[KLanD]

Hologram, on 16 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

KLanD, on 14 December 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Hologram, on 09 December 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

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First folks complain cause Apple sends jobs overseas. Then they complain when they say they're going to start manufacturing stuff here in the U.S. I say make up your minds or shut up!

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Who is complaining? All I see is people correctly noting Apple's hypocrisy and opportunism! I say learn to understand what you are reading - or shut up!

... oh crap! Another +1 in error. The recommend button is way to close to the reply button.

So, you're complaining about Apple's "hypocrisy and opportunism". Would you care to expand?

Re: "...learn to understand what you are reading - or shut up!".

So tell us, oh wise one, what is is you are so uniquely qualified to understand and which you believe remains a mystery to the rest of us.

Just re-read my first comment, it expresses the (possible) "hypocrisy and opportunism" perfectly imo.. (but then again, I am biased since I did write it.)

The only hypocrisy and opportunism I see is yours. You made three statements and an opportunistic attempt to connect them into a negative spin.

Had someone argued that it was disadvantageous for Apple to re-establish manufacturing in the US you would probably have been all over them trying to prove how Apple was wrong to keep manufacturing overseas.

Would you agree that Samsung's decision to manufacture in the US might just be good business, on several levels? Was Samsung hypocritical and opportunistic in setting up shop in Austin?

I can think of many reasons why it would be advantageous not only for Apple, but many other manufacturers to set up manufacturing in the US again, not to mention the advantages for workers and consumers.

I'm equally sure that, for the sake of argument, you can find just as many to prove I'm wrong.

For the record, yes, it does matter to me that something is Made in the USA, or Germany or Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Canada, Brazil or even Hong Kong. You, of course, are free to not care.

How about you just read what I say and leave what I may have said in a different situation to me instead of ridiculous assumptions.

Samsung setup shop in the US for Samsung. Foxconn is setting up shop in the US for Foxconn. Apple is not building a factory in the US, it is, however, taking advantage of the fact that one of it's suppliers has decided to open a factory in the US.

That is being opportunistic. No one even said it was a bad thing to be opportunistic in business, it's one way to keep a company successful.

The fact that they are passing it off as "their decision" is not quite 'hypocritical', but it is the exact kind of 'Apple spin' I'd expect.

[Hologram]

KLanD, on 19 December 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

How about you just read what I say and leave what I may have said in a different situation to me instead of ridiculous assumptions.

Assumption, yes. Ridiculous, I don't think so.

I doubt you would have been in agreement with an "Apple fanboi" defending Apple's choice to manufacture in China.

Prove me wrong.

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Samsung setup shop in the US for Samsung. Foxconn is setting up shop in the US for Foxconn. Apple is not building a factory in the US, it is, however, taking advantage of the fact that one of it's suppliers has decided to open a factory in the US.

That is being opportunistic. No one even said it was a bad thing to be opportunistic in business, it's one way to keep a company successful.

The fact that they are passing it off as "their decision" is not quite 'hypocritical', but it is the exact kind of 'Apple spin' I'd expect.

Why would Foxconn set up shop in the USA? Do you think that maybe one of its biggest customers has expressed an interest, for whatever reason, to have product manufactured in the USA?

Somehow, you "know" Apple isn't opening a factory or factories in the US. I've read otherwise. If some of Apple's manufacturing gets done Stateside, you can be pretty sure it won't be because Foxconn decided to do so.

[KLanD]

Hologram, on 20 December 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

KLanD, on 19 December 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

How about you just read what I say and leave what I may have said in a different situation to me instead of ridiculous assumptions.

Assumption, yes. Ridiculous, I don't think so.

I doubt you would have been in agreement with an "Apple fanboi" defending Apple's choice to manufacture in China.

Prove me wrong.

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Samsung setup shop in the US for Samsung. Foxconn is setting up shop in the US for Foxconn. Apple is not building a factory in the US, it is, however, taking advantage of the fact that one of it's suppliers has decided to open a factory in the US.

That is being opportunistic. No one even said it was a bad thing to be opportunistic in business, it's one way to keep a company successful.

The fact that they are passing it off as "their decision" is not quite 'hypocritical', but it is the exact kind of 'Apple spin' I'd expect.

Why would Foxconn set up shop in the USA? Do you think that maybe one of its biggest customers has expressed an interest, for whatever reason, to have product manufactured in the USA?

Somehow, you "know" Apple isn't opening a factory or factories in the US. I've read otherwise. If some of Apple's manufacturing gets done Stateside, you can be pretty sure it won't be because Foxconn decided to do so.

I have no issue with Apple making stuff in China, it helps to keep costs down. Companies don't do stuff out of compassion or human rights, they do what they do for profit.

Why would samsung setup shop in the US? Why would anyone setup shop in the US? Companies are free to setup shop wherever they like and do so if they think it's profitable.

I know Apple isn't opening a factory because apple doesn't make anything. You also seem to be under the impression that Apple somehow controls and dictates all Foxconn business. They make a lot more than Apple products.

[Hologram]

KLanD, on 21 December 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

Hologram, on 20 December 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

KLanD, on 19 December 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

How about you just read what I say and leave what I may have said in a different situation to me instead of ridiculous assumptions.

Assumption, yes. Ridiculous, I don't think so.

I doubt you would have been in agreement with an "Apple fanboi" defending Apple's choice to manufacture in China.

Prove me wrong.

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Samsung setup shop in the US for Samsung. Foxconn is setting up shop in the US for Foxconn. Apple is not building a factory in the US, it is, however, taking advantage of the fact that one of it's suppliers has decided to open a factory in the US.

That is being opportunistic. No one even said it was a bad thing to be opportunistic in business, it's one way to keep a company successful.

The fact that they are passing it off as "their decision" is not quite 'hypocritical', but it is the exact kind of 'Apple spin' I'd expect.

Why would Foxconn set up shop in the USA? Do you think that maybe one of its biggest customers has expressed an interest, for whatever reason, to have product manufactured in the USA?

Somehow, you "know" Apple isn't opening a factory or factories in the US. I've read otherwise. If some of Apple's manufacturing gets done Stateside, you can be pretty sure it won't be because Foxconn decided to do so.

I have no issue with Apple making stuff in China, it helps to keep costs down. Companies don't do stuff out of compassion or human rights, they do what they do for profit.

Two sentences. The first one based on superficial information, the second amusing in that you think you need to express it and that you believe it's quite that simple. Looking for the underlying complexities behind what appear to be very simple assumptions doesn't appear to be your strong point. That's not uncommon. People tend to seek out and believe information that supports their position while automatically discrediting whatever and whomever challenges their beliefs. It's normal. We're programmed to do that from the moment we're born.

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Why would samsung setup shop in the US? Why would anyone setup shop in the US? Companies are free to setup shop wherever they like and do so if they think it's profitable.

I know Apple isn't opening a factory because apple doesn't make anything. You also seem to be under the impression that Apple somehow controls and dictates all Foxconn business. They make a lot more than Apple products.

You appear to be under the impression that I "seem to be under the impression that Apple somehow controls and dictates all Foxconn business"

That's not what I said.

This post has been edited by Hologram: 21 December 2012 - 09:52 AM

[KLanD]

Hologram, on 21 December 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Two sentences. The first one based on superficial information, the second amusing in that you think you need to express it and that you believe it's quite that simple. Looking for the underlying complexities behind what appear to be very simple assumptions doesn't appear to be your strong point. That's not uncommon. People tend to seek out and believe information that supports their position while automatically discrediting whatever and whomever challenges their beliefs. It's normal. We're programmed to do that from the moment we're born.

I think Einstein said it best; "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

You remind me of an English lit. teacher I once had who would obsessively try to find deep and hidden complexities in ever piece we read. In one class we were going through short poems by unknown authors and there was a rather simple, yet well written poem about a bird. The teacher went off on a tangent about the deep sexual meanings and how the author was trying to portray this or that. So I asked the teacher 2 questions; Do you know the author? To which she replied 'No, of course not, the author of this work is unknown.' I then asked; "So how do you know this isn't just a poem about a bird?". My point was that without knowing the author all she was doing was making assumptions. Something you and her have very much in common.

I agree with your last line and I think you should take your own advice.

The simple fact is, companies exist to make a profit. They may not have been started for that purpose, but without profit, there is no company. Don't think I'm singling out Apple here, every company does whatever they can to increase profit. Some just take it farther than others.