[artzy65]

I think it's 'cool' that a lot of the money that regular people have paid for Microsoft products is doing good in the world thanks to Mr. Gates (rumors that Gates is chasing a Nobel Prize notwithstanding).

[artzy65]

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Gates didn't unify anything. IBM created the PC and it was the PC that created a unified market. IBM's modular design - and Intel's CPUs! - are what made it such a success. Although, without "cheap" IBM clones, things would probably have turned out very differently - as the clones were what most people bought. Also, Gates bought DOS, a clone of CP/M, written by Gary Kildall. No Kildall, no CP/M; no CP/M, no clone of CP/M; no clone of CP/M, no QDOS; No QDOS, no OS for Gates to buy; no OS for Gates to buy, no Microsoft desktop monopoly. Gates and Jobs were managers (Gates could program, but he was nothing special) - they're expendable! The first smart phone was created by IBM in 1993, the "Simon Personal Communicator" and there were numerous PDAs and other similar devices around at the time. Some company had to be first with a modern version of that 1990s technology, and, as Apple was struggling, Jobs took a risk, and the risk paid off. His death was very fortunate - at least for his so-called legacy - as he would never have repeated that success. No one actually needed him, though. Managers control the engineers. And managers said no you can't do any of this until we tell you to. Then Jobs told them to; then other managers followed suit. Computers have been shrinking for decades, a handheld computer was inevitable - people in the 1950s predicted it would happen. Apple didn't create anything fundamentally new; the innards all come from other firms; some of the firms Apple has now bought.

To classify Jobs as just a manager is utterly ignorant. Jobs oversaw every little detail of every Apple product, including the packaging and font. Get your Apple history right.

[artzy65]

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BILL GATES AND STEVE JOBS HAVE MADE NO CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMPUTERS. Gates NEVER wrote DOS (IBM's PC OS), and has NEVER written an OS in his entire life. Gates bought DOS for $50,000, which was a clone of CP/M, written by Gary Kildall, the guy who did all the pioneering work into microcomputer (PC) operating systems, including writing the first BIOS, still used in PCs today. Kildall was a professor of Computer Science, far smarter than Jobs and Gates. Gates effectively stole the market Kildall created, and, to this very day, has NEVER given Kildall any credit. Yet, without Kildall, Gates would have remained a nobody (Microsoft was a small software house selling compilers and interpreters, and had no experience writing OSes). Search youtube for: "Computer Chronicles: Gary kildall special (Part 1 of 2)"; and "Computer Chronicles - The Apple Macintosh" by user "EdgyRootStudios" - 14:23 in you see Gary Kildall speaking, and the OS we would have got (GEM) had Gates NOT poached the market that Kildall created that made Gates so rich. And Google without quotation marks "Gary Kildall and Collegial entrepreneurship drdobbs" - an article in Dr.Dobbs. IBM went to Bill Gates BY MISTAKE, asking for an OS. Gates told IBM "I don't do operating systems, speak to Gary Kildall". IBM did. But IBM insisted that the Kildalls sign a non-disclosure agreement that allowed IBM to reveal what would be said in their meeting, while gagging the Kildalls. Hence, no meeting. That's when Gates saw his chance, bought a clone of Kildall's OS and stole the market Kildall had single-handedly created. CP/M was the Windows of its day and the only suitable OS at the time for IBM's PC. Gary Kildall was a much nicer character than Gates (a ruthless businessman). Kildall co-presented "Computer Chronicles" for six years and you can find the episodes on YouTube. As for Jobs, it was Steve WOZNIAK who created the first Apple computer, designed the hardware, wrote all the software - Jobs saw it and said let's sell it. Jobs couldn't program or do engineering. Once (more than once!) Jobs cheated Wozniak out of money, giving Wozniak a task that Jobs couldn't do himself, and then telling Wozniak that Atari had paid him $700, when Atari had actually paid $5,000. Wozniak was given $350 and Jobs kept the other $4,650 for himself, having done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER. This was before Apple was formed and Wozniak only found out about this theft ten years later. But none of this matters. The media and others only see POWER and MONEY, and hence fawn all over two men who have never done anything worthy of note - Jobs never had one original idea in his life. It was - and still is! - all being done by others. Gates is - & Jobs was - however, adept at avoiding tax, and creating a persona and image that bears little resemblance to reality.

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[John2jio]

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Wow...PCW is really late with this one. This video has been on Neowin and Engadget like last week some time. All I can say is, being cool doesn't get you as far as being rich. See what happened to the "cool" guy who is a liar, a bigot, a hypocrite, abandoned his family, stole from other companies and now he's dead. A price to pay for being cool. Bill on the other hand was a business savvy, mathematical genius, who bullied other companies, only to push Microosft to the top of the food chain so to speak. He never spoke bad of Jobs even when Jobs publicly and even with Gates on the stage with him, try to belittle Gates and poke fun wherever possible. Gates has always shown class. I mean how else is he to act when he knows he has a more advanced company, has 1.3B know users of his greatest product, who has been dubbed the world's richest man. Who give gobs of money to benefit people. When you have almost all the money in the world, who cares if you think I am cool or not. He can buy cool and chooses not too. If I had a choice of being cool or rich...rich wins every time. Cool is the new boring. See Fonzie was cool. Ice is cool. Steve Jobs isn't cool, he only pretended to be. Gates is cool, because he isn't hater, he isn't a thief or a liar or a hypocrite. He is a gentleman while Jobs was the devil.

Dude! what are you Smoking ,Both Gates and Job's were Thieve's and Lair's, The only one that had any redeeming qualities is Gate's and that is because of his charitable work's,and That is primarily because of Gate's Wife and his Father. Steve Job's was a arrogant sociopath that had a hatred for everyone, especially the less fortunate. Neither one of them could every be called an Angel.

[ChatTn23]

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artzy65
To classify Jobs as just a manager is utterly ignorant. Jobs oversaw every little detail of every Apple product, including the packaging and font. Get your Apple history right.

Probably makes him a micro-manager, which he was accused of by some within Apple. They can be a pain in the butt (I’ve had to work with some) and they typically slow productivity, but tend to get it done their way.

[artzy65]

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artzy65 To classify Jobs as just a manager is utterly ignorant. Jobs oversaw every little detail of every Apple product, including the packaging and font. Get your Apple history right. Probably makes him a micro-manager, which he was accused of by some within Apple. They can be a pain in the butt (I’ve had to work with some) and they typically slow productivity, but tend to get it done their way.

The genius is in the details