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[kellyi]

Samsung is every bit as big a patent troll as Apple.

[ShaneHubble]

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Samsung is every bit as big a patent troll as Apple.

Sort of. Samsung doesn't initiate the brawls, they retaliate to law suits leveraged against them with their own - Apple goes around picking fights, they start every fight.

[karthiq]

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Samsung is every bit as big a patent troll as Apple. Sort of. Samsung doesn't initiate the brawls, they retaliate to law suits leveraged against them with their own - Apple goes around picking fights, they start every fight.

Dont be naive.

[karthiq]

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Samsung is every bit as big a patent troll as Apple. Sort of. Samsung doesn't initiate the brawls, they retaliate to law suits leveraged against them with their own - Apple goes around picking fights, they start every fight.

It doesnt initiate brawls but intitiates copying

Ultimately it depends on which side of the fanboy divide you are on. If you are on the apple side samsung might feel at fault to you, if you are on the samsung side apple might feel at fault to you.

[karthiq]

I feel both are at fault. Apple for suing over silly things and samsung copying silly things

[WinTard]

karthiq, on 26 December 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

ShaneHubble, on 26 December 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

kellyi, on 26 December 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Samsung is every bit as big a patent troll as Apple.

Sort of. Samsung doesn't initiate the brawls, they retaliate to law suits leveraged against them with their own - Apple goes around picking fights, they start every fight.

Dont be naive.

Eh, karthiq: "Do what I say. But don't do what I do?"
In case you didn't know, you may be the naïve one. Or maybe even worse.

Speaking of patent trolls:
Did you know Apple 'patented' a curved glass screen, yet doesn't produce nor uses any in their entire current line of products on the market?

https://encrypted.go...nt+curved+glass


But, but, isn't the Google Samsung Nexus phone already using a curved (Corning Gorilla) screen? Isn't that prior art? Isn't it obvious to those skilled in the art? What about a lightbulb, or glass of wine?

https://encrypted.go...s+curved+screen



Hm, smells just like the 'breakthrough' 'revolutionary' 'amazing' 'magical' pinch-zoom #1 Holy Apple patent that just got invalidated by the USPTO?

http://www.groklaw.n...121219174625546



Or how about this other Apple Multi-Touch omnipotent patent being disqualified?

http://www.groklaw.n...121207183905277


Methinks this yet another weak Apple patented non-innovation that won't go very far, not if, but when challenged legally in court.

Only in the US, the land of ambulance chasers and similar parasites...


Curved glass and prior art eh?


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[WinTard]

karthiq, on 26 December 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

It doesnt initiate brawls but intitiates copying

Ultimately it depends on which side of the fanboy divide you are on. If you are on the apple side samsung might feel at fault to you, if you are on the samsung side apple might feel at fault to you.

What exactly did Samsung copy from Apple? All the courts in the world appear to agree that Samsung didn't copy Apple. Except for the one 20 miles from Apple's headquarters in Cupertino. And that one isn't finished yet... As a matter of law. Unfortunately, regardless of the outcome, it is sure to be appealed by either Apple, or Samsung.

Copied the iPad 2? Is that your example?

Is this an iPad 2? Hint: the iPad was released in 2010.

https://encrypted.go...oto+tablet+2006

http://www.engadget....s-movies-music/



And what about the fact Apple had to publicly apologize to Samsung?

https://encrypted.go...%20to%20samsung


I suppose that counts for nothing, legally, or public relations wise?


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[WinTard]

karthiq, on 26 December 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

I feel both are at fault. Apple for suing over silly things and samsung copying silly things

I respect your feelings.

My interpretation differs significantly from your 'naive' perspective. I think Apple spends way too much efforts and money into pre-emptive litigation, with the purpose to cripple the competition in silly red-tape -- to maximize their own profits. But that only works for a short while. As evidenced by the drop in AAPL's stock prices from $705.07 down to a low of $505.15 yesterday. Hey $188 billion dollars lost from AAPL market cap in less than 3 months. What does that mean? Food for thought?



Just because some punk claims you stole 'his' design doesn't make it so. So if you were being called a thief, would you stay silent, petrified, and look at the floor? Or would you fight back?

I've said it all along since I've joined PC World forums back in January 2009, the one company Apple cannot and should not take on for a fight, is Samsung. I'll dig it up someday.

Now look at what is happening in reality. Most of Apple patents are 'design' patents, focusing on 'silly' look and feel. But nothing technically significant behind.

How much technical R&D does Apple spends per year? How much does it cost to design a Louis Vuitton handbag? Or the Swiss Railways clock?

According to this Global Innovation 1000: Top 20 R&D Spenders 2004-2011, Apple isn't even on the list. Sorry. Just facts. Only facts.

http://www.booz.com/...-20-rd-spenders


Now just wait for Samsung to go on the offensive. So far, they only defended the slanderous claims from Apple.


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He who puts up with insult invites injury.
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This post has been edited by WinTard: 28 December 2012 - 04:56 AM

[Stevles]

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karthiq said

ShaneHubble said

kellyi said
Samsung is every bit as big a patent troll as Apple. Sort of. Samsung doesn't initiate the brawls, they retaliate to law suits leveraged against them with their own - Apple goes around picking fights, they start every fight. Dont be naive. Eh, karthiq: "Do what I say. But don't do what I do?" In case you didn't know, you may be the naïve one. Or maybe even worse. Speaking of patent trolls: Did you know Apple 'patented' a curved glass screen, yet doesn't produce nor uses any in their entire current line of products on the market? https://encrypted.go...ient=psy-ab&q=apple patent curved glass But, but, isn't the Google Samsung Nexus phone already using a curved (Corning Gorilla) screen? Isn't that prior art? Isn't it obvious to those skilled in the art? What about a lightbulb, or glass of wine? https://encrypted.go...s curved screen Hm, smells just like the 'breakthrough' 'revolutionary' 'amazing' 'magical' pinch-zoom #1 Holy Apple patent that just got invalidated by the USPTO? http://www.groklaw.n...121219174625546 Or how about this other Apple Multi-Touch omnipotent patent being disqualified? http://www.groklaw.n...121207183905277 Methinks this yet another weak Apple patented non-innovation that won't go very far, not if, but when challenged legally in court. Only in the US, the land of ambulance chasers and similar parasites... Curved glass and prior art eh? ~~~~~~~~~~~ Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss. ~ Robert A. Heinlein He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. ~ Winston Churchill An honest man speaks the truth, though it may give offence; a vain man, in order that it may. ~ William Hazlitt

Best god damn opinion, ever.
Apple have lost their originality and are funded purely by their fan boy status. They counter this by patenting every single pathetic little thing and then suing anyone who uses anything remotely similar. I honestly don't know who's worse: The people that grant the patents, the people who fund Apple's unoriginal and pathetically outdated technology or the courts who allow this behaviour to continue without consequence.

Apple should be fined or counter sued half the amount they try to weasel out of other companies every time they have a denied case.

Another personal favourite website of mine is this:
http://www.theregist...e_five_reasons/
It speaks so much truth and yet people still fund these scum bags.