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[KLanD]

I thought the gap was much closer between the two top dogs, I I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone.


Here come the apologists.. When Apple was on top it was; The Market has spoken and clearly iOS is superior, since it has a higher percentage. Now Android is on top; Well, it`s cause people are cheap and they don`t really understand technology.

[Vulpinemac]

You do realize that Samsung is doing this with far more than just TWO lines of smartphone, don't you? Apple's holding its own with just ONE line and is still doing better than any other brand except Samsung.

And remember, this is still calculating only one month.

[frlwinslow]

Apple may be second best but one can rest assured that Apple will try to sue and stop competitors from selling the equipment because the Fruit Maker, like Russia and China, wants to pretend it developed everything it has copied from others!

[nalij]

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I thought the gap was much closer between the two top dogs, I I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone. Here come the apologists.. When Apple was on top it was; The Market has spoken and clearly iOS is superior, since it has a higher percentage. Now Android is on top; Well, it`s cause people are cheap and they don`t really understand technology.

Hahah, so true. I think people are starting to understand that with Apple you get a great shiny device with fantastic marketing, but.... it's behind the tech curve the moment it is released AND you pay a premium - that's not usually the way things work.

Android right now offers the best feature:price ratio in all device tiers, and that is just going to continue the growth. OEM's will never go back to designing OS's again.....

The interesting turn of events will be when Win8 begins to penetrate the PC market and people get use to the interface, I certainly believe this will help increase their penetration for the Surface and Win8 phones....

[nalij]

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You do realize that Samsung is doing this with far more than just TWO lines of smartphone, don't you? Apple's holding its own with just ONE line and is still doing better than any other brand except Samsung. And remember, this is still calculating only one month.

What's your point? Sounds like you're suggesting Apple needs to expand their device line up. Any lower price iPhone will surely cannibalize the more expensive one. IMHO Apple has peaked in terms of iPhone penetration.

[GeoffreyKim]

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You do realize that Samsung is doing this with far more than just TWO lines of smartphone, don't you? Apple's holding its own with just ONE line and is still doing better than any other brand except Samsung. And remember, this is still calculating only one month.

I have a hard time in getting what you are implying. Are you saying that Apple will have a bigger share if they have more lines of product? If that is true, which I seriously doubt, why do you suppose that Apple only has one LINE? Because they do not enjoy making money? Because they do not desire to have a bigger share? Get to the point.

[TechConc]

KLanD, on 03 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

I thought the gap was much closer between the two top dogs, I I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone.

So... you've taken the cycle leading up to the iPhone 5 release (July through October) as the basis of your claim that the iPhone 5 isn't selling well? Really? It was on the market for a few days in that time frame and in a limited number of markets. Anyway, I hate to burst your bubble, but...

http://www.techhail....one-sales/12746
http://mashable.com/...-android-in-us/

It seems to me that people aren't quite as bored with Apple's latest release as you think. Seriously, just an ounce of common sense should indicate that you're looking at pre-iPhone 5 data. You know, the quiet period when people know a new phone is coming. Even then, Apple demonstrated growth in market share.

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[GSLeon3]

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You do realize that Samsung is doing this with far more than just TWO lines of smartphone, don't you? Apple's holding its own with just ONE line and is still doing better than any other brand except Samsung. And remember, this is still calculating only one month.

One? Last I checked, the carriers & retail outlets were still selling iPhone 4, 4S & 5's. Add to that the new iPad mini & you are starting to see a picture, right? Apple is trying to do what Android has successfully doing to get to the top. Give people a variety of choices. They have to, because people are starting to realize that the only difference between a "walled garden" & a prison is a few plants.

As for those that talk about cheap Androids, I never buy a device using a carrier subsidy. That means I pay between 550 & 800 USD per device & I choose the device that works best for me. At this time that is the HTC One X+ & the Galaxy Note 10.1. Nothing to do with what is cheaper, only what best suits my needs. I do quite a bit & I am a power user & to me the iPhone is more like a feature phone than a smartphone. Of course I have been at it since before the days of PPC2002, yes WinCE, which many of you have probably never seen or used. I want a smartphone that is smart, that I can use with legacy apps via RDP or VPN & require function keys, something an iPhone cannot do, no way, no how, PERIOD. I also frequently mark up design drawings & the Note 10.1 offers something the iPad again doesn't, a Wacom Digitizer like stylus & again customized keyboards that I can personalize with symbols I frequently use as well as smart stylus inputs that recognize formulaic equations for many things like graphing & system design. Not everybody needs all of those functions, just like everyone doesn't need a smartphone. But if you look at what I do with my device, Android is PPC/WinCE/WinMo of the last decade & the i-Products are the feature phones of that same era. They are nicely built & they are very functional for average users, but they are not superior business devices, no. Maybe they are superior Social Media devices, but even that is debatable depending on your network of choice.

[KLanD]

TechConc, on 03 December 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

KLanD, on 03 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

I thought the gap was much closer between the two top dogs, I I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone.

So... you've taken the cycle leading up to the iPhone 5 release (July through October) as the basis of your claim that the iPhone 5 isn't selling well? Really? It was on the market for a few days in that time frame and in a limited number of markets. Anyway, I hate to burst your bubble, but...

http://www.techhail....one-sales/12746
http://mashable.com/...-android-in-us/

It seems to me that people aren't quite as bored with Apple's latest release as you think. Seriously, just an ounce of common sense should indicate that you're looking at pre-iPhone 5 data. You know, the quiet period when people know a new phone is coming. Even then, Apple demonstrated growth in market share.

Who said anything about the iPhone 5 not selling well?

If that's the case, then by your logic Apple should gain around 10% within the next couple months right? The numbers have been slipping for a while and the iPhone 5 isn't going to help. Like the iPad mini, people aren`t flocking to it like in the past, the numbers prove that. I was just speculating as to why?

[TechConc]

KLanD, on 03 December 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Who said anything about the iPhone 5 not selling well?

I'm not sure why you're trying to back pedal now. Please tell me what you meant by:

"I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone."

Clearly, from your own words, you've expected the iPhone 5 to have a significant impact in the July through October period even though it was only available for a few days in October (and broke sales records during that timeframe) and only in a few markets. Please, do explain what you meant by that...

I also find it amusing how you've failed to acknowledge the links which indicate that iPhone has passed Android in the US market (where the iPhone 5 was initially released).

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If that's the case, then by your logic Apple should gain around 10% within the next couple months right? The numbers have been slipping for a while and the iPhone 5 isn't going to help. Like the iPad mini, people aren`t flocking to it like in the past, the numbers prove that. I was just speculating as to why?

Please explain your 10% estimate since these are your numbers not mine. Also, please explain what you mean by "slipping" as I see Apple's market share increasing, even in the period leading up to the iPhone 5 release. Sorry, but fail to see the logic in anything you've written.

Also, please explain the basis of your iPad mini comment. What numbers are you referring to? Have you actually tried to buy one? I have and they've been sold out as soon as supply comes in. I'm trying to order one for my daughter for the holidays. I finally just ordered one online last week and will have to wait until 12/19 until I get it. Either Apple is having serious supply problems or they are selling in considerable quantities. Likewise, I'm very curious as to the basis of your "Like the iPad mini, people aren`t flocking to it like in the past, the numbers prove that" claim. I'm looking forward to your response.

[ArgyleR]

Android is like every other car company against GM when you compare android to Apple. I don't know how anybody can even make that comparison. 20 companies making Android phones against 1 company, Apple.

[WinTard]

ArgyleR, on 03 December 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Android is like every other car company against GM when you compare android to Apple. I don't know how anybody can even make that comparison. 20 companies making Android phones against 1 company, Apple.

You got that wrong. It's one single company against all others. Until Apple came, there was peace and competition. It was a win-win situation.

And if we're talking about Android, then there are 84 (large) companies together joined with the same vision and philosophy, willing to compete honorably against one another in the marketplace.

http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/




And please remember who drew first blood. It's Apple.

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None of us is a smart as all of us.
{Japanese Proverb}

War is only a cowardly escape from the problems of peace.
~ Thomas Mann

The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out.
{Chinese Proverb}

Peace hath her victories, no less renowned than War.
~ John Milton

[WinTard]

Speaking of Samsung, I just got my Google / Samsung Nexus 10 !

Wow! What a machine! Who needs retina display (also manufactured by Samsung)?

Nuf' said.


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People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them.
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Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.
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One man practicing sportsmanship is far better than fifty preaching it.
~ Knute Rockne, 1888-1931, American College Football Coach

[TechConc]

WinTard, on 03 December 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

You got that wrong. It's one single company against all others. Until Apple came, there was peace and competition. It was a win-win situation.

Right, and there was also stagnation with very little innovation going on, at least in terms of user interface / user experience. Microsoft and even early Android (pre-iPhone) were poor Blackberry knock-offs. Is that the market you prefer? Let's see you go back to using one of those pieces of crap.

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And if we're talking about Android, then there are 84 (large) companies together joined with the same vision and philosophy, willing to compete honorably against one another in the marketplace.

Oh please... vision? philosophy? Sorry, but your version of history is a bit delusional. When the iPhone came out, every existing platform felt like a dinosaur by comparison. The death spiral started, Palm was first, Microsoft had to go back and completely retool, RIM and Nokia are still circling the bowl, but their fate is clear. Google offered the OEMs (Samsung, HTC, etc.) a life raft by way of Android as it was clear the other ships were sinking. The rats jumped ship because they had no other choice. Android was an iPhone knock-off when it was released and it has since remained the only real competitor. Yes, some, like Samsung are thriving... but at a cost (see the graph at the bottom).
http://www.asymco.co...lling-galaxies/

Still, it's funny to hear your tale of 84 companies sitting around singing "Kum bah ya" as if they are just happily playing along with each other in the same market. The obvious question is, what choice do they have? Not a single one of them is innovative... unless you consider putting a slightly modified skin on top of someone else's OS counts.

[Vulpinemac]

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I thought the gap was much closer between the two top dogs, I I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone. Here come the apologists.. When Apple was on top it was; The Market has spoken and clearly iOS is superior, since it has a higher percentage. Now Android is on top; Well, it`s cause people are cheap and they don`t really understand technology.

Actually, Apple has the lead in the US--when you take non-smartphones out of the equation. It seems Apple rose to 49%+ in US smartphone sales while Android as a whole fell to just under 48% according to another survey.

[Vulpinemac]

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What's your point? Sounds like you're suggesting Apple needs to expand their device line up. Any lower price iPhone will surely cannibalize the more expensive one. IMHO Apple has peaked in terms of iPhone penetration.

The point was quite obvious: Samsung has to put out piles of phones just to break even with Apple. A more recent survey points out that Apple holds 49% of all US smartphone sales.

[KLanD]

TechConc, on 03 December 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

KLanD, on 03 December 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Who said anything about the iPhone 5 not selling well?

I'm not sure why you're trying to back pedal now. Please tell me what you meant by:

"I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone."

Clearly, from your own words, you've expected the iPhone 5 to have a significant impact in the July through October period even though it was only available for a few days in October (and broke sales records during that timeframe) and only in a few markets. Please, do explain what you meant by that...

I also find it amusing how you've failed to acknowledge the links which indicate that iPhone has passed Android in the US market (where the iPhone 5 was initially released).

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If that's the case, then by your logic Apple should gain around 10% within the next couple months right? The numbers have been slipping for a while and the iPhone 5 isn't going to help. Like the iPad mini, people aren`t flocking to it like in the past, the numbers prove that. I was just speculating as to why?

Please explain your 10% estimate since these are your numbers not mine. Also, please explain what you mean by "slipping" as I see Apple's market share increasing, even in the period leading up to the iPhone 5 release. Sorry, but fail to see the logic in anything you've written.

Also, please explain the basis of your iPad mini comment. What numbers are you referring to? Have you actually tried to buy one? I have and they've been sold out as soon as supply comes in. I'm trying to order one for my daughter for the holidays. I finally just ordered one online last week and will have to wait until 12/19 until I get it. Either Apple is having serious supply problems or they are selling in considerable quantities. Likewise, I'm very curious as to the basis of your "Like the iPad mini, people aren`t flocking to it like in the past, the numbers prove that" claim. I'm looking forward to your response.

Clearly.. you read into things way too much. I never said it would have a significant impact, just that I felt it would have helped.

Look at the numbers.. the 10% should be fairly obvious. As for marketshare, it depends on who you ask. Seems to me no one seems to know exactly who's in the lead right now.

I haven't seen any glowing numbers out of Apple concerning the Mini, which leads me to believe it's not selling as well as the had hoped. Apple is usually the first to toot their own horn. I may be reading into that too deeply, but I haven't seen any journalistic evidence to the contrary. Apple always has supply issues with new products, which leads me to believe either someone at Apple is grossly incompetent or it's a controlled shortage (like the typical launch one).

[KLanD]

ArgyleR, on 03 December 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Android is like every other car company against GM when you compare android to Apple. I don't know how anybody can even make that comparison. 20 companies making Android phones against 1 company, Apple.

Incorrect.

20 companies making 20 different competing products and Apple making one.

You make it seem as if the 20 companies are only in competition with Apple.

[KLanD]

Vulpinemac, on 06 December 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

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I thought the gap was much closer between the two top dogs, I I thought the iPhone 5 would sure up the gap a little as well. Looks like people really are getting bored of the "Upgrade to a "kinda more newish" device every year" cycle.. or maybe they're just getting bored with the iPhone. Here come the apologists.. When Apple was on top it was; The Market has spoken and clearly iOS is superior, since it has a higher percentage. Now Android is on top; Well, it`s cause people are cheap and they don`t really understand technology.

Actually, Apple has the lead in the US--when you take non-smartphones out of the equation. It seems Apple rose to 49%+ in US smartphone sales while Android as a whole fell to just under 48% according to another survey.

I'm not sure what you're implying.. there are no iOS or Android 'non-smartphones'