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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:09 PM

My notebook is Asus X54HR . I am currently using Intel pentium B940 (2.00GHZ DUAL CORE) (pga988)
This laptop has been sold with either:
Intel Pentium B940 (socket pga988)
Intel Pentium B950(socket pga988)
Intel Core i3 2310M (socket ppga988?)
Intel Core i3 2330M(socket ppga988?)
Intel Core i3 2350M(socket ppga988?)

My first question: i want to upgrade to core i3 which uses socket PPGA988. My current processor uses socket PGA988. Whats the diffrence between PPGA988 and PGA998. Will PPGA988 fit into my socket?
My second question is:
Can i upgrade my notebook to CORE I5 with the same socket as the processor i am using right now (SOCKET G2 (PGA988)). This processor wasn't sold(wasn't included) in the X54H series. Will my bios support it?

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:40 PM

View Postecipecikleci, on 22 December 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

My notebook is Asus X54HR . I am currently using Intel pentium B940 (2.00GHZ DUAL CORE) (pga988)
This laptop has been sold with either:
Intel Pentium B940 (socket pga988)
Intel Pentium B950(socket pga988)
Intel Core i3 2310M (socket ppga988?)
Intel Core i3 2330M(socket ppga988?)
Intel Core i3 2350M(socket ppga988?)

My first question: i want to upgrade to core i3 which uses socket PPGA988. My current processor uses socket PGA988. Whats the diffrence between PPGA988 and PGA998. Will PPGA988 fit into my socket?
My second question is:
Can i upgrade my notebook to CORE I5 with the same socket as the processor i am using right now (SOCKET G2 (PGA988)). This processor wasn't sold(wasn't included) in the X54H series. Will my bios support it?

Regards
Matthew


OK, to answer the questions the best I can - there is no real difference in the socket on SB and IVY Bridge machines (such as yours). The socket designations appear to be used interchangeably. I came across this when considering the upgrade on my laptop.

Now the bad news: No, most likely you cannot upgrade to an i5. Yes, there is a good reason for this. The BIOS on your motherboard will have a whitelist of CPU's that can be used. The other issue will be thermal limits, many i5's and i7's consume about 10 watts more power than the i3, that is enough to require more cooling than is available on that laptop. Truth be told, I would worry about upgrading the CPU in there as it is, since many companies actually have different cooling kits based on the CPU they sold the machine with.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

View Postwaldojim, on 22 December 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

View Postecipecikleci, on 22 December 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

My notebook is Asus X54HR . I am currently using Intel pentium B940 (2.00GHZ DUAL CORE) (pga988)
This laptop has been sold with either:
Intel Pentium B940 (socket pga988)
Intel Pentium B950(socket pga988)
Intel Core i3 2310M (socket ppga988?)
Intel Core i3 2330M(socket ppga988?)
Intel Core i3 2350M(socket ppga988?)

My first question: i want to upgrade to core i3 which uses socket PPGA988. My current processor uses socket PGA988. Whats the diffrence between PPGA988 and PGA998. Will PPGA988 fit into my socket?
My second question is:
Can i upgrade my notebook to CORE I5 with the same socket as the processor i am using right now (SOCKET G2 (PGA988)). This processor wasn't sold(wasn't included) in the X54H series. Will my bios support it?

Regards
Matthew


OK, to answer the questions the best I can - there is no real difference in the socket on SB and IVY Bridge machines (such as yours). The socket designations appear to be used interchangeably. I came across this when considering the upgrade on my laptop.

Now the bad news: No, most likely you cannot upgrade to an i5. Yes, there is a good reason for this. The BIOS on your motherboard will have a whitelist of CPU's that can be used. The other issue will be thermal limits, many i5's and i7's consume about 10 watts more power than the i3, that is enough to require more cooling than is available on that laptop. Truth be told, I would worry about upgrading the CPU in there as it is, since many companies actually have different cooling kits based on the CPU they sold the machine with.


do you recommend switching from pentium b940 to one of the i3 s that I have stated above. The cooling was the same for the i3 and pentium versions of this notebook. Benchmarks published online show big diffrences, for example:
passmark:

Intel Core i3-2350M @ 2.30GHz

cpu mark: 2682
Overall Rank: 463
2 cores
2.3 GHZ
3MB CACHE
Hyperthreaded (4)

Intel Pentium B940 @ 2.00GHz(MY CURRENT CPU)

cpu mark: 1867
Overall Rank: 625
2 cores
2.0 ghz
2mb cache
NO hyperthreading
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

It comes down to weather or not you really need it. To be frank, I wouldn't touch a sub 2.5Ghz CPU any more. Even an i7. It is also worth noting, that 100 or 200 mhz can be very hard to spot in day to day computing. Now, the combination of the 300mhz clock increase, and hyper threading, certainly make that much more tempting. If you can get the CPU relatively cheap, it can easily be worth the money. I just wouldn't go spending $200+ on that chip.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:39 PM

The chipset supports the following CPUs. If the CPU isn't one here it won't work. But if ASUS did not include the CPU's microcode on a BIOS update, it won't run either. They are all 988 (or incompatible 1023)...there is no such 998.

Compatible Processors

Intel® Core™ i7-2720QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2540M Processor (3M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 2.90 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-2310M Processor (3M Cache, 2.10 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2410M Processor (3M Cache, up to 2.90 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2820QM Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2520M Processor (3M Cache, up to 3.20 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2620M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-2330E Processor (3M Cache, 2.20 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-2330M Processor (3M Cache, 2.20 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-2350M Processor (3M Cache, 2.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2430M Processor (3M Cache, up to 3.00 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2510E Processor (3M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2635QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 2.90 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2640M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2710QE Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.00 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2760QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2860QM Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2629M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.00 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2649M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.20 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2657M Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.70 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2617M Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.60 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2677M Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.90 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2637M Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.80 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2537M Processor (3M Cache, up to 2.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2557M Processor (3M Cache, up to 2.70 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-2357M Processor (3M Cache, 1.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2655LE Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.90 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-2310E Processor (3M Cache, 2.10 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2715QE Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.00 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-2610UE Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.40 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-2340UE Processor (3M Cache, 1.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2515E Processor (3M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz)
Intel® Pentium® Processor B940 (2M Cache, 2.00 GHz)
Intel® Pentium® Processor B950 (2M Cache, 2.10 GHz)
Intel® Pentium® Processor 957 (2M Cache, 1.20 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor B810 (2M Cache, 1.60 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor B810E (2M Cache, 1.60 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor 847E (2M Cache, 1.10 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor 827E (1.5M Cache, 1.40 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor 847 (2M Cache, 1.10 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-2467M Processor (3M Cache, up to 2.30 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor B710 (1.5M Cache, 1.60 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor B800 (2M Cache, 1.50 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor 787 (1.5M Cache, 1.30 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor 857 (2M Cache, 1.20 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor B840 (2M Cache, 1.90 GHz)
Intel® Celeron® Processor 807UE (1M Cache, 1.0 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-3217UE Processor (3M Cache, 1.60 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i3-3120ME Processor (3M Cache, 2.40 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-3610ME Processor (3M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-3615QE Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-3612QE Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-3610QE Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-3555LE Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.20 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-3517UE Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.80 GHz)

ASUS TS Be sure to update the BIOS to the last revision for your laptop before the swap.

Not sure how much of a bump compared to your present CPU you will get. eBay

As Waldojim said the thermals for an i5 or i7 would likely necessitate a redesign of the laptop. And I doubt the microcode is present though you can google to see if anyone claims to have run an i5 in the laptop. I suspect a 2370M would work. It is possible they used a different cooling solution for the Pen versus i3, but not likely.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

View PostFascistNation, on 23 December 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

The chipset supports the following CPUs. If the CPU isn't one here it won't work. But if ASUS did not include the CPU's microcode on a BIOS update, it won't run either. They are all 988 (or incompatible 1023)...there is no such 998.
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Not sure how much of a bump compared to your present CPU you will get. eBay

As Waldojim said the thermals for an i5 or i7 would likely necessitate a redesign of the laptop. And I doubt the microcode is present though you can google to see if anyone claims to have run an i5 in the laptop. I suspect a 2370M would work. It is possible they used a different cooling solution for the Pen versus i3, but not likely.

Please check the Intel product reference pages and note the package type of: rPGA998B.
That is where the confusion originates from.
(namely because resellers tend to use the package type 998B and the socket 988 interchangeably, when they are not)
http://ark.intel.com/products/52219
Or this one:
http://ark.intel.com...-up-to-3_40-GHz

Laptop manufacturers are also known for using different cooling for cheaper machines to help keep the costs down. Less copper used in the heatsink saves them money.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 23 December 2012 - 06:49 PM

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

View Postwaldojim, on 23 December 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

....Please check the Intel product reference pages and note the package type of: rPGA998B....


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