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[cjohnson44546]

Chitika ? Really? about as reliable as getting the latest gossip from my barber...

[leicaman]

Not surprising. When you have irrelevant amounts of market share, and one tablet is sort of growing (but Amazon won't release numbers because they know they'll be laughed at) so there's a bit of a shift. Just wait until they realize the Kindle Fire is no iPad. They're resent not getting what they really wanted in the first place and keep the Kindle to read books, and get an iPad to do everything else.

[linuxrants7xpg]

leicaman, on 03 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Not surprising. When you have irrelevant amounts of market share, and one tablet is sort of growing (but Amazon won't release numbers because they know they'll be laughed at) so there's a bit of a shift. Just wait until they realize the Kindle Fire is no iPad. They're resent not getting what they really wanted in the first place and keep the Kindle to read books, and get an iPad to do everything else.

How's the weather in 2011? Just so you know, here in "the future" the iPad's market share has dropped from the more than 90% it once enjoyed back in your time to barely over 50% this year, with Android coming up fast. I'm expecting Android to catch the iPad maybe as soon as this year (that's 2013 to those who are still living in the past). We'll have to wait and see. Either way, in our time, Android has much more than an "irrelevant amount" of market share. You should probably remember that. Oh, and just a tip, Apple stock tops out at 705 in September of 2012. If you short it you can make a ton of money. I'll expect half of that fortune you're about to make.

[Sniche68]

Sales are not the reason for the drop in Apple's stock price.
It was the FUD from idiots, for the past decade Apple has had to endure remarks like yours. With the remark you made, Apple would have to reduce its sales by half, stop all development.
There has been experts that have forecast a year ago that Apple would have only 50% of the Tablet market, this now looks as it will be well past 2015 to 2016.
Remember the Galaxy3Gs sold 4million more than the iPhone4s September 4 quarter , the iPhone5 looks like it may triple the 3Gs this quarter.
And your predicting the stocks will take a dive.

[Hologram]

While the headline is certainly cause to rejoice for anyone holding his breath anticipating Apple's demise, Android's gains in the tablet market are laughably insignificant considering this was a VERY tablet Christmas.

[tfmeehan]

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...Just so you know, here in "the future" the iPad's market share has dropped from the more than 90% it once enjoyed back in your time to barely over 50% this year, with Android coming up fast. I'm expecting Android to catch the iPad maybe as soon as this year (that's 2013 to those who are still living in the past). We'll have to wait and see. Either way, in our time, Android has much more than an "irrelevant amount" of market share. You should probably remember that. ...

[tfmeehan]

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...Just so you know, here in "the future" the iPad's market share has dropped from the more than 90% it once enjoyed back in your time to barely over 50% this year, with Android coming up fast. I'm expecting Android to catch the iPad maybe as soon as this year (that's 2013 to those who are still living in the past). We'll have to wait and see. Either way, in our time, Android has much more than an "irrelevant amount" of market share. You should probably remember that. ...

The "drop" in market share is only a plus for Android if it was due to a drop in sales for the iPad, which it wasn't. The market is expanding, so its more of a proportion thing. His "irrelevant" comment, I believe, was based on the idea that if marketshare doesn't translate into profit at some point it doesn't really matter. Here in the future, like the past, Apple is content to cede marketshare while grabbing the lion's share of profits. I believe the saying "laughing all the way to the bank" would be appropriate here.

[Hologram]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 January 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

leicaman, on 03 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Not surprising. When you have irrelevant amounts of market share, and one tablet is sort of growing (but Amazon won't release numbers because they know they'll be laughed at) so there's a bit of a shift. Just wait until they realize the Kindle Fire is no iPad. They're resent not getting what they really wanted in the first place and keep the Kindle to read books, and get an iPad to do everything else.

How's the weather in 2011? Just so you know, here in "the future" the iPad's market share has dropped from the more than 90% it once enjoyed back in your time to barely over 50% this year, with Android coming up fast. I'm expecting Android to catch the iPad maybe as soon as this year (that's 2013 to those who are still living in the past). We'll have to wait and see. Either way, in our time, Android has much more than an "irrelevant amount" of market share. You should probably remember that. Oh, and just a tip, Apple stock tops out at 705 in September of 2012. If you short it you can make a ton of money. I'll expect half of that fortune you're about to make.

Sounds like someone slept through 2012. In 2012, Apple's stock price grew close to 75% to its peak. Despite a significant drop from its peak, Apple still closed the year with a "modest" 31.4% gain. In comparison Google's stock price grew 7.2% during the same period. Sounds like the market share gain by Android is seen as "irrelevant" to Google's future by investors.

Also, don't forget that Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007 whereas Apple grew 2936.5% during the same period. Do you have any more stock tips for us?

By the way, wasn't 2012 the year Apple was going to lose its dominant position in tablets and be crushed by Android and ... Microsoft?

[linuxrants7xpg]

tfmeehan, on 04 January 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

The "drop" in market share is only a plus for Android if it was due to a drop in sales for the iPad, which it wasn't. The market is expanding, so its more of a proportion thing. His "irrelevant" comment, I believe, was based on the idea that if marketshare doesn't translate into profit at some point it doesn't really matter. Here in the future, like the past, Apple is content to cede marketshare while grabbing the lion's share of profits. I believe the saying "laughing all the way to the bank" would be appropriate here.

Really? So Android gaining significant marketshare isn't a plus for Android at all? Hm, so Google isn't getting a whole lot more people using it's services through Google based devices? Google isn't able to present it's ads on more devices (which is their actual product)? With Apple doing everything it can to dump Google services (like removing the Youtube app and creating their own map services), it's a huge plus to get more and more people to buy Google devices. That's a huge plus, and absolutely translates directly into profit for Google, though not directly through device sales. Apple is seen to grab "the lion's share of the profits" because Apple and Google earn their profits from entirely different markets. Apple from device sales, and Google from the ads and services those devices run.

[linuxrants7xpg]

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 January 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

leicaman, on 03 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Not surprising. When you have irrelevant amounts of market share, and one tablet is sort of growing (but Amazon won't release numbers because they know they'll be laughed at) so there's a bit of a shift. Just wait until they realize the Kindle Fire is no iPad. They're resent not getting what they really wanted in the first place and keep the Kindle to read books, and get an iPad to do everything else.

How's the weather in 2011? Just so you know, here in "the future" the iPad's market share has dropped from the more than 90% it once enjoyed back in your time to barely over 50% this year, with Android coming up fast. I'm expecting Android to catch the iPad maybe as soon as this year (that's 2013 to those who are still living in the past). We'll have to wait and see. Either way, in our time, Android has much more than an "irrelevant amount" of market share. You should probably remember that. Oh, and just a tip, Apple stock tops out at 705 in September of 2012. If you short it you can make a ton of money. I'll expect half of that fortune you're about to make.

Sounds like someone slept through 2012. In 2012, Apple's stock price grew close to 75% to its peak. Despite a significant drop from its peak, Apple still closed the year with a "modest" 31.4% gain. In comparison Google's stock price grew 7.2% during the same period. Sounds like the market share gain by Android is seen as "irrelevant" to Google's future by investors.

Quite the contrary, and anybody who actually read what I said would know that. I saw Apple's stock price accelerate stupidly based on products that were inferior to their competition, and I saw people start to realize that the Emperor has no clothes around September. Apple is operating on momentum at this point, and without a major product release that's not just the same thing (only longer) they'll continue to drop. Google has been growing with relative consistency since 2008 based on ever improving products. With it's market dominance in no danger, I'm expecting that to continue to grow at a regular pace. A much more sane pace than what we saw with Apple's stock, which only begs for an equally insane drop.

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Also, don't forget that Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007 whereas Apple grew 2936.5% during the same period. Do you have any more stock tips for us?

Google's stock price at the end of 2008 was in the low 300s, and today it's 736.58 (at the time of writing). Hardly what I would consider "barely higher". Do I have any more stock tips? Sure. Sell aapl if you own it. It's going no where fast.

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

By the way, wasn't 2012 the year Apple was going to lose its dominant position in tablets and be crushed by Android and ... Microsoft?

Not sure, but I do know that the iPad went from +90% of the market to barely over 50%. Microsoft I seriously doubt is going to be competition for either Android or iOS, but I expect Android to continue to grow and iOS's marketshare to continue to shrink.

[Hologram]

linuxrants7xpg, on 04 January 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 January 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

How's the weather in 2011? Just so you know, here in "the future" the iPad's market share has dropped from the more than 90% it once enjoyed back in your time to barely over 50% this year, with Android coming up fast. I'm expecting Android to catch the iPad maybe as soon as this year (that's 2013 to those who are still living in the past). We'll have to wait and see. Either way, in our time, Android has much more than an "irrelevant amount" of market share. You should probably remember that. Oh, and just a tip, Apple stock tops out at 705 in September of 2012. If you short it you can make a ton of money. I'll expect half of that fortune you're about to make.

Sounds like someone slept through 2012. In 2012, Apple's stock price grew close to 75% to its peak. Despite a significant drop from its peak, Apple still closed the year with a "modest" 31.4% gain. In comparison Google's stock price grew 7.2% during the same period. Sounds like the market share gain by Android is seen as "irrelevant" to Google's future by investors.

... I saw Apple's stock price accelerate stupidly based on products that were inferior to their competition, and I saw people start to realize that the Emperor has no clothes around September. Apple is operating on momentum at this point, and without a major product release that's not just the same thing (only longer) they'll continue to drop. Google has been growing with relative consistency since 2008 based on ever improving products. With it's market dominance in no danger, I'm expecting that to continue to grow at a regular pace. A much more sane pace than what we saw with Apple's stock, which only begs for an equally insane drop.

Insofar as those are your opinions, you're entitled to them. They do not accurately reflect reality, as I see it.

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Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Also, don't forget that Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007 whereas Apple grew 2936.5% during the same period. Do you have any more stock tips for us?

Google's stock price at the end of 2008 was in the low 300s, and today it's 736.58 (at the time of writing). Hardly what I would consider "barely higher". Do I have any more stock tips? Sure. Sell aapl if you own it. It's going no where fast.

...."anybody who actually read what I said would know that" I said "...Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007".

re: "Sell aapl if you own it. It's going no where fast."

Yeah, that was supposed to happen in 2010, 2011 and 2012. I'm glad I didn't listen to anybody and stayed with AAPL. Opinions are a dime a dozen, and overvalued at that. If you really thought AAPL was going to flop in 2013 you'd be shorting Apple stock. You ARE doing that, aren't you?

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[linuxrants7xpg]

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Insofar as those are your opinions, you're entitled to them. They do not accurately reflect reality, as I see it.

Not surprising, and you're entitled to your opinion as well, even if they don't reflect reality as I see it.

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Also, don't forget that Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007 whereas Apple grew 2936.5% during the same period. Do you have any more stock tips for us?

linuxrants7xpg said:

Google's stock price at the end of 2008 was in the low 300s, and today it's 736.58 (at the time of writing). Hardly what I would consider "barely higher". Do I have any more stock tips? Sure. Sell aapl if you own it. It's going no where fast.

...."anybody who actually read what I said would know that" I said "...Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007".

Apologies, I misread the year. Arbitrary selection of a particular point in time isn't all the relevant anyway. Oh, wait. Did I say "arbitrary" selection? We both know that's not true. You selected 2007 for a very important reason. 2008 wasn't a good year for the stock market. Was Google alone in that? Of course not. Here's a comparison of stock performance between Apple and Google over the course of 2008:



Not a rosy year for either, with Google dropping just a little bit more than Apple did. If you look at Google's performance prior to 2008, and since, it looks like this:




Pretty solid and steady rise. Very reliable increase over time. See, anybody can try to obfuscate the truth by selecting a particular point to paint an picture that seems like it's worse than it is. I can do that too:

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Yeah, that was supposed to happen in 2010, 2011 and 2012. I'm glad I didn't listen to anybody and stayed with AAPL. Opinions are a dime a dozen, and overvalued at that. If you really thought AAPL was going to flop in 2013 you'd be shorting Apple stock. You ARE doing that, aren't you?

Hm, I don't recall that being the case regarding 2010, 2011, or 2012, but I'm just not feeling motivated enough to go looking stuff up to refute it. My personal portfolio is really none of your business, but yes, I am shorting Apple stock. Even were that not the case, there are a wide range of reasons that don't include a lack of confidence that I might not be. Your seeming insistence that I need to be points to a weakness in your position. Can't stand on the facts?

This post has been edited by linuxrants7xpg: 04 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

[tfmeehan]

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tfmeehan said
The "drop" in market share is only a plus for Android if it was due to a drop in sales for the iPad, which it wasn't. The market is expanding, so its more of a proportion thing. His "irrelevant" comment, I believe, was based on the idea that if marketshare doesn't translate into profit at some point it doesn't really matter. Here in the future, like the past, Apple is content to cede marketshare while grabbing the lion's share of profits. I believe the saying "laughing all the way to the bank" would be appropriate here. Really? So Android gaining significant marketshare isn't a plus for Android at all? Hm, so Google isn't getting a whole lot more people using it's services through Google based devices? Google isn't able to present it's ads on more devices (which is their actual product)? With Apple doing everything it can to dump Google services (like removing the Youtube app and creating their own map services), it's a huge plus to get more and more people to buy Google devices. That's a huge plus, and absolutely translates directly into profit for Google, though not directly through device sales. Apple is seen to grab "the lion's share of the profits" because Apple and Google earn their profits from entirely different markets. Apple from device sales, and Google from the ads and services those devices run.

Comprehension is an important component of reading. I said APPLE'S drop is only a plus for Android if it means a drop in sales. Get it now? Otherwise its just dilution of the market.

But let's talk about the rest of your misguided comment. Naturally, the biggest marketshare means the most developers...no wait, iOS has more...hmmm? Well, it must mean the most ad revenue...oops, again, no. Google actually makes more ad revenue from the iOS platform than it does from its own...higher profits, greater jump in stock value...no, no benefit there, perhaps if we keep looking...

[linuxrants7xpg]

You seriously need to figure out how quotes work in this comment system.

tfmeehan, on 04 January 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

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tfmeehan said
The "drop" in market share is only a plus for Android if it was due to a drop in sales for the iPad, which it wasn't. The market is expanding, so its more of a proportion thing. His "irrelevant" comment, I believe, was based on the idea that if marketshare doesn't translate into profit at some point it doesn't really matter. Here in the future, like the past, Apple is content to cede marketshare while grabbing the lion's share of profits. I believe the saying "laughing all the way to the bank" would be appropriate here. Really? So Android gaining significant marketshare isn't a plus for Android at all? Hm, so Google isn't getting a whole lot more people using it's services through Google based devices? Google isn't able to present it's ads on more devices (which is their actual product)? With Apple doing everything it can to dump Google services (like removing the Youtube app and creating their own map services), it's a huge plus to get more and more people to buy Google devices. That's a huge plus, and absolutely translates directly into profit for Google, though not directly through device sales. Apple is seen to grab "the lion's share of the profits" because Apple and Google earn their profits from entirely different markets. Apple from device sales, and Google from the ads and services those devices run.

Comprehension is an important component of reading. I said APPLE'S drop is only a plus for Android if it means a drop in sales. Get it now? Otherwise its just dilution of the market.

I read (and comprehended) what you said. You actually didn't say "APPLE'S", you said "The", as in "The drop". Regardless, it's immaterial. If Apple's sales drop and Android sales increase, it's a plus for Android. Even if Apple's sales don't drop, it's still a plus for Android because Android sales are going up.

tfmeehan, on 04 January 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

But let's talk about the rest of your misguided comment. Naturally, the biggest marketshare means the most developers...no wait, iOS has more...hmmm? Well, it must mean the most ad revenue...oops, again, no. Google actually makes more ad revenue from the iOS platform than it does from its own...higher profits, greater jump in stock value...no, no benefit there, perhaps if we keep looking...

Hm, I thought we were going to talk about my comment. Obviously that's not the case since I made none of those claims. Is that suppose to be an example of that reading comprehension you find so important?

[tfmeehan]

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Hm, I thought we were going to talk about my comment. Obviously that's not the case since I made none of those claims. Is that suppose to be an example of that reading comprehension you find so important?

Hmmm, weren't you talking about the pluses of Android marketshare? I read some of your responses to others. I guess you're just having a hard time keeping your nonsense straight.

[linuxrants7xpg]

tfmeehan, on 04 January 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

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Hm, I thought we were going to talk about my comment. Obviously that's not the case since I made none of those claims. Is that suppose to be an example of that reading comprehension you find so important?

Hmmm, weren't you talking about the pluses of Android marketshare? I read some of your responses to others. I guess you're just having a hard time keeping your nonsense straight.

I'm having no problems keeping my statements straight, and I don't appreciate you incorrectly attributing your delusions to me. How about you try responding to what I say? You think you can manage that?

[Hologram]

linuxrants7xpg, on 04 January 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Insofar as those are your opinions, you're entitled to them. They do not accurately reflect reality, as I see it.

Not surprising, and you're entitled to your opinion as well, even if they don't reflect reality as I see it.

I'm flattered, and thank you for so graciously agreeing with me.

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Also, don't forget that Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007 whereas Apple grew 2936.5% during the same period. Do you have any more stock tips for us?

linuxrants7xpg said:

Google's stock price at the end of 2008 was in the low 300s, and today it's 736.58 (at the time of writing). Hardly what I would consider "barely higher". Do I have any more stock tips? Sure. Sell aapl if you own it. It's going no where fast.

...."anybody who actually read what I said would know that" I said "...Google's stock price is just barely higher today than where it was at the end of 2007".

Apologies, I misread the year. Arbitrary selection of a particular point in time isn't all the relevant anyway. Oh, wait. Did I say "arbitrary" selection? We both know that's not true. You selected 2007 for a very important reason. 2008 wasn't a good year for the stock market. Was Google alone in that? Of course not. Here's a comparison of stock performance between Apple and Google over the course of 2008:

Not a rosy year for either, with Google dropping just a little bit more than Apple did. If you look at Google's performance prior to 2008, and since, it looks like this:

[... images snipped for brevity ... see previous posts for images]

Pretty solid and steady rise. Very reliable increase over time. See, anybody can try to obfuscate the truth by selecting a particular point to paint an picture that seems like it's worse than it is. I can do that too:

[... images snipped etc. ...]

Yes, I selected end 2007 for a reason but not the one you stated. I chose that date to point out that Google's stock price is virtually the same today as it was five years ago. Sorry if you found that "obfuscating". It wasn't my intention to confuse you.

The following graph will hopefully help clarify things as it shows relative growth of AAPL versus GOOG since the latter's IPO.



As you can see, GOOG is dead in the water, relatively speaking despite Android's market share gains over the last year or so.

This post has been edited by Hologram: 05 January 2013 - 01:51 AM

[Hologram]

linuxrants7xpg, on 04 January 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Hologram, on 04 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Yeah, [...the end of Apple's meteoric rise...] was supposed to happen in 2010, 2011 and 2012. I'm glad I didn't listen to anybody and stayed with AAPL. Opinions are a dime a dozen, and overvalued at that. If you really thought AAPL was going to flop in 2013 you'd be shorting Apple stock. You ARE doing that, aren't you?

Hm, I don't recall that being the case regarding 2010, 2011, or 2012, but I'm just not feeling motivated enough to go looking stuff up to refute it. My personal portfolio is really none of your business, but yes, I am shorting Apple stock. Even were that not the case, there are a wide range of reasons that don't include a lack of confidence that I might not be. Your seeming insistence that I need to be points to a weakness in your position. Can't stand on the facts?

Then you'll have to trust me on that one as I recall those predictions very well.

When you go around recommending people take action, i.e. short AAPL based on your opinion even in retrospect, then how you manage your personal portfolio becomes of interest. Acting upon your own recommendations demonstrates your confidence in your position. If you shorted AAPL at its peak, good for you, that was pretty smart. If you didn't, why should anyone listen to your recommendations?

[linuxrants7xpg]

Hologram, on 05 January 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

Yes, I selected end 2007 for a reason but not the one you stated. I chose that date to point out that Google's stock price is virtually the same today as it was five years ago. Sorry if you found that "obfuscating". It wasn't my intention to confuse you.

The following graph will hopefully help clarify things as it shows relative growth of AAPL versus GOOG since the latter's IPO.

<<chart>>

As you can see, GOOG is dead in the water, relatively speaking despite Android's market share gains over the last year or so.

Sorry, but a company that's shown solid and steady increase since 2009 is not "dead in the water". Further, I'd say that it's a more solid investment than Apple at this point. Apple as a company has a stagnant product line, and has lost almost 25% of their stock value over the last 3 months. There's no indications that Apple is going to be putting out anything interesting in the near future. I'm expecting Apple to continue to decline, and Google to continue to steadily climb.