[bobc4012]

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Bulldogg, what you wrote is Bull$h1t times XX.

Gergel, there was nothing untruthful about what Bulldog posted. If you are going to post nonsense, at least identify what you believe to be wrong and what is the actual fact (fact - not your belief). You must be one of those Microsoft employees who troll the internet spreading FUD.

[Mattypoo]

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Bla bla bla.. no start button.. that I haven't used in years.. bla bla.. The metro interface confuses me and makes my brain hurt with all the information.. bla bla OSX... bla bla lets go back to XP.. bla bla nothing should ever change and remain stagnant.. like the OSX interface.. bla bla.. It's called change, get used to it or get left behind.

Yeah just like how we all switched over from XP to Vista, get with times people!

[KLanD]

Mattypoo, on 15 February 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

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Bla bla bla.. no start button.. that I haven't used in years.. bla bla.. The metro interface confuses me and makes my brain hurt with all the information.. bla bla OSX... bla bla lets go back to XP.. bla bla nothing should ever change and remain stagnant.. like the OSX interface.. bla bla.. It's called change, get used to it or get left behind.

Yeah just like how we all switched over from XP to Vista, get with times people!

And then to Windows 7.. yes, it's exactly like that.

[bcodigitaldog]

How to learn Win8 UI? Simple - corners are live. Win7 - Win8 upgrade leaves whole system intact with things like Quick Launch menu, and traditional desktop layout. Start Screen Desktop Launch icon (a big one!) appears on the 'Metro' UI. Click - whosh ... ta-da! Windows 8 is wicked fast. Boots faster; shuts down faster. Integrated malware defense. Rootkit defense. For die-hards, world is full of new Win7 machines - see Dell.com, for example, if you want older Win7 tech. Win 8 split-screen (Metro + Win7 Desktop) is cool and convenient. Win8 notifications (eg, new email) pop up on Win7 desktop for convenience. New Win8 Task Mgr has some nice upgrades. All my apps - esp VirtualBox w/Linux VMs, Eclispse, Cygwin, env-vars - came right up after Win8 upgrade on HP i7 Notebook orig Win7. Did not lose any Win7 apps or settings on upgrade. Printers worked; no driver re-installs. Logitech T650 adds 'multi-touch pad' to non-touch devices/desktops - a great add. Win8 dual monitor support works great (as did Win7 - but now Taskbar can extend across both monitors with Win8!). Also, can have Win8 on one screen and Win7-like traditional desktop on other! Both worlds at once. Pinning Apps to Taskbar (and removal) is easy - appear on both monitors' taskbars. Win7--Win8 Homegroup networking works fine. Live tiles are the real deal. Like the 'cordless phone', you won't know you wanted these until you get them - look for Apple and Android to 'catch up' here sooner than later. Start screen is easier to navigate (and configure) than old Win7 Start Menu -- easier to find things, and user-selectable sizes for Start Screen Icons creates personal-portal like experience. I have four Windows boxes - only one still runs Win7 (darn, missed the upgrade deadline on that one!). I also SysAdmin Apple boxes and iDevices and own an Android Phone and Tablet, so I've seen it all. Microsoft will do fine with this Windows 8. When all the noise dies down; when Journalists begin to acknowledge that Office is included free on a Surface RT (in the $499 price); when they disclose that a $499 iPad has 11GB free yet a $499 Surface RT has 23GB free; when touch-fans tire of reading and sending five- to ten-word emails; when the Google Play and Apple Store treasure-troves are recognized as 100,000's of redundant, confusing, me-too apps; when the Surface microSD expansion slot is recognized as a unique value add; when someone sees their 16GB thumb drive inserted into the full-size USB port of a Surface tablet (!), or an external HD connected, for that matter; when the included video port is leveraged ... when any/all of that happens - Microsoft will do fine.

[KillBill]

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Bla bla bla.. no start button.. that I haven't used in years.. bla bla.. The metro interface confuses me and makes my brain hurt with all the information.. bla bla OSX... bla bla lets go back to XP.. bla bla nothing should ever change and remain stagnant.. like the OSX interface.. bla bla.. It's called change, get used to it or get left behind. Yeah just like how we all switched over from XP to Vista, get with times people!

Spoken like a true member of the sheeple. When change (whether Obama or Microsoft) is crap, it is still crap. Microsoft doesn't pay attention to the market, they try to shove there garbage down your throat. 8 is crap, vista was crap, the ribbon is still crap, yeah we are used to it, but it is not intuitive. What we need is REAL change. Unlike you who lap up whatever Bill or Apple dish into your bowl, the rest of us want an operating system that is user friendly for fun, family and yes WORK. The biggest problem with 8, is that you have to "work around" metro to get any REAL WORK done. It seems that MS wants to eventually boot the desktop in favor of metro, the utilitarian, 1984 style, ugly boring interface. There whole goal here is to try to go against Android and IOS (phone and tablet version) and hoepfully rule the world. MS and Apple have spent their entire histories trying to own the computing world cradle to grave. Steve and Bill were as bad as the robber barons of old (Rockefeller, Carnegie, et al) if not worse. Now don't get me wrong, I am not one to rail against capitalism, but I do take exception to those who pretend to be "far left collectivists" to pander to their hollywood and Harvard friends, and behave in the most egregious manner towards competitors and customers alike. Windows 8 is crap, a steaming pile. Someone needs to step in and build a new operating system based on linux. There were two kings of OS. One is dead, it is time to depose the other.

[brainout]

KillBill, on 05 March 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

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Bla bla bla.. no start button.. that I haven't used in years.. bla bla.. The metro interface confuses me and makes my brain hurt with all the information.. bla bla OSX... bla bla lets go back to XP.. bla bla nothing should ever change and remain stagnant.. like the OSX interface.. bla bla.. It's called change, get used to it or get left behind. Yeah just like how we all switched over from XP to Vista, get with times people!

Spoken like a true member of the sheeple. When change (whether Obama or Microsoft) is crap, it is still crap. Microsoft doesn't pay attention to the market, they try to shove there garbage down your throat. 8 is crap, vista was crap, the ribbon is still crap, yeah we are used to it, but it is not intuitive. What we need is REAL change. Unlike you who lap up whatever Bill or Apple dish into your bowl, the rest of us want an operating system that is user friendly for fun, family and yes WORK. The biggest problem with 8, is that you have to "work around" metro to get any REAL WORK done. It seems that MS wants to eventually boot the desktop in favor of metro, the utilitarian, 1984 style, ugly boring interface. There whole goal here is to try to go against Android and IOS (phone and tablet version) and hoepfully rule the world. MS and Apple have spent their entire histories trying to own the computing world cradle to grave. Steve and Bill were as bad as the robber barons of old (Rockefeller, Carnegie, et al) if not worse. Now don't get me wrong, I am not one to rail against capitalism, but I do take exception to those who pretend to be "far left collectivists" to pander to their hollywood and Harvard friends, and behave in the most egregious manner towards competitors and customers alike. Windows 8 is crap, a steaming pile. Someone needs to step in and build a new operating system based on linux. There were two kings of OS. One is dead, it is time to depose the other.

Rockfeller and Carnegie actually benefitted the country. Add in Vanderbilt. You'd not have nationwide transport of convenience and low-cost, without those guys. One can say that computing achievement by Microsoft in the earlier years, was of like import. So that's what capitalism does.

But the heart of capitalism, is listening to the customer, and giving him what he wants, within the boundaries of what you can afford to make and profit on. MS stopped doing that. I would LOVE to give them my money, but they make garbage, now, just as you note here in your post. Their products are BAD, now. The proof of that, is lower sales as really now it's a battle of MS against MS, the FORMER products MS made, being used rather than 'upgrading' them to the garbage of today.

So I wish MS were more capitalistic. Only then will it make more money.

Linux has the same problem, as MS. All about false 'doing what's good for you', rather than giving you the freedom you want. If you want my donations, Linux community, then build a better product. You've come far, but are still too full of your self-righteousness. You and MS and probably Apple are all too full of yourselves. So what do we the customers, do? We stay on the older stuff that WORKED. Older Linux, older MS, older Apple. That's why tablets became popular, we are sick of the bugs and complexities you all impose on us.

Vote on this comment and on Kill Bill's, if you agree. Maybe someday someone will read them.

[mountianwitch]

I've used Windows since Windows 95 and until I upgraded from Vista to Windows 8 Pro, I thought Millennium was the worst MS OS ever developed. I stand corrected. (if 8 is better than 7 all I can do is pity the peeps who have it) Believe it or not I do 3rd and 4th level software support for a Windows based system so I'm not exactly a novice, but OMG who was the idiot who design this nightmare? 3 hours into trying to find stuff to update drivers for my video card I went to see if there was an update that I needed, and sure enough there were 32 critical upgrades even though my last up grade had only occurred 1 hour and 55 minutes before.
I'm sure MS will fix things and offer these fixes at a minimum cost to the user. (remember Windows 98 vs. Windows 98 SE)
I was (and still am) in the market for a middle of the road personal computer to replace my current one and was waiting on the tablets to get a few more kinks worked out. So now I'll get a Mac (who's monitor is fantastic) and keep my current pc as a spare for when people come visit.

[alex206]

So there's a desktop, and a start button? Then WTF is this "noise" all about?

[WinTard]

alex206, on 21 March 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

So there's a desktop, and a start button? Then WTF is this "noise" all about?

Hey welcome alex206!

Finally a breath of fresh air and common sense! Don't worry alex, this community is unfortunately filled with bozos and an army of paid-for shills hell bent on spreading FUD+BS about anything and everything that doesn't fit with their puny, narrow views. Pay no attention to them. Do not feed the trolls!

But here you will also find many great, knowledgeable and helpful members too. Please learn, share and enjoy!

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Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
~ Oscar Wilde (Irish Poet, Novelist, Dramatist and Critic, 1854-1900)

Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing.
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

The best things in life are free; it’s the worst things that are expensive.
~ Uncommon Sense

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
~ Albert Einstein

Common sense is instinct. Enough of it is Genius.
~ George Bernard Shaw

Common sense is not so common.
~ Voltaire

[WinTard]

How's that for a report card?

All my computers systems are running Windows 8 Pro. And I still have five personal spare licenses left (purchased when the $39 promo was going on). All my friends who purchased computers since November 2012 are running Windows 8 and are delighted by it.

Come on people, tell us what you are doing with your computers, which OS you are running, how and why?

Then I will show you how I (and anybody else for that matter) can do it better in Windows 8!

• Better performance
• Better acquisition cost (Hardware/Software)
• Better security
• Better satisfaction

Regardless of the OS you currently use (unless it is already Win8), all Linux/Unix and iOS included!

Fair challenge?

Any takers? Come on! Isn't this a place for interesting technical discussions? With independently verifiable backing proof? Otherwise, they are mere worthless opinions, biases, and that is a slippery slope towards lies + FUD + BS.

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If you want to annoy your neighbors, tell the truth about them.
~ Pietro Aretino

We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.
~ Winston Churchill

Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.
~ Dale Carnegie

The key to success is to focus our conscious mind on things we desire not things we fear.
~ Brian Tracy

A mediocre person tells. A good person explains. A superior person demonstrates. A great person inspires others to see for themselves.
~ Harvey Mackay

[LiveBrianD]

alex206, on 21 March 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

So there's a desktop, and a start button? Then WTF is this "noise" all about?

Oh, just stuff that makes perfect sense, like two task managers in the same OS, controls with no indication that they exist whatsoever on the tablet side, throwing the user into tablet apps by default even if they're using a desktop (like the vast majority of users, by far), etc. You know, all the good design decisions that are leading to 3/5 star reviews everywhere and plenty of people going out of their way to get 7 on new machines?

I've considered upgrading to 8 on the netbook (since that's only an E350) for performance reasons, but I'm still not sure if I'll bother. (possibly using start8 to get the tablet stuff out of the way) I'm definitely more hesitant with that than I would be had they listened to the users (the things people were saying ever since the early betas) and adjusted things accordingly... I'm hoping they got the hint with Blue anyway - I'm open to upgrading to that if they figured it out.

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 21 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

[audzk]

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Bla bla bla.. no start button.. that I haven't used in years.. bla bla.. The metro interface confuses me and makes my brain hurt with all the information.. bla bla OSX... bla bla lets go back to XP.. bla bla nothing should ever change and remain stagnant.. like the OSX interface.. bla bla.. It's called change, get used to it or get left behind. Yeah just like how we all switched over from XP to Vista, get with times people! Spoken like a true member of the sheeple. When change (whether Obama or Microsoft) is crap, it is still crap. Microsoft doesn't pay attention to the market, they try to shove there garbage down your throat. 8 is crap, vista was crap, the ribbon is still crap, yeah we are used to it, but it is not intuitive. What we need is REAL change. Unlike you who lap up whatever Bill or Apple dish into your bowl, the rest of us want an operating system that is user friendly for fun, family and yes WORK. The biggest problem with 8, is that you have to "work around" metro to get any REAL WORK done. It seems that MS wants to eventually boot the desktop in favor of metro, the utilitarian, 1984 style, ugly boring interface. There whole goal here is to try to go against Android and IOS (phone and tablet version) and hoepfully rule the world. MS and Apple have spent their entire histories trying to own the computing world cradle to grave. Steve and Bill were as bad as the robber barons of old (Rockefeller, Carnegie, et al) if not worse. Now don't get me wrong, I am not one to rail against capitalism, but I do take exception to those who pretend to be "far left collectivists" to pander to their hollywood and Harvard friends, and behave in the most egregious manner towards competitors and customers alike. Windows 8 is crap, a steaming pile. Someone needs to step in and build a new operating system based on linux. There were two kings of OS. One is dead, it is time to depose the other.

with your username alone, i think you are the sheep and fanatic