What's With All The Chromebooks?
Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:43 PM
Notice Chromebook is #19. #19 best-selling electronics for a laptop should be #1 best-selling laptop, yes? Especially as the #1 laptop, MacBook Pro, is #52 in electronics.
But no, the answer is Amazon has it in a different category:
Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:14 PM
There are only two possible explanations - either it is sold or was temporarily out because of increasing demand, or Amazon has reclassified it as an electronic device rather than a laptop as you suggest. If it has been reclassified, then why has Amazon not reclassified the 3G model as an electronic device as well? Is it selling far too well to be classified as a laptop perhaps, and therefore elevated to the best selling category of all electronic devices instead?
Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:23 PM
Amazon looks like they are working on a Chromebook-specific category. I assume the rest of the models will be moved there in time.
Chromebook is still #3 best-selling in "computers and accessories" as well
Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:58 PM
A matter of opinion! Were they ever "alive"? Lol.
Like Netbooks, manufacturers know they can move a few "cheap and cheerfuls" to keep production on the move, but I'm certain they are not banking on them.
They fill a void for now - but they will soon be doorstops once the next fad begins.
Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:08 PM
Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:23 PM
So too, the Acer netbooks still fetch prices as high or higher than I paid for my first Acer netbook back in 2008 from Walmart; it was on XP, not Vista. One 10.1" Acer netbook is #19 in the top 100, at Amazon, for last 27 days. It has only 1 GB RAM, Atom processor, just like 2008's versions. So too, the tiny Dell Inspirons in dellauction, though again you can't get it that small, from what I've seen (and searched, repeatedly). By contrast, the 11.6" Acer Chromebook of the same price but somewhat better specs, is at #52. Ooopsie: that's the first Chromebook in the list.
Easier to use a netbook, more flexible and powerful, than any Chromebook. Smaller is better. Right in between a tablet and a laptop, capable of replacing a desktop for normal content creation (not good for CAD or Photoshop or HD videos requiring 720p, only because too slow).
Google is fickle about supporting its OS or the software it creates, and it's also annoyingly too quick on the trigger to change the interface. Youtubers are always faced with changes that are dysfunctional and UNintuitive, every week now. I'd NEVER buy anything in software, which Google makes. Cloud computing is an accident waiting to happen. Google's own programming of its Chrome disabled Chrome on my XP machine, simply because I had a gmail account stored in Outlook Express, on the day of its own blackout. Can't reinstall Chrome on that machine to this day. (My other XP and Win7 machines weren't affected, because I didn't use them that day.) I have no idea what's still on the machine to prevent reinstallation. But then, Chrome is the least useful among browsers. It's great for cookie-handling, which makes it stay in the game.
So why would I want my computing to depend on Google, on the cloud, paying the same money as I'd pay for a netbook, which does far MORE? Puleese.
This post has been edited by brainout: 04 February 2013 - 04:36 PM
Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:50 PM
A smarter approach might be to ask just what market niche these products fill since there clearly is one. Low cost, web-centric, reasonable battery life, wifi, with a keyboard and reasonable screen size? What's the problem?
Spec geeks will say these systems are underpowered, but that's crap. They clearly meet the "good enough" standard for some people.
The real unspoken problem is that they put downward pressure on prices and, more specifically, profits. This is certainly a problem for the industry, but hardly for consumers. Since we live in a market-driven world, the only reason to get rid of this product segment is to (perhaps illegally) stifle competition.
Let's at least call a spade a spade.
Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:44 PM
The market is multi-faceted.
There are price-sensitive customers. I think this is an overwhelming majority of new Chromebook users. One user in the Chromebook forum noted that their electronic devices consisted of a tracfone, an iPod touch, a Nexus 7, and a Chromebook. It is difficult to argue that a user could be better served by a different device combination for the same price.
There are the people who have taken to cloud computing whole hog. These people range in technical ability from novice to expert. The common thread is they like aspects of cloud computing that fit their computing needs whether it is scalability, data portability, month-to-month subscriptions, and/or timely system updates. These customers likely represent the bulk of early Chromebook adopters.
There are people who have brand loyalty for Google search and/or Google Docs. This is an unpredictable category as there are for instance other customers who are loyal to Microsoft for software that have no loyalty to Bing. There are also loyal Chrome users not attracted to ChromeOS although most ChromeOS users are likely to be loyal users of Chrome on other OS.
There are linux users. I would argue this is a fraction of Chromebook users as not all linux users appreciate cloud computing. Many linux users love to hug their servers(/laptops) and don't quite "get it" when it comes to computing power that is not delivered in a cardboard box. That said, many linux users have long awaited the "stateless" distro and "asset-light" computing as can be seen from the many previous (unpopular) attempts at this prior to Chromebook.
There are casual Windows users simply tired of malware and bloatware. This is probably a growing segment which intersects with Google-loyal and cloud computing users.
There are Mac users who are not fanatics to the point of not buying anything else (e.g. the majority of Mac owners) who consider Chromebooks because of the weight and price.
The conversation in most blogs appears to be "Windows 8 sucks, therefore Chromebooks," but I think this entirely misses the mark. Most stories I've read on the Internet about people considering Chromebooks make no mention of Windows 8 (the choice is usually weighed against some 2008-ish refurbished laptop). I also think the "secondary device" conversation is off as for many people who end up buying Chromebooks, whatever other computer they have then becomes their secondary device.
This is all my subjective opinion of course.
Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:17 PM
With no internet connection on the Chromebook, you can still use the word processor, compose emails, access your calendar, play games, and use all sorts of other "offline apps," and everything will sync when your internet connection is restored. This isn't the Chromebook of 2 years ago; Chrome OS has come a long way.
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:48 AM
No, I agree. Chromebooks have their place. In fact, I recently recommended my mom pick one up—everything she does is on the 'Net, and none of it is particularly strenuous. (She even does her basic photo editing on Walgreens' website, sigh.) A Chromebook would be perfect for her. A Windows PC wouldn't work for her if it was disconnected from the Net, either.
Still, unless you get a Chromebook for its MSRP (which you can't do on Amazon these days), there is little reason to get one over a cheap Windows PC. A Windows PC is just as simple as a Chromebook if all you use it for is surfing the Web, and it's capable of so much more. You can buy several 15.6-inch Windows laptops with 4GB of RAM and a 320GB hard drive for under $300 these days, and they have similar or better processors than Chromebooks. (And Windows 7, bypassing all the Win8/Chromebook talk others mentioned ;-)
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:26 AM
The thing is, Linux was on about 40% (against XP) of first generation netbooks but failed - it was more profitable for the OEMs but wasn't ready for prime time, and became a serious support headache and customer turn off. Microsoft terminated XP, W7 is too demanding for netbook specs, and with the advent of better performing ARM tablets, netbooks died.
Chromebooks now bury Linux OS under the browser, so the netbook price point and margin can be kept without purchasing Windows and everybody knows how to use a browser, so the tech support nightmares aren't there. Anybody running Linux can have a "Chromebook" by simply installing Chrome browser and ignoring everything else the machine can do (and do wrong).
Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:03 AM
This post was written on my Samsung Chromebook, which has become my primary computer because it is fast, easy, light, and enjoyable to use.
Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:07 AM
This is very misleading. The reality is that the demand for Chromebooks is so high that they've created an entire new category for them. It would still be in the #1 spot under "laptops" if Chrombooks were still listed there.
Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:59 PM
1. 110 days in the top 100
Samsung Chromebook (Wi-Fi, 11.6-Inch)
4.1 out of 5 stars (936)
Until supply caught up with demand, Chromebooks were selling above MSRP.
Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:03 PM
This is a common misconception, and it's completely wrong. Chromebooks have built-in security far beyond the default in Linux.
Chrome OS updates are also simpler to manage (although I find the Ubuntu update process far easier to manage than Windows — any version.
Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:15 PM
Even the lower-cost versions released recently cost more than a Netbook. (For that matter, they're more than a low-end full-featured laptop!) A Netbook can do everything a Chromebook can do - just install the Chrome browser and away you go!
Netbooks have fantastic battery life. They have 250GB of SSD storage, lots of ports and card slots, and the ability to connect to an infinite number of devices using Bluetooth or USB.
And you can install all the software you use everywhere else, including Office, light-duty graphics, games, etc. They play audio and video just fine. They can be set up for VPN if you want to use them for corporate stuff.
Etc, etc, etc!
And to state it again: Netbooks cost LESS than Chromebooks! Every Chromebook sold is a monument to the cluelessness of the purchaser.