundant material, but continue to post the entire thread with each response -- and I found nothing in all of it that was of the least use to me in learning about the various flavors of Linux.

Is this forum not moderated? Can someone direct me to a forum that isn't just a flame war in the manner of the newsgroups of the bad old days?

[linuxrants7xpg]

Ronc2, on 09 April 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Is there a Linux forum somewhere that might conceivably be of help to a Linux wannabe like myself, or am I left with nothing but this pissing contest between "waldojim" and "linuxrants7xpg"?

Try going to http://forums.pcworld.com/. The Linux forum is right there for all to see. I'm assuming you would have found that yourself if you'd have bothered to look instead of spending five paragraphs whining.

[LinuxBrandon]

Ronc2, on 09 April 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

I came here looking for reliable, solid, information about Linux because I'm almost ready to migrate from Windows, and have no faith that Redmond will ever improve upon XP.

However, I'm somewhat disappointed in what I find in this forum.

Is there a Linux forum somewhere that might conceivably be of help to a Linux wannabe like myself, or am I left with nothing but this pissing contest between "waldojim" and "linuxrants7xpg"?

I've just slogged through pages and pages of their dialogue, -- made even longer and more painful because they don't seem to know how to trim redundant material, but continue to post the entire thread with each response -- and I found nothing in all of it that was of the least use to me in learning about the various flavors of Linux.

Is this forum not moderated? Can someone direct me to a forum that isn't just a flame war in the manner of the newsgroups of the bad old days?

Hi Ronc2,

There are a variety of forums, websites, and articles dedicated to providing information and assistance with migrating from Windows to Linux and vice versa. Having said that, if you were willing to type 'windows to linux migration' in a google search bar, you would have found tons of them, and it would have been much faster than typing that long post. If you are unable or unwilling to use search engines to find the information you need, Linux may not be the best option for you. Also, your 5 paragraph post could very easily be trimmed to one line and made much less redundant.

Have a great day!
-LinuxBrandon

This post has been edited by LinuxBrandon: 09 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

[dragon69]

We here at the " waldojim " show are just getting used to ignoring his post and now if we could teach " linuxrants7xpg " not too feed the " waldojim " ... just maybe we can start learning more stuff everyday !

There are a variety of forums, websites, and articles dedicated to providing information and assistance with migrating from Windows to Linux and vice versa. Having said that, if you were willing to type 'windows to linux migration' in a google search bar, you would have found tons of them, and it would have been much faster than typing that long post. If you are unable or unwilling to use search engines to find the information you need, Linux may not be the best option for you. Also, your 5 paragraph post could very easily be trimmed to one line and made much less redundant.

Have a great day!

This post has been edited by dragon69: 09 April 2013 - 04:38 PM

[dragon69]

here is a couple of articles

http://www.linux.com...migration-guide

http://www.computerw..._stuff_with_you

and if you have already picked a distro to use then stick with there forums as they will be the most use to you in the long run !

for ubuntu try starting here

http://ubuntuforums....d.php?t=2015237

for linux mint try starting here

http://forums.linuxm...p?f=42&t=112021

[linuxrants7xpg]

dragon69, on 09 April 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

We here at the " waldojim " show are just getting used to ignoring his post and now if we could teach " linuxrants7xpg " not too feed the " waldojim " ... just maybe we can start learning more stuff everyday !

There are a variety of forums, websites, and articles dedicated to providing information and assistance with migrating from Windows to Linux and vice versa. Having said that, if you were willing to type 'windows to linux migration' in a google search bar, you would have found tons of them, and it would have been much faster than typing that long post. If you are unable or unwilling to use search engines to find the information you need, Linux may not be the best option for you. Also, your 5 paragraph post could very easily be trimmed to one line and made much less redundant.

Have a great day!

That was weird how you quoted LinuxBrandon but removed his name from the bottom, and put your own comment before his.

[LiveBrianD]

linuxrants7xpg, on 09 April 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

dragon69, on 09 April 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

We here at the " waldojim " show are just getting used to ignoring his post and now if we could teach " linuxrants7xpg " not too feed the " waldojim " ... just maybe we can start learning more stuff everyday !

There are a variety of forums, websites, and articles dedicated to providing information and assistance with migrating from Windows to Linux and vice versa. Having said that, if you were willing to type 'windows to linux migration' in a google search bar, you would have found tons of them, and it would have been much faster than typing that long post. If you are unable or unwilling to use search engines to find the information you need, Linux may not be the best option for you. Also, your 5 paragraph post could very easily be trimmed to one line and made much less redundant.

Have a great day!

That was weird how you quoted LinuxBrandon but removed his name from the bottom, and put your own comment before his.

I've noticed that quotes always seem to go a bit screwy when responding from the article page...

[linuxrants7xpg]

LiveBrianD, on 09 April 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

I've noticed that quotes always seem to go a bit screwy when responding from the article page...

That would explain it. I've rarely posted a reply from the article page, and I don't think I've ever tried replying to another commenter.

[LiveBrianD]

linuxrants7xpg, on 09 April 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 09 April 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

I've noticed that quotes always seem to go a bit screwy when responding from the article page...

That would explain it. I've rarely posted a reply from the article page, and I don't think I've ever tried replying to another commenter.

Nor do I.

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 09 April 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

That was weird how you quoted LinuxBrandon but removed his name from the bottom, and put your own comment before his.

I was thinking the same thing.

[dragon69]

LiveBrianD, on 09 April 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 09 April 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

dragon69, on 09 April 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

We here at the " waldojim " show are just getting used to ignoring his post and now if we could teach " linuxrants7xpg " not too feed the " waldojim " ... just maybe we can start learning more stuff everyday !

There are a variety of forums, websites, and articles dedicated to providing information and assistance with migrating from Windows to Linux and vice versa. Having said that, if you were willing to type 'windows to linux migration' in a google search bar, you would have found tons of them, and it would have been much faster than typing that long post. If you are unable or unwilling to use search engines to find the information you need, Linux may not be the best option for you. Also, your 5 paragraph post could very easily be trimmed to one line and made much less redundant.

Have a great day!

That was weird how you quoted LinuxBrandon but removed his name from the bottom, and put your own comment before his.

I've noticed that quotes always seem to go a bit screwy when responding from the article page...

yeah it did not show up fully so i edited out all the previous quotes and just left my comment !

[FedoraLinuxKid]

I think that with Ubuntu 12.10 and the newer 13.04 steam on Linux and much much more Ubuntu could become the prodominate market leader. The IT admins at my school are considering between either getting new computer and running Windows 8 (As the Computers @ school run XP.) Or installing Ubuntu on to the computers thus saving money. We recently had an assembly put on by the IT Admins about it and they gave us voting slips and we chose between Ubuntu (to save money) or Windows 8 and new computers. (Which most people voted NO on.) So it looks like Ubuntu will be the schools main OS next school year starting with 13.04

[kayappuram]

You have 10 reasons. But I have only one reason to install windows 8 ie my old laptop hang on installation on Ubuntu even from live cd, but windows 8 work smartly, think yourself