[chosenson]

karthiq, on 29 November 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

would it kill MS and intel if they put in a clover trail? It makes it far more affordable.

I'd bet the OEM's will offer some with clovertrail.

Hey Guys, options is what makes pc's and Windows great. How about it?

[conix67]

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Microsoft's Surface Pro simply put is DOA! yeah right... any reason?

Just as heavy as a laptop, just as short a battery life as a laptop, just as expensive as a laptop, just as big as a laptop, not as convenient as a laptop for productivity use. Why do I need the Surface pro over a laptop? Touch screen interface? No thanks. Basically, it does not have any of the ingredients that made today's tablet PCs successful (except the touch screen interface)

[artzy65]

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You can't compare the above tablet to an apple iPad. The Surface with Win8 Pro is running a full fledged Win8 operating system! Not a scaled down OS like iOS. Now if Apple had a tablet that was running OSX, THEN maybe you could compare the two but until then APPLE has some catching up to do.

I don't compare my iPad with any full-OS device. Why do people want to serious work, like graphics, on a 10.6" screen?

Please.

[nonseq]

metabolic, on 29 November 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

You can't compare the above tablet to an apple iPad. The Surface with Win8 Pro is running a full fledged Win8 operating system! Not a scaled down OS like iOS. Now if Apple had a tablet that was running OSX, THEN maybe you could compare the two but until then APPLE has some catching up to do.

Catching up? There have been full on windows tablets on the market for nearly a decade with only marginal adoption. The idea that a tablet with a full operating system is superior has not been supported by consumers. Why? I suspect it's because consumers don't want a tablet that is a full blown PC... the majority just want a tablet. I had high hopes (which may still be realized) that MS would finally understand this very basic principal and build the best tablet OS possible and not continue to harbor the illusion that a 10" tablet is suitable, even desirable, for work. Until they do, they will languish.

[CORVETTEZR90]

i cant wait for the pro to come out. a portable device that runs full programs now that i can use......i have a xoom and i have an ipad......neither of which i could run anything that meant productivity....they were ok for games....the internet etc but i need something that can run a full blown access program that is portable......the more competition the better

[NAGUNDO]

When I want a touch tablet, I detach keyboard.
When I want to write word,excel,outlook I attach keyboard.
When I want to show show presentation on projector or plasma I attach hdmi.
When I want to attach peripheral I plug into usb3/2.
All the while sitting in front room, whilst main laptop in office.
I will buy one,so will thousands of others.
DOA is just lazy headliner nonsense.

[jvsnow]

Release it all ready!! Productivity and efficiency finally coming together in ONE device. It doesn't compare with anything Apple did... it's better because it replaces a heavy must-have laptop and lots of other stuff too that I resisted buying just because it was new and cool. I'm irritated they waited this long to release and gave us a watered down RT version first.

[kangaroo303]

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Oh, I forgot, for all those thinking they'll be playing those cool games, remember it just has Intel 4000 graphics sharing that 4GB RAM. Something to look forwards to.

The Intel HD Graphics 4000 can run Far Cry 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Dishonored, Fifa 13 , Borderlands 2, Counter-Strike: GO, and thats just to name a few games from 2012.

It can run StarCraft 2 at an average 117 fps. 'Nuff said.

[waldojim]

kangaroo303, on 11 December 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

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Oh, I forgot, for all those thinking they'll be playing those cool games, remember it just has Intel 4000 graphics sharing that 4GB RAM. Something to look forwards to.

The Intel HD Graphics 4000 can run Far Cry 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Dishonored, Fifa 13 , Borderlands 2, Counter-Strike: GO, and thats just to name a few games from 2012.

It can run StarCraft 2 at an average 117 fps. 'Nuff said.

Running a game at the lowest possible resolution and settings is not my idea of fun.

[abfromnj]

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metabolic said
You can't compare the above tablet to an apple iPad. The Surface with Win8 Pro is running a full fledged Win8 operating system! Not a scaled down OS like iOS. Now if Apple had a tablet that was running OSX, THEN maybe you could compare the two but until then APPLE has some catching up to do. Catching up? There have been full on windows tablets on the market for nearly a decade with only marginal adoption. The idea that a tablet with a full operating system is superior has not been supported by consumers. Why? I suspect it's because consumers don't want a tablet that is a full blown PC... the majority just want a tablet. I had high hopes (which may still be realized) that MS would finally understand this very basic principal and build the best tablet OS possible and not continue to harbor the illusion that a 10" tablet is suitable, even desirable, for work. Until they do, they will languish.

nonseq-

with regards to early tablet pc's (i believe you speak of the ones developed to work with windows xp tablet edition), they were cumbersome, expensive, had poor battery life and full of UI issues that made them very impractical. at that time, microsoft had the right idea going but never continued developing it as the market was not ready (think GM with the first electric car, the ev-1 and what happened).

since then, apple has taken the idea of the tablet and flipped it on its head (again, think gm's ev-1 vs. the toyota prius). without trying to sound like a fanboy of either camp, i think microsoft is doing something brazen in this latest venture. they dare to be creative again and not show themselves as the old man on the hill not looking for change.

apple has danced around them, gobbling market share and developing devices for the masses. they have taken the ideals that windows was developed on, an everyday platform for everyone and created an ecosystem out of it. definitely no small task and to be respected.

i do challenge you the following, when the surface pro comes out. try it, work with it, drawn CLEAR reasons why the ipad and ios are better. my first impression is that the idea of a surface pro negates the need for both a laptop and a tablet. this is a more economical solution (macbook and an ipad would set you back at least $1500 vs. $900 for surface pro), not to mention better for the environment, as it merges two concepts (by the way, where are your ipod and blackberry since you purchased your android or iphone? hmmm...) thus creating less e-waste.

all in all, i welcome any response and look forward to a good, engaging conversation, should you welcome it.

[chosenson]

abfromnj, on 15 December 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

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metabolic said
You can't compare the above tablet to an apple iPad. The Surface with Win8 Pro is running a full fledged Win8 operating system! Not a scaled down OS like iOS. Now if Apple had a tablet that was running OSX, THEN maybe you could compare the two but until then APPLE has some catching up to do. Catching up? There have been full on windows tablets on the market for nearly a decade with only marginal adoption. The idea that a tablet with a full operating system is superior has not been supported by consumers. Why? I suspect it's because consumers don't want a tablet that is a full blown PC... the majority just want a tablet. I had high hopes (which may still be realized) that MS would finally understand this very basic principal and build the best tablet OS possible and not continue to harbor the illusion that a 10" tablet is suitable, even desirable, for work. Until they do, they will languish.

nonseq-

with regards to early tablet pc's (i believe you speak of the ones developed to work with windows xp tablet edition), they were cumbersome, expensive, had poor battery life and full of UI issues that made them very impractical. at that time, microsoft had the right idea going but never continued developing it as the market was not ready (think GM with the first electric car, the ev-1 and what happened).

since then, apple has taken the idea of the tablet and flipped it on its head (again, think gm's ev-1 vs. the toyota prius). without trying to sound like a fanboy of either camp, i think microsoft is doing something brazen in this latest venture. they dare to be creative again and not show themselves as the old man on the hill not looking for change.

apple has danced around them, gobbling market share and developing devices for the masses. they have taken the ideals that windows was developed on, an everyday platform for everyone and created an ecosystem out of it. definitely no small task and to be respected.

i do challenge you the following, when the surface pro comes out. try it, work with it, drawn CLEAR reasons why the ipad and ios are better. my first impression is that the idea of a surface pro negates the need for both a laptop and a tablet. this is a more economical solution (macbook and an ipad would set you back at least $1500 vs. $900 for surface pro), not to mention better for the environment, as it merges two concepts (by the way, where are your ipod and blackberry since you purchased your android or iphone? hmmm...) thus creating less e-waste.

all in all, i welcome any response and look forward to a good, engaging conversation, should you welcome it.

@ abfromnj

You make a good point, but the deciding factor is the user.

In the office here, iPads, Android tablets, and even the new Windows RT tablet(s) would not cut it. They all can do the more basic and mundane tasks, and even some less than basic and mundane, but they can't do what we need in the office. A Surface Pro tablet is the first tablet that stands a chance. It has the necessary power, and the OS will fit right into our environment.

Personally, I would like to see a tablet similar in design and specs of the Surface Pro with one small difference, a 15 in screen. I don't mind some extra weight; and in the office environment, the chances of the tablet being held in one's hands for an extended period of time is unlikely.

[person17]

to the poster who wanted the 15 inch surface pro, check out the Sony Vaio tap 20