[LiveBrianD]

MacNewton, on 27 December 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

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Fake data spewed by Apple fanboys.

Do you honestly believe that? You probably believe that Microsoft did indeed sell 40 million copies of Windows 8. in reality that data is really spewed by Microsoft. What they did is they gave a whole mess of these licenses out for free, and there's so many copies of Windows 8 being distributed like chewing gum why Microsoft's sales advanced team. Next week you'll say they sold 100 million copies. Don't believe me? Wait-and-see

The real question is, how many of those people bought Windows 8 because it was cheap and wanted to try it out, and didn't end up keeping it? After all, it has 3/5 star reviews on newegg across the board.

[MichaelPfeiffer]

How about rename Windows 8 to "Windows Touch8" or something and then make Windows 8 have a desktop Start Menu, etc. and call it "Windows Desktop8"...... I don't see why Microsoft would try to combine 2 separate OS into one.

Windows 8 is great on a tablet but why Microsoft would try to put that on a desktop is quite confusing

Apple has 2 separate operating systems for their devices. Did Microsoft think that Apple had combined Mac OSX and iOS? I'm not saying that Apple has done the right thing, but they are currently leading the tablet market and still have a strong share with the Macs.

[StevenSinofsky]

MichaelPfeiffer, on 28 December 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

How about rename Windows 8 to "Windows Touch8" or something and then make Windows 8 have a desktop Start Menu, etc. and call it "Windows Desktop8"...... I don't see why Microsoft would try to combine 2 separate OS into one.

Windows 8 is great on a tablet but why Microsoft would try to put that on a desktop is quite confusing

Apple has 2 separate operating systems for their devices. Did Microsoft think that Apple had combined Mac OSX and iOS? I'm not saying that Apple has done the right thing, but they are currently leading the tablet market and still have a strong share with the Macs.

Hey - Windows 8 is a masterpiece!

[RenzoLazarte]

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Windows 8 is the worst version of Windows that I have ever used - and I've used Windows since 3.0. It is a royal pain in the rear, counterintuitive, annoying, time consuming. IE 10 is also a nuisance. I don't know if the problems with IE 10 are a direct result of Windows 8 or are independent. Office has been a pain since the ribbon was added in Office 2007. None of the changes Microsoft has made has been for the benefit of users, especially those who have used Windows for many years. Unless Apple has screwed up their OS, my next (and subsequent computers) will be Macs. I'm retired and no longer need Windows for work compatibility. I would be very happy to see Ballmer and his band of goons go belly up.

then go mac and sftu

[karthiq]

I hope MS irons out issues if any, with windows 9.

I personally am hoping for the second generation xps 12 (i usually dont try to buy the first issue of any device) with windows 9.

[karthiq]

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Windows 8 is the worst version of Windows that I have ever used - and I've used Windows since 3.0. It is a royal pain in the rear, counterintuitive, annoying, time consuming. IE 10 is also a nuisance. I don't know if the problems with IE 10 are a direct result of Windows 8 or are independent. Office has been a pain since the ribbon was added in Office 2007. None of the changes Microsoft has made has been for the benefit of users, especially those who have used Windows for many years. Unless Apple has screwed up their OS, my next (and subsequent computers) will be Macs. I'm retired and no longer need Windows for work compatibility. I would be very happy to see Ballmer and his band of goons go belly up. then go mac and sftu

Dont take it personally

[douglas45dfd]

I'm typing this comment from my MS Surface, which is quite possibly the crappiest tablet on the market.

Frequently, the tablet would think that the touch keyboard is not connected even though it is. When that happens, no amount of disconnecting/reconnecting would work. Only a reboot would fix the problem.

Also frequently, the tablet would think that the micro SD just ejected itself, and then think minutes later that it magically reinserted itself.

The magnetic power connector is a joke.

The browser does not run in the background. When I am listening to music at grooveshark, audio would stop when I start using other apps. Hmm, there are hardly any useful apps.

The desktop mode is a joke. You would need a stylus to make use of those tiny drop down menus. MS is still trying to sell us the tablet pc concept from 10 years ago.

When I showed the tablet to my wife, she had two things to say:

- what's up with the sharp edges?

- what's up with the kiddie interface?

I'm not surprised that the market has largely ignored this stupid tablet called Surface.

[schuck6566]

WINDOWS 8
Windows 8's uptake falls behind Vista's pace / RELATED STORIES

Windows 8's early uptake trumps Vista's

Windows 8 uptake remains listless after public launch.... OooooKay... WHICH IS IT???? THREE stories,on the SAME page of the SAME mag that USE to be reliable. Maybe we SHOULDN'T have changed PCWorlds look loke Microsoft changed Windows?? SOMETHINGS should be left the way they work BEST! (shakes head in sorrow)

[schuck6566]

lol,sorry 4 the typo,& before ANYONE says anything about trying a system first,ect,ect,I've installed 8 on two different machines.Any improvement resource wise was lost in the need to learn a new OS. It basicly how I imagine left handed people feel dealing with a world where everything is set up for RIGHT handed people,but in reverse.

[1ndian]

I wish Microsoft had introduced Windows 8 Touch and Windows 8 Desktop (like another poster suggested). MS was able to correct Vista Mistake without much damage. But, now, situation is different with tablets and smarts phones all around that are more practical for most users. MS is confusing the average user with larger than life Windows trade mark and fine printed RT tags. Bad move. Most customer calls will be "where is my start menu?". They should have opted for a brand new name for their new os. Since they were giving windows 7 life till 2020, they had enough time to get all apps ported to the new os.

I used Windows 8 and Metro doesn't seem like a practical interface, at least, not on a non-touch device. It's very difficult to know which tile is what when they are dynamically updating. For example, Bing, Travel, News, etc... Though I appreciate the improvement on overall speed and efficiency of the OS, some improvements doesn't make much sense. For example, I don't understand the need to have file transfer dialog box with so much information including performance graph? For what? I still like Windows XP explorer. I really don't appreciate ribbon on file explorer. takes up most of my ultra portable's screen space. When i minimize it, it's affecting my productivity every time I've to click on it to get to settings. The one introduced in Vista and used till now is not intuitive or much useful. MS need to rethink touch interface and ribbon. metro and ribbon is adding more click to get to a menu item which was previously possible with one click. That's not the right move. The Metro, at present, is a basically a start menu which runs out of control as soon as you have installed your necessary applications. The interface get crowded with links that most users wouldn't need. Many will never learn to remove/arrange them in order. Finding an application link thus becomes frustrating at times (searching for it is easier). I think iOS/Android style folders are more practical. On desktop, the metro really affects the productivity of the user. It looks like MS want everyone to learn shortcuts for now to make it easy around Metro. Same applications have dual personality, e.g., device manager, windows update. These are frustrating. I hope MS add app updates to windows update tool. I would like MS to tweak the same code and make even more streamlined OS for desktop and power users. At the same time, let them have RT version optimized for touch devices. Considering the amount of money MS has put on developing and marketing Win8, I wish they had started a new OS from scratch. That would have been a better excuse than Win8. Windows 8's underlying OS is solid and fluent. They should do more on the interfacing part to make good use of that OS. While doing it, don't insult the intelligence of power users with silly UI. Stop trying to get everything....We are in a consumer controlled market, they don't always take what you think they would take. I really hope they bring the option to keep desktop with start menu in SP1. Otherwise, alternatives are plenty!

[JohnUSA]

To all Windows 8 haters, like myself, be patient.
Microsoft knows they made a huge mistake with the horribly designed Windows 8 and they are now very busy working on the new Windows 9 which maybe released as soon as this coming summer.
Windows 8 is the worst OS I have ever used. It boggles the intelligent mind on how bad Microsoft designed this piece of garbage OS.
Bill Gates needs to take control of his failing company and fire the idiot Steven Ballmer and all responsible Windows 8 designers as they failed miserably.
I will never use the abysmal Windows 8, and I hope Windows 9 will be a good, useful and properly designed OS, otherwise it will be the end of Microsoft.

[berock212]

I still think that windows 8 still has the potential to be successful. The main goal for Windows 8 is to make a dent in the mobile market. Lets face it, Microsoft doesn't need business and desktops users to adopt windows 8, Windows 7 is great and there is no other comparable operating system. Microsoft isn't fending off OS X lion or linux from taking there desktop share. But Microsoft hasn't made a dent in the mobile market yet and for mobile windows 8 is great for mobile. Once windows 8 get apps and hardware it will probably be successful for mobile. Will Windows 8 be successful for desktop, I doubt it.

[WinTard]

berock212, on 29 December 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I still think that windows 8 still has the potential to be successful. The main goal for Windows 8 is to make a dent in the mobile market. Lets face it, Microsoft doesn't need business and desktops users to adopt windows 8, Windows 7 is great and there is no other comparable operating system. Microsoft isn't fending off OS X lion or linux from taking there desktop share. But Microsoft hasn't made a dent in the mobile market yet and for mobile windows 8 is great for mobile. Once windows 8 get apps and hardware it will probably be successful for mobile. Will Windows 8 be successful for desktop, I doubt it.

Personally, I run Windows 8 on all my systems, except for my server which is Microsoft Server 2012, using the exact same codebase as Windows 8. And I have no touch computer yet. That will come as soon as the Microsoft Surface Pro is released, for me at least. Heck, all my Win8 systems directly boot into the desktop. I never use the Modern user interface. Oh and there is no Modern user interface 'apps' under Windows 2012 Server. But there is a Start Screen that works just like in Windows 8. I never use Modern (crippled apps) under Win8. Oops, my bad, I use NetFlix and Skype as a Modern app under Win8.

Win8 (note the version in CMD)


Windows Server 2012


Simply create an event that invokes the desktop first thing when logging in, under Windows 8. It's that simple. Windows Server 2012 boots directly into the desktop.

Windows 8 is what Windows 7 should have been IMHO. Why? Because it's even faster and has more features than Windows 7. No touch required. No Modern UI required either.

The closest thing to the Modern UI under Windows Server 2012 is the start menu. But you get SO much MORE with NT version 6.2.9200!!!!


If you like Win7, you will like Win8. If only for the underlying features, such as Hyper-V and PowerShell. You never need to touch the Modern UI. With PowerShell, you can completely manage Win8 at the command-line level. No need at all for a GUI even. Something impossible under Win7.

This coming from a Command Line Freak such as myself. I simply put the path to Cygwin in to the system path, and all POSIX command line tools under Linux become natively available as well, as a free bonus. Windows 8 just works like a charm!

I have no doubts Windows 8 will be a pure success! Since it quietly marries, mobile, ARM, Intel, ultrabooks, tablets, desktops, workstations, servers and the cloud! Now please tell me one other OS that does all of this? Nope, it ain't Linux, nor Android, much less iOS or OS X. They just have all been leapfrogged, while they were sleeping....

I'll revisit this article in 1 year, just for giggles. By then, the roots will have taken.

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~ George Will

The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be.
~ Paul Valéry

Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.
~ John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963, 35th President of the United States

[compnovo]

WinTard, on 30 December 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Personally, I run Windows 8 on all my systems, except for my server which is Microsoft Server 2012, using the exact same codebase as Windows 8. And I have no touch computer yet. That will come as soon as the Microsoft Surface Pro is released, for me at least. Heck, all my Win8 systems directly boot into the desktop. I never use the Modern user interface. Oh and there is no Modern user interface 'apps' under Windows 2012 Server. But there is a Start Screen that works just like in Windows 8. I never use Modern (crippled apps) under Win8. Oops, my bad, I use NetFlix and Skype as a Modern app under Win8.

Simply create an event that invokes the desktop first thing when logging in, under Windows 8. It's that simple. Windows Server 2012 boots directly into the desktop.

I went ahead and spent the five bucks on Start8 for my desktop (I think my computer budget can handle it), and one of the options is booting directly to desktop mode. It reminds me of the original Windows Powertoys that came out with Win95 (and I used until they stopped releasing it) --- I can have the system set up to my liking with the advantages of the new OS. I'm neither a purist nor a luddite, I'm a computer enthusiast (you'll note I didn't say "IT Specialist") and I'm always going to try the new stuff.

This post has been edited by compnovo: 30 December 2012 - 08:15 AM

[MichaelPfeiffer]

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MichaelPfeiffer said
How about rename Windows 8 to "Windows Touch8" or something and then make Windows 8 have a desktop Start Menu, etc. and call it "Windows Desktop8"...... I don't see why Microsoft would try to combine 2 separate OS into one. Windows 8 is great on a tablet but why Microsoft would try to put that on a desktop is quite confusing Apple has 2 separate operating systems for their devices. Did Microsoft think that Apple had combined Mac OSX and iOS? I'm not saying that Apple has done the right thing, but they are currently leading the tablet market and still have a strong share with the Macs.

Hey - Windows 8 is a masterpiece!

I am not denying that a lot of work has been put into Windows 8, but at the moment, with limited touch-screen devices, I see that it may take a while to kick off, but because it has a low market share at the moment, people may ignore it for the next version of Windows. Windows 7 is the masterpiece....

[WinTard]

MichaelPfeiffer, on 30 December 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

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MichaelPfeiffer said
How about rename Windows 8 to "Windows Touch8" or something and then make Windows 8 have a desktop Start Menu, etc. and call it "Windows Desktop8"...... I don't see why Microsoft would try to combine 2 separate OS into one. Windows 8 is great on a tablet but why Microsoft would try to put that on a desktop is quite confusing Apple has 2 separate operating systems for their devices. Did Microsoft think that Apple had combined Mac OSX and iOS? I'm not saying that Apple has done the right thing, but they are currently leading the tablet market and still have a strong share with the Macs.

Hey - Windows 8 is a masterpiece!

I am not denying that a lot of work has been put into Windows 8, but at the moment, with limited touch-screen devices, I see that it may take a while to kick off, but because it has a low market share at the moment, people may ignore it for the next version of Windows. Windows 7 is the masterpiece....

I've been an early adopter of Windows 7 (Jan 13th 2009) and see history repeat itself. A majority of nay-sayers were then claiming another disaster. Some still do yet say all they need is Windows XP.

My opinion is that Windows 7 is great. Windows 8 is the masterpiece. Unknown yet for most, however.

I've also been running (not reading about) Windows 8 since Sept 13th 2011... And it blew me away. Just like Windows 7 did way, way back then.

Food for thought?

Happy New Year everyone!

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[LiveBrianD]

WinTard, on 31 December 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

I've been an early adopter of Windows 7 (Jan 13th 2009) and see history repeat itself. A majority of nay-sayers were then claiming another disaster. Some still do yet say all they need is Windows XP.

My opinion is that Windows 7 is great. Windows 8 is the masterpiece. Unknown yet for most, however.

I've also been running (not reading about) Windows 8 since Sept 13th 2011... And it blew me away. Just like Windows 7 did way, way back then.

Food for thought?

The problem is that Windows 7's reception was still MUCH more positive than 8's. Granted, part of that is because, back in 2009, XP was getting dated and people were fed up with Vista, while now, people are happy with 7 and see no reason to change. However, the fact that they made things more complicated for no reason and made it hard for people to figure out (again, unnecessarily) definitely hasn't been helping. For instance, I wouldn't mind shelling out $40 for Windows 8 if metro were ONLY a start menu, without all the defaults of things screwed up, and things like shutting down the PC hidden for no reason. However, as it is, that's not happening. I know I can get Start8, but I'd rather not have to rely on 3rd party "patches", in a sense, to fix what Microsoft completely screwed up. By refusing to let people disable the tablet UI, they basically said FU to all the people who would've otherwise been willing to upgrade, thus throwing away plenty of sales.


And if the rumors of Windows Blue having metro say anything, Microsoft still hasn't figured it out. (Shooting yourself in the foot and then wondering why your foot hurts is incredibly stupid, to say the least...) Oh well, their loss...