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After Its Launch Splash, Windows 8 Faces Business Skepticism

#21 User is offline   delitech 

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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:34 AM

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Switch from Start screen to Desktop? <Windows>+D -- no problem!! Finding programs when the start button is missing? Pin them to the taskbar just like in Windows 7.


I just moved the Desktop tile to the very first position, so I can just press ENTER. But those who complain can just as well install Start8.

As for pinning, that's a good idea. But you can also just type their names right away and they'll pop up. I've arranged my tiles (shortcuts) into useful groups (design, internet, office, etc.), so they are still grouped together just like on the Start menu of old. Except, they're faster to find!

Anyway, working good so far. Not looking back. But I do miss the option to change the title bar text colour, I think Charm bar should have been on the left, but I love that "Up one folder" has been brought back!
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#22 User is offline   LorinThwaits 

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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

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... How do I get to the programs on my computer? Where is the start menu?


I think the easiest way is to hit Win+R and navigate in the C drive, into the Program Files folder, and find the .EXE that you want to run.

For those with lots of programs installed, the Start Screen is so completely unusable that directly typing out a path to an executable is easier.
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#23 User is offline   djnforce9 

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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:29 AM

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I just upgraded an XP laptop to windows 8 and found that it was so unintuitive that it is worthless. How do I get to the programs on my computer? Where is the start menu? How do I replace Bing with Google? Windows 8 is a social media experiment gone bad.


The Start Screen is pretty much a tabular quick launch. The issue is that it gets way too cluttered as you're installing programs unless you constantly unpin what you don't need. Microsoft also bundles Windows 8 with a bunch of their own apps most of which I found to be completely useless because there are better desktop alternatives. The Windows Media Center is the biggest slap in the face because it's not free (unless you get it before early 2013) and does not even support Blu-Ray playback which is just stupid (something I would expect a paid for media player to have). There is also a "Google" app to replace the Bing one but again, why would you ever need to use it when there are fully functional web browsers for searching?

Basically I got Windows 8 primarily for the under-the-hood updates and I use the Start screen as an elaborate "quick launch" to keep my actual quick launch bar clean. I have no interest in anything in the Microsoft store except for maybe some of the games such as Rocket Riot 3D. Most of my time is spent on the desktop.
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#24 User is offline   rgeiken 

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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:28 AM

How about individual user skepticism? Individual users will likely buy more computers than business in a given year. To Paraphrase, I Came, I Saw, I Walked away. Not Windows 8 in my home anytime soon. Even for $40 it doesn't seem to be a reasonable cost to turn my computer using experience upside down. My latest purchase was a Nexus 10 which I am very happy with as a second computer. I know one thing for sure, it is sure a lot faster, and it is really easy to install new software in it, and if you decide you don't want it to get rid of it. I also use a W7 Laptop with an i7 and 6 gig of ram which is also a hustler. All of my computer experience lately has been very enjoyable since I got rid of my ASUS Netbook with W7 and 2 gig of ram after installing Android 4.0.3 on it. Even though the Android was just cobbled in, it worked better than W7, and I gave it to a friend and her and her children are enjoying it with Android. I told her not to boot to W7, since that would likely be disappointing.
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:49 AM

"Corporate arrogance" "Customer lock-in"
You are talking about Apple, aren't you?

(No, course not! But it's OK for Apple to operate in that fashion?)
To disagree without being disagreeable is the art of debate. Simply because one has a strong opinion, it does not necessarily make an alternative opinion less valid.
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#26 User is offline   mipa 

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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:57 AM

There is simply no way moving to Windows 8 offers much advantage to businesses to offset the costs of the upgrade. Which is exactly why upgrading from XP to Windows 7 took so long.

Who needs a touch screen interface at work and all those unsightly fingerprints all over the screen!
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:03 PM

I don't get why everyone is complaining about the lack of the start button for windows 8. I never used the start button for windows 7 and Im pretty sure that's the same for everyone. Since Windows 7 had the ability to pin objects to the taskbar you don't really even need the start button. And you could easily mod windows 8 to have a start button if you really wanted to.
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

I find the W8 UI fine but I agree they could have presented an option as to which one should be default. The other thing I find strange is that IE on the Metro UI and the one on the traditional desktop don't seem to be the same program or linked. I had to setup my banking stuff on each instance.

While all applications I've installed have shown up in Metro it is not possible for all of them to generate traditional desktop icons. You have to pin them to the taskbar.

If I had a company, I wouldn't see anything compelling to cause a change to W8 since it doesn't offer a whole lot over W7 and would be an upgrade and training/support load for little gain. The issues are a lot different for a company considering an upgrade than for individual users.

I do think MS is on the right track for unifying the OS across devices. I'll seriously consider a W8 tablet rather than fight with some other OS.
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:51 PM

I use WIN8 with a dual core Athalon processor & 2GIG of ram & it is way faster than with WINXP. If you pin applications to the task bar you have a start menu. To switch from tile screen to desktop(traditional Windows screen) hit the windows button & never go back to the tablet screen if that is your preference.
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:29 PM

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I just upgraded an XP laptop to windows 8 and found that it was so unintuitive that it is worthless. How do I get to the programs on my computer? Where is the start menu? How do I replace Bing with Google? Windows 8 is a social media experiment gone bad.


Did you really upgraded? Because the same thing you do to install a software on XP and Windows 7 is the same for Windows 8. Insert the DVD disc or flash drive. A small windows at the top right will open saying tap or click on it. A new menu comes out to run the installation of your software. If it's a full program it will install and go to the desktop of Windows 8. You can install a icon on the desktop like before or pin it to the taskbar or pin for a tile on the Metro UI.

If you are downloading, the same thing will happen. You download and a menu comes out to run the installation. Of course this works with Windows 8, not Surface RT. Surface RT runs only, for now, Apps not programs.

So, you are trolling or lying or a moron. Which one is it?
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:32 PM

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First thing I did after installing windows 8 was to hide the Tile (metro) and app screen with a simple hack. Mainly to get the fixes that should have been a service pack update for Windows 7. This fix was way overpriced and shows that Google Chrome's way of upgrading is much more consumer friendly than Microsoft. Linux is now catching my eye as Valve and Google are turning towards it and are far more an affordable option. I just ordered a $50 android mini computer stick to watch on my TV. The Windows 8 idea is a huge mistake and makes consumers look like fools for buying.


WassonC6vep, please show how you did. Please share the hack. Many people will love to this too.
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:48 PM

I think many people are narrow minded. Hit a small button (Start) look for the program you want to use or look the big tile in front of your with your program. Hmmm, I will choose the big tile in front of me. I arrange my more use program to be on center stage on the Metro IU. Some are icons on the desktop, just like Windows 7 desktop.

Maybe it's so easy that people are expecting a hard to find to do things and can see it. Looking at one tree instead of the forrest. Maybe, after been brain wash for many tech writers that are pro Apple products, they agree with them without knowing why.

Windows 8 is a great software. Easy to use. It's just different. Just like jumping from Windows 3.1 to 95 or from XP to Windows 7. There are something that takes me a while to get use to do on Windows 7 from XP. So are some things on Windows 8 from Windows 7. Go left to Start botton to turn off PC. Go right to Charm to turn off PC in Windows 8. After a couple of days, I got use to it. No need to think about it. It's nature for me now. But when I used my other Windows 7 PC, I have to stop and think. Is just perception.
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  Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:09 PM

For Enterprise adoption, it all depends. Companies replace their PC on a years of service of their equipment. Many companies are just finishing from replacing their PC from XP to 7. Their cycle is from 3 years minimun to 5 years. So it be a while before they need to cycle their PC. Add to that, the need to test their own software on the new Windows 8 enviroment and it will take a while.

Microsoft knows this, they will get their money one way or another. Be Windows 8 or Windows 7. That is a steady income with very little grow. That market is saturated. Now the consumer market is where some grow can be have. This is why Surface RT came out first. This is for the regular consumer who are buying IPads, Android tablets, etc. Any extra sales from this market is icing on the cake. People have turn to tablets, not laptop or desktop. So if Microsoft announce that it sold 40 million Windows 8, that is 40 million more that what they were expecting. They know, the enterprise is not buying Windows 8 now. Is the consumer who are buying on this time of the year. They are buying Surface tablets, laptops, desktop with Windows 8 now. Sales that might not be generated before.

As more people get use the Windows 8, like a small ball of snow rolling down a hill, it will grow. Enterprise will start seeing the benefict of having a tablet, laptop, desktop and even phone with the same interface for their employees and a benefit for the IT department. Wait for next year at this time of the year to see how much Windows 8 have grown. Unless the world comes to a end this December 21. Then who cares!
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  Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:40 AM

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Win 8 = Vista II.. sad... guess we should be on the lookout for Win 9 pretty soon after this debacle.. and all because MS didn't include an option for a Start Button and the 'usual interface'... I don't do Tablets.. never have.. never will when will these companies ever learn.. 'if it ain't broke.. leave it the heck alone'... Win 7 is a pretty darn good OS

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#35 User is offline   Safetyman 

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  Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:43 AM

@NoVendorLockIn: The next Windows version is already down the line. It's called "Windows Blue" and to be launched in 2013 !! I refer to:
http://www.pcworld.c...-windows-8.html
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  Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:13 AM

What still bothers me is that people keep saying that the "Start Menu is gone"....NO IT'S NOT, they redesigned it as the Start Screen. Think about it, it does exactly what the old Start Menu did: search for files and programs, pin most used programs and apps to it, log in/shut down from it, etc. Microsoft got rid of the old Start Menu design because they figured it was time for change. If they decided to put a Start Button in their desktop app, that would be the only app people would use because they are too afraid or lazy to change, so it would be as if they are still using Windows 7 and Microsoft would fail in their goal to get customers to use the Windows 8 aspect of the OS. As far as businesses not wanting to upgrade to Windows 8 because they are just starting to upgrade to Windows 7, it's kind of their fault for not upgrading right away when Windows 7 came out. That was roughly 3 or 4 years ago. If they really wanted to upgrade back then they could've.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

View Postmcgiggity69, on 20 December 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

What still bothers me is that people keep saying that the "Start Menu is gone"....NO IT'S NOT, they redesigned it as the Start Screen. Think about it, it does exactly what the old Start Menu did: search for files and programs, pin most used programs and apps to it, log in/shut down from it, etc. Microsoft got rid of the old Start Menu design because they figured it was time for change. If they decided to put a Start Button in their desktop app, that would be the only app people would use because they are too afraid or lazy to change, so it would be as if they are still using Windows 7 and Microsoft would fail in their goal to get customers to use the Windows 8 aspect of the OS. As far as businesses not wanting to upgrade to Windows 8 because they are just starting to upgrade to Windows 7, it's kind of their fault for not upgrading right away when Windows 7 came out. That was roughly 3 or 4 years ago. If they really wanted to upgrade back then they could've.


You miss the point entirely. This was an unnecessary complication. If it was your job to explain the 'new' system to 15,000 employees, you'd have NO free time for years. Even if one pretends one can learn the new interface in two hours, the average employee cost OF that two hours, is about $300*. So now multiply that by millions of employees, and you've created a MASSIVE inflation for no benefit added, that will have to be passed onto the customer. It's CRIMINAL!

This latest change of interface despite protests each time, proves that MS wants to be deaf to its customers' needs. Therefore, its other changes in the OS function, will be likewise tyrannical and incompetent. When someone goes deaf on purpose, it's due to arrogance and incompetence inevitably results. So whatever the company USED to get right, will become worse and worse. No thank you. Never buy stock in a company which proves willfully deaf to its customers.

So from now on, I'm moving to another OS I can control, not MS. It's a really bad sign when a company totally disregards its customers, and that's what it's been doing for over 10 years. I fault myself for being so slow on the uptake.

So will use my existing stuff, learn to partition and dual boot, and over time move to some flavor of Linux. I just ordered 13 distros from Amazon -- they come in 'live' packages now, very handy -- and will spend the next year or two testing them all.

*Presume average pay of $40,000 for 2000 hours (full-time), equals $20 per hour, times 1.33 for benefits and FICA paid by employer, means $26.6. This then has to be billed out at double its rate, so $53 per hour. That's only the marginal cost of the employee who learns. Doesn't include the cost of the machine, peripherals, installation, other upgrades, nor the cost of the trainer, help desk, accounting, management associated with organizing the training, nor the time cost of developing a training model, nor the cost of other staff who also first had to learn in order to explain it to the employee. Doesn't include the fixed costs which go on for the same amount of time absent production by the employee. Since the actual production by an employee is usually about 1/3 the total, you get $150 per hour as the real cost, for no added production of anything which can be sold. WHERE is the offsetting savings in operation, by the new OS? Nowhere.

This post has been edited by brainout: 20 December 2012 - 10:22 AM

Wildly Insane Now Dumb Or Willfully Stupid. :)
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  Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:29 AM

I am also tech savvy and embrace new technology faster than most; however, I am not a fan of Windows 8. I used it for a few weeks and really wanted to like it but never got there. I think it is great for mobile devices or the social media crazed; however, for business use Windows 7 makes much more sense. I am hopeful Windows 9 comes sooner rather than later and is again geared more toward business use, because I do not want it personally and certainly don't want it for my business.
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