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Review: Microsoft Office 2013 Features New Look, Prices

#41 User is offline   ZLHysong 

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  Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:11 AM

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Not True. LibreOffice is a true OpenSource Alternative to Microsoft Office. I am in fact switching from Microsoft Office 2010 to LibreOffice. Microsoft Office is a joke.


Show me a point-by-point comparison of this "fact" and I will believe you. Why can Microsoft charge this price for their software? Because it is worth it. Plain and simple. It is the industry standard for a reason. LibreOffice is nice for a free package, and on my Linux Distros, it is my Office Suite of choice, but, just like WordPerfect, and Lotus, and any other Word Processing Software Suites, it simply does not match up to Microsoft... Yet.
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  Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:03 AM

People seem to completely miss that there are web versions of each of these apps that are FREE for individual use at live.com or outlook.com They are just as functional, if not more so in some instances as Google Docs. Free is a good price. The subscription model is useful for households or a small business with a few PCs or for people who need the added functionality.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:28 AM

View Postjskardzius, on 10 December 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

People seem to completely miss that there are web versions of each of these apps that are FREE for individual use at live.com or outlook.com  They are just as functional, if not more so in some instances as Google Docs. Free is a good price. The subscription model is useful for households or  a small business with a few PCs or for people who need the added functionality.

The web apps are good for what they are, sure, but occasionally I need to use them offline, and having to login to the browser to use them is an extra little annoyance. Now if they released a free version of Office on the desktop with the same features, I'd seriously consider it, and probably switch. (of course, that's probably why they haven't done that)

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  Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

Thank you for mentioning that the new Local Install license is good for only one machine. BUT, you missed a second KEY attribute of the new licensing scam. Although MS markets the 2013 local install as a "Retail" or "FPP" class of license it is NOT! MS has changed the terms of the new "Retail" license to be exactly the same as those of the 2010 "Product Key Card" ("PKC") license! Installable on only one machine (as you mentioned) BUT ALSO limited to that one machine for the life of the hardware. It is clearly stated near the start of the newly revised MS License Terms (that you can only read after installing the software!)

What a marketing lie! Why couldn't they simply have retired the "FPP" class of license and called the new ones "PKC"? It would have been honest and clear to anyone with experience in the various licensing terms... {sigh}. This link has been the only online source of the new license terms I've found to date: http://office-watch....t/n.aspx?a=1782

{snip} A more subtle innovation is the use of animation that can make normal transitions look more fluid (you can disable these effects if you wish). {/snip}

That "innovation" drove me to distraction. That "feature" alone was enough to keep me from paying for the new version! One symptom of it is clearly seen in Excel. When you use the keyboard to move the focus to a new cell, in 2013 there is a "rubber band" effect. I would press the arrow key an there would be a delay before the focus changed. The effect is less noticeable in Word.

It is NOT "innovative" or an improvement. It is just change for the sake of change! So that they can claim there is a "new" selling "feature".

You mention it can be disabled, but not how. Here is one article the describes the simple registry hack:
http://www.howtogeek...8-start-screen/
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  Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:37 PM

{snip} One of Word’s most visible innovations is a new Read Mode that dispenses with the ribbon toolbar and lets you see documents as though they appeared within a printed book. {/snip}

"Read Mode" is NOT innovative. There has been an equivalent "reading" view ever since Office for Windows came out in 1989! You folks in the media (not just this article) are not the only ones to have FINALLY noticed it because MS marketing has been pushing it.

You have screen caps of 3 views of the ribbon, Standard, collapsed (tabs only) and Hidden. How is "hidden" view turned on? Or is it only part of Read View?
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  Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

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People seem to completely miss that there are web versions of each of these apps that are FREE for individual use at live.com or outlook.com  They are just as functional, if not more so in some instances as Google Docs. Free is a good price. The subscription model is useful for households or  a small business with a few PCs or for people who need the added functionality. The web apps are good for what they are, sure, but occasionally I need to use them offline, and having to login to the browser to use them is an extra little annoyance. Now if they released a free version of Office on the desktop with the same features, I'd seriously consider it, and probably switch. (of course, that's probably why they haven't done that)


Google Docs/Drive can be viewed offline. There is an app for chrome as well as one for desktop that will let you view offline.
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  Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:23 PM

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Office 2013 is the best version of Office released so far. I love access to SkyDrive, the look and feel of the new software, and so many other features. I support hardware and software for hundreds of clients that will love this. For those that have commneted poorly on Office 2013, I bet you could get Word Perfect for a low price and Open Office is so outdated, but free. Either you pay to play or you don't move forward. Not True. LibreOffice is a true OpenSource Alternative to Microsoft Office. I am in fact switching from Microsoft Office 2010 to LibreOffice. Microsoft Office is a joke. And you'll crawl back once you see the social networking features of Outlook, including the ability to Skype; or the PDF capabilities of Word; or the Skydrive integration; or the smart design capabilities of the new PowerPoint; or the innovative analysis tools in the new Excel. Don't count your chickens. Libre is free, and that's cool, but it simply does not match up to Office.


Ever since the Libreoffice and Oppen Office mess started (The project team split) I have found that both have gotten worst...Either way I would rather use Skydrive or Google Docs because they are more productive and have more features then those free solutions.

As a student I have been using Google Drive for everything related to school and I would say that there is not much of a problem with lack of features as long as you figure out how to use it. I have needed to go to powerpoint once because I needed a feature and that got added to Google Docs when the whole Drive brand was created.
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  Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

It is ridiculous that you cannot sign in with a gmail account, still the big MS is doing the IBM thing of trying to restrict users from other clouds while touting the interoperability BS. I dont need their Skydrive I use Drop Box and Google drive and in the tablets and phone access the Office documents with Polaris Ofice or SoftMaker Office for android. so there goes the exclusivity for MS bye bye
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  Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:45 AM

I just need Word, Excel, and Outlook. For my PC and netbook. To gt that, I will have to buy the Home & Business package TWICE (it comes with a single license) which makes it $440. Or rent the full package for $99 a year. Ridiculous.

I just bought (not rent) SoftMaker Office Professional for $99, which includes three licenses, brillant word processor TextMaker (I absolutely miss nothing from Word), spreadsheet PlanMaker, presentation graphics software SoftMaker Presentations, and eM Client 5 Professional, all 100% compatible to Microsoft Office formats. Cheers Microsoft, I'm out.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

I see they sorta reintroduced a menu list of drop-downs like in MS Office 2003 and prior. Pity they took away your ability to COLOR the thing. Instead, "Microsoft’s Office redesign uses white backgrounds pretty much everywhere, and the net effect is less clutter." No, the net effect is more eyestrain. This STUPID idea was introduced in 2007 and hasn't changed since. They made the same stupid mistake in Moviemaker 6.0 (not Live Moviemaker, which is inferior) -- but at least your color choices for the system, affect how Moviemaker displays.

Not so in MS Office. Glare Blue and Glare White cannot be overridden. For what value added, to go with the added eyestrain? None. You can't customize menu options, as you could before, in Office 2003 and prior. You can't get the color scheme to ease your employees' eyestrain, either.

Adding insult to injury, the return to a Menu drop-down is less intuitive than the old MS Office 2003 and prior menus, which were standard across the OS as well. File means something to do with file management, clear; Edit means something to do with editing the file, again clear. View means something to do with onscreen viewing, still clear; Insert again clear; Format, again clear, but then Tools contains some things affecting formatting, but called Tools because it's on a grand scale; Table overlaps with Tools, but is restricted to Tables, and of course Window and Help are clear. I just uploaded a video showing the difference, here.

This is why the legal, financial, and most every other word-processing-intensive firm remains on Word 2003 and prior. When I download legal documents to tweak for my clients, the download is in rtf or in Word 2003 and prior format. Or, in pdf, which everyone but MS has been able to convert to editable text, since the 1990s (and even before, with Acrobat).

MS Office has become dysfunctional in the extreme. Late to the party. It never fixed the flaws in Word 2003 and prior, which if it had merely done WITHOUT changing the interface, would have garnered more profits for the company. Were I on the Board of Directors, I'd argue for firing all the top management involved in the changes to the interface. For both the OS, and Office. Those are the mainstays of the company, and whoever argued for the massive interface changes to be FORCED on people, is too dumb to live.

See, we MAKE MACROS to run a lot of things, so interface changes are extremely expensive. CNC controllers make machine parts, be it for cars, the restaurant industry, or whatever. They use a Windows OS and depend on the interface being a certain way, to govern what programs are called up at what time to make the parts, effect design changes, etc. BILLIONS OF DOLLARS are wasted if the interface is changed. Same for employees, who are used to a certain interface and now must relearn everything over? Do you know how much that costs?

MICROSOFT IS A DEAF COMPANY. It cares not what costs it imposes on users, especially in business. So after being burned several times after XP, businesses are looking elsewhere, for how to handle the next change. MS has proven untrustworthy. Goodwill has been lost.

So groaning, I'll gradually move to Linux, because there's no one to force me to make desktop changes. But I wish it were commercialized, so I could get the support needed when needed. Support is good in enterprise. But the small business owner is kinda left in the lurch, unless he goes to Ubuntu. Hint hint to you other Linux flavors, you could charge us for support and we'd gladly pay. We don't want to write our own Linux code. We want to do what we do, to make a living!

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  Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:22 AM

Why no mention of the installation process? I have 2013 Professional and there are no options to customize the install. I can't change the install directory, and I can't change the programs that install (or don't).
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  Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:43 PM

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It is ridiculous that you cannot sign in with a gmail account, still the big MS is doing the IBM thing of trying to restrict users from other clouds while touting the interoperability BS. I dont need their Skydrive I use Drop Box and Google drive and in the tablets and phone access the Office documents with Polaris Ofice or SoftMaker Office for android. so there goes the exclusivity for MS bye bye
I use my gmail account just fine, and use dropbox as well. However, with the new Office 365 and skydrive integration, I find that works even better. For now, just have dropbox inside of skydrive.
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  Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:00 PM

I bought Microsoft 2013 (on a pay each month plan). WHERE do I find info on using it ?

Usually when Windows 8 or new iphone or ipad comes out, there is a magazine which gives you info on using it.
Not in this case.

I have bought something that I will have to google search to find out how to use !
I can find no books and if there is info in the monthly computer magazines, these is just a few pages in the middle of lots of stuff I don't need (or want to pay for)
Don't know if I have the time to teach myself how to use this new version by looking for info.
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:26 PM

View Postmargaretdb, on 31 March 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

I bought Microsoft 2013 (on a pay each month plan). WHERE do I find info on using it ?

Usually when Windows 8 or new iphone or ipad comes out, there is a magazine which gives you info on using it.
Not in this case.

I have bought something that I will have to google search to find out how to use !
I can find no books and if there is info in the monthly computer magazines, these is just a few pages in the middle of lots of stuff I don't need (or want to pay for)
Don't know if I have the time to teach myself how to use this new version by looking for info.

These are usually pretty good guides:
http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/1118497155
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