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[RDunn]

Unbelievable. Someone's not thinking... not at all.
How about we wear wires when we're having sex so Verizon, et al, can tv us, phone us, or burst in the door to sell us a sex manual, so we can do it better, or have maximum procreativity... "ambient action of a use".
Nobody wants this spy technology except the loony.

[LiveBrianD]

Amazing that they'd deny any patent, given all the BS ones they've been awarding Apple lately...

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 08 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

[IT4all]

Does no one think this is SICK and WRONG? I'd start making arrests over at Verizon right away!

[Excalibur]

This article is little more than a title.

Why no mention of how viewers' activities might be detected?

Or, of why the application was rejected?

[MKZ1945]

I've seen this issue addressed on a couple of news channels. They all lead you to believe the cable box would have a camera and microphone to monitor your activities will viewing your television. Outside of what Verizon might use it for, the first thing that came to my mind was some hacker getting into the system. Makes me wonder how safe it is to have my Verizon smartphone mounted on the docking station.

Anyway, back to the television thing. I normally record the programs I want to watch just so I can skip the commercials. A one hour program typically has 20 minutes of commercials. Have not went out of my way to watch a commercial since Budweiser stop making them (and I don't even like beer). I wonder if Verizon would start removing commercials from the content they delivered to me based on my actions.

[thewazak]

I thought 1984 had gone!

And how long before folks are arrested for their "ambient action of a use"?

Or some jerk notices a high value item in your house and lists your address on some "rogueBay" site?

The possibilities are endless.

I'm with IT4all - lock 'em up before they get us all!!

[deepsand]

A reading of the patent application shows that the device is a set-top box which contains a microphone and camera, along with a dedicated processing and data storage system capable of voice and image recognition.

Perhaps the application was rejected owing to the concept not being new and novel.

[dreamerof]

I would never knowingly allow such a device in my house. A device like this should be banned and outlawed PERIOD.

[deepsand]

dreamerof, on 08 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

I would never knowingly allow such a device in my house. A device like this should be banned and outlawed PERIOD.

While I concur as to not wanting such in my home, given that others may not agree, why should such be illegal?

[bttlkorqn]

Evil companies = Apple, AT&T, Verizon, most U.S. based airlines, cable tv carriers, some big banks, Wal-Mart, just naming a few.

[TPBGirl]

This is like a pervert getting caught looking in a woman's window...
"Sorry Officer, this is just for research. nothing wrong here, keep moving."
lol

I thought I read about Microsoft wanting to do the same thing. In the news last month. But they want to take it further, count heads and add extra charges for extra people watching movies or something.

All of this crap in the name of "giving the consumer better products" pffft!

WHY cant the FCC make it where.. if you WANT to use and farm a person's data, they you have to PAY them for it. My god, facebook made billions off everyone's info. Its about time the tables were turned and WE GET PAID for our info! Only fair!

[TPBGirl]

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dreamerof said
I would never knowingly allow such a device in my house. A device like this should be banned and outlawed PERIOD. While I concur as to not wanting such in my home, given that others may not agree, why should such be illegal?

Ohh a little something called SPYING, right to privacy, invasion of privacy, etc etc. And if THIS crap is made legal, the perverts spying in windows should be made legal. Use your brains, I cant believe you actually had to ask unless your from another country or in the data farming business yourself.

[deepsand]

TPBGirl, on 08 December 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

This is like a pervert getting caught looking in a woman's window...
"Sorry Officer, this is just for research. nothing wrong here, keep moving."
lol

I thought I read about Microsoft wanting to do the same thing. In the news last month. But they want to take it further, count heads and add extra charges for extra people watching movies or something.

All of this crap in the name of "giving the consumer better products" pffft!

WHY cant the FCC make it where.. if you WANT to use and farm a person's data, they you have to PAY them for it. My god, facebook made billions off everyone's info. Its about time the tables were turned and WE GET PAID for our info! Only fair!

The purpose of such device is not to collect data for future marketing efforts, but rather to tailor advertising in real time while the viewer is in front of an activated TV .

[deepsand]

TPBGirl, on 08 December 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

deepsand said:

dreamerof said:

I would never knowingly allow such a device in my house. A device like this should be banned and outlawed PERIOD.

While I concur as to not wanting such in my home, given that others may not agree, why should such be illegal?

Ohh a little something called SPYING, right to privacy, invasion of privacy, etc etc. And if THIS crap is made legal, the perverts spying in windows should be made legal.

Such is already legal, at least so long as the customer permits it.

TPBGirl, on 08 December 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Use your brains, I cant believe you actually had to ask unless your from another country or in the data farming business yourself.

Evades a direct and substantive answer to the question.

[LiveBrianD]

deepsand, on 08 December 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

TPBGirl, on 08 December 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

This is like a pervert getting caught looking in a woman's window...
"Sorry Officer, this is just for research. nothing wrong here, keep moving."
lol

I thought I read about Microsoft wanting to do the same thing. In the news last month. But they want to take it further, count heads and add extra charges for extra people watching movies or something.

All of this crap in the name of "giving the consumer better products" pffft!

WHY cant the FCC make it where.. if you WANT to use and farm a person's data, they you have to PAY them for it. My god, facebook made billions off everyone's info. Its about time the tables were turned and WE GET PAID for our info! Only fair!

The purpose of such device is not to collect data for future marketing efforts, but rather to tailor advertising in real time while the viewer is in front of an activated TV .

I still don't think I would trust anything like this. (On a related note, I canceled my Verizon phone a week ago, and am not going back.)

[deepsand]

LiveBrianD, on 08 December 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

deepsand, on 08 December 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

TPBGirl, on 08 December 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

This is like a pervert getting caught looking in a woman's window...
"Sorry Officer, this is just for research. nothing wrong here, keep moving."
lol

I thought I read about Microsoft wanting to do the same thing. In the news last month. But they want to take it further, count heads and add extra charges for extra people watching movies or something.

All of this crap in the name of "giving the consumer better products" pffft!

WHY cant the FCC make it where.. if you WANT to use and farm a person's data, they you have to PAY them for it. My god, facebook made billions off everyone's info. Its about time the tables were turned and WE GET PAID for our info! Only fair!

The purpose of such device is not to collect data for future marketing efforts, but rather to tailor advertising in real time while the viewer is in front of an activated TV .

I still don't think I would trust anything like this.

As I said at http://forums.pcworl...post__p__669320 , I'll not be inviting any such device into my home.

However, it is not my right to forbid others from doing so.

LiveBrianD, on 08 December 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

(On a related note, I canceled my Verizon phone a week ago, and am not going back.)

Does that mean that you eschew all telephone service? If not, why Verizon but not others?

This post has been edited by deepsand: 08 December 2012 - 09:30 PM

[LiveBrianD]

deepsand, on 08 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Does that mean that you eschew all telephone service? If not, why Verizon but not others?

Mainly Verizon in particular, due to crap like this and http://lifehacker.co...lphone-activity

I have T-Mobile cell service right now. (as far as I know, they aren't as bad with this kind of stuff)

[deepsand]

LiveBrianD, on 08 December 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

deepsand, on 08 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Does that mean that you eschew all telephone service? If not, why Verizon but not others?

Mainly Verizon in particular, due to crap like this and http://lifehacker.co...lphone-activity

I have T-Mobile cell service right now. (as far as I know, they aren't as bad with this kind of stuff)

I operate on the assumption that anyone who can track something does so.

[LiveBrianD]

deepsand, on 08 December 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 08 December 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

deepsand, on 08 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Does that mean that you eschew all telephone service? If not, why Verizon but not others?

Mainly Verizon in particular, due to crap like this and http://lifehacker.co...lphone-activity

I have T-Mobile cell service right now. (as far as I know, they aren't as bad with this kind of stuff)

I operate on the assumption that anyone who can track something does so.

I see your point there. Still, I'm looking for the lesser of two evils, at least - why get service from a carrier that I know tracks me so they can sell it to advertisers when I have a choice to go for a different one?

It's like how I use Facebook, but in a limited manner. Some of the clubs at school use it, so I sorta have to have an account - but I intentionally used completely fake information, and don't have anything on it that personally identifies me. If they want to sell that information to advertisers, they won't get anything useful from it.

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 08 December 2012 - 10:17 PM