[harryE2v7u]

I was using MS Word for DOS from its first version on, also Multiplan and rBase. Then came Windows 2 and Excel. That was great. Then came Word for Windows (I started with version 2.0). Then came MS Office which I later was using for a long time (I liked Access in and Word very much) so that I got quiet proficient with MS Office. After having replaced Access with a Interbase solution and the rise of Thunderbird (as an email client) there was not longer a compelling reason to use MS Office. I switched to Star Office, then to OpenOffice and I am working now with LibreOffice. Although I am creating highly complex documents I never missed MS Office. LibreOffice Writer and Calc are working great and for Emails I am using Gmail. So I retired Thunderbird which I had used to replace Outlook (which I never liked). I can write and read in LibreOffice all kind of MS Office documents but I prefer the Open Document format because during my MS software user period I had a lot of trouble when Microsoft changed the file formats (e. g. from Office 95 to Office 97). The Open Document format worked all the years great for me - with zero compatibility problems. Seen from my perspective MS Office plays primarily a role because so many people are used to work with it. From the functional perspective I can't see any significant difference between MS Office and e.g. LibreOffice. But I enjoy the freedom of Open Source Software, I can install the software where and when I want it - on nearly all platforms - and I have no overhead with managing licenses and costly updates. I think that MS Office for Linux would be DOA. Linux users are technically skilled and they love their freedom. Why anyone should give up working with e.g. LibreOffice or OpenOffice and switch to MS Office? Everything can be done the same way with cost-free Open Source.

[chosenson]

GlenBarrington, on 10 February 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

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chosenson said. Rumors and speculations may have some credibility by the way!

Rumors and speculations can be true, but as long as they remain rumors and speculations, I don't see how they can have credibility. By definition, rumors and speculation lack the support that GIVE them credibility.

We can have faith that a rumor is true and we can act on that faith, But if we can't PROVE it, those acts remain an act of faith!

@GlenBarrington

You changed the text from WHAT I REALLY SAID to what you have posted above as QUOTED. It was Steveyto7 who posted the quip you quoted as mine; and you cut the line away from the complete post.

In the future, please be careful when trimming post replies so that quotes remain with respect to their original authors; and be careful trying to take things out of context.

[GeekyGeezer]

If Microsoft has any insight, they will provide/support Office on iOS, Linux, Android, or any other popular platform. Back in the early days during the first Mac/PC war, MS wisely supported Office on both platforms even though they had a dog, so to speak, in the OS fight. It is foolish not to go after an Office market on other platforms in an attempt to preserve market share in the OS market. MS should hedge their bets and support Office everywhere.

[Steveyto7]

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GlenBarrington said
chosenson said. Rumors and speculations may have some credibility by the way! Rumors and speculations can be true, but as long as they remain rumors and speculations, I don't see how they can have credibility. By definition, rumors and speculation lack the support that GIVE them credibility. We can have faith that a rumor is true and we can act on that faith, But if we can't PROVE it, those acts remain an act of faith! @GlenBarrington You changed the text from WHAT I REALLY SAID to what you have posted above as QUOTED. It was Steveyto7 who posted the quip you quoted as mine; and you cut the line away from the complete post. In the future, please be careful when trimming post replies so that quotes remain with respect to their original authors; and be careful trying to take things out of context.

Glen, I noticed that! It made it look like I was posting things I did not say. I'm sorry if people were confused.

[Steveyto7]

I'm having a hard time understanding who is actually posting what! It seems like "chosenson" may be manipulating replies! If it isn't chosenson, maybe someone just doesn't know how to respond correctly. In any case, someone is causing confusing responses, or is it just me?

[Steveyto7]

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chosenson said. Rumors and speculations may have some credibility by the way! Rumors and speculations can be true, but as long as they remain rumors and speculations, I don't see how they can have credibility. By definition, rumors and speculation lack the support that GIVE them credibility. We can have faith that a rumor is true and we can act on that faith, But if we can't PROVE it, those acts remain an act of faith!

Glen, I am really confused! I think a lot of posts may be taken out of context. I'm not sure why. I'm sorry you and I may have become victims of a troll, or a poster that has no idea how to respond correctly!

[Steveyto7]

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I was using MS Word for DOS from its first version on, also Multiplan and rBase. Then came Windows 2 and Excel. That was great. Then came Word for Windows (I started with version 2.0). Then came MS Office which I later was using for a long time (I liked Access in and Word very much) so that I got quiet proficient with MS Office. After having replaced Access with a Interbase solution and the rise of Thunderbird (as an email client) there was not longer a compelling reason to use MS Office. I switched to Star Office, then to OpenOffice and I am working now with LibreOffice. Although I am creating highly complex documents I never missed MS Office. LibreOffice Writer and Calc are working great and for Emails I am using Gmail. So I retired Thunderbird which I had used to replace Outlook (which I never liked). I can write and read in LibreOffice all kind of MS Office documents but I prefer the Open Document format because during my MS software user period I had a lot of trouble when Microsoft changed the file formats (e. g. from Office 95 to Office 97). The Open Document format worked all the years great for me - with zero compatibility problems. Seen from my perspective MS Office plays primarily a role because so many people are used to work with it. From the functional perspective I can't see any significant difference between MS Office and e.g. LibreOffice. But I enjoy the freedom of Open Source Software, I can install the software where and when I want it - on nearly all platforms - and I have no overhead with managing licenses and costly updates. I think that MS Office for Linux would be DOA. Linux users are technically skilled and they love their freedom. Why anyone should give up working with e.g. LibreOffice or OpenOffice and switch to MS Office? Everything can be done the same way with cost-free Open Source.

AHHH "The good old days"! Remember dBase I thru dBase III? Remember WordPerfect for DOS? I do not know why any savvy Linux user would care why Microsoft would try to port MS Office to Linux! It's bad enough that Microsoft has intimidated some online video providers not to support Linux, one case in point is NetFlix. Why would Microsoft make the MS Office suite available when they will not even support a very popular online video service?

[waldojim]

Steveyto7, on 11 February 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

I'm having a hard time understanding who is actually posting what! It seems like "chosenson" may be manipulating replies! If it isn't chosenson, maybe someone just doesn't know how to respond correctly. In any case, someone is causing confusing responses, or is it just me?

A lot of this is broken forum software. Namely, if you try to reply from the article page, the quote system appears to be hosed, and you end up with a mess. If you reply from the forums themselves, everything works the way it is supposed to.

[Steveyto7]

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Steveyto7 said
I'm having a hard time understanding who is actually posting what! It seems like "chosenson" may be manipulating replies! If it isn't chosenson, maybe someone just doesn't know how to respond correctly. In any case, someone is causing confusing responses, or is it just me? A lot of this is broken forum software. Namely, if you try to reply from the article page, the quote system appears to be hosed, and you end up with a mess. If you reply from the forums themselves, everything works the way it is supposed to.

To Waldojim,

I'm trying to respond to the forum threads instead of responding to the article directly. I think I know what the "reply" selection works like, at least I hope I do. I agree that things can get really broken, but I try to keep things in context. I can't tell who posted what in this case though. I would really like to keep my posts in context. Anyway, it isn't about broken threads here, it's about a contiguous discussion concerning porting MS Office to Linux posted without misquoting others. Thanks!

Steveyto7

[Steveyto7]

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To Waldojim,

I'm trying to respond to the forum threads instead of responding to the article directly. I think I know what the "reply" selection works like, at least I hope I do. I agree that things can get really broken, but I try to keep things in context. I can't tell who posted what in this case though. I would really like to keep my posts in context. Anyway, it isn't about broken threads here, it's about a contiguous discussion concerning porting MS Office to Linux posted without misquoting others. Thanks!

Steveyto7

[Steveyto7]

To The Webmaster,

Please, try to refrain from adding other posters quotes intermingled with an original responding posters quote. It causes confusion! It appears that "so-and-so" quoted the entire response and will cause confusion. Please try to insure a posters quote response includes ONLY the posters immediate response, not a "history". This will lead to obvious misconceptions!

Thanks!

Steveyto7

[waldojim]

Steveyto7, on 14 February 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

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Steveyto7 said
I'm having a hard time understanding who is actually posting what! It seems like "chosenson" may be manipulating replies! If it isn't chosenson, maybe someone just doesn't know how to respond correctly. In any case, someone is causing confusing responses, or is it just me? A lot of this is broken forum software. Namely, if you try to reply from the article page, the quote system appears to be hosed, and you end up with a mess. If you reply from the forums themselves, everything works the way it is supposed to.

To Waldojim,

I'm trying to respond to the forum threads instead of responding to the article directly. I think I know what the "reply" selection works like, at least I hope I do. I agree that things can get really broken, but I try to keep things in context. I can't tell who posted what in this case though. I would really like to keep my posts in context. Anyway, it isn't about broken threads here, it's about a contiguous discussion concerning porting MS Office to Linux posted without misquoting others. Thanks!

Steveyto7

My point was only that the forum software has been buggy since the latest roll-out, and it wouldn't be far-fetched to believe that the mis-quotes are purely accidental.

[Steveyto7]

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Thanks for telling me! I would never have noticed! LOL

Steveyto7

[Steveyto7]

I forgot at include this:

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My point was only that the forum software has been buggy since the latest roll-out, and it wouldn't be far-fetched to believe that the mis-quotes are purely accidental.

Great! Fix it!

[Steveyto7]

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I should respond to the "at" my post...It should have been "to". We all sometimes make mistakes. Sorry!

[Steveyto7]

I really got off on the wrong foot with my posts! I will keep my comments to the issue at hand if that's OK. The issue is, "Should Microsoft attempt to work with Linux?" And if so why is that' so important? Why? My opinion is that Microsoft's "Assembly Line" will churn out anything they can make a "buck" on. I do not see an Open Source acceptance here. I see this for profit group as having only one goal, and that is to dominate the computer world. This nothing new. There has always been a fear by Microsoft that Linux and other operating systems may be gaining ground on them. From Bill Gates to Steven Ballmer, the mindset is the same...DOMINATE!! Guys...You need to re-think you position! You will not win your own fight.

[OldTimeyJunkt79v]

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I really got off on the wrong foot with my posts! I will keep my comments to the issue at hand if that's OK. The issue is, "Should Microsoft attempt to work with Linux?" And if so why is that' so important? Why? My opinion is that Microsoft's "Assembly Line" will churn out anything they can make a "buck" on. I do not see an Open Source acceptance here. I see this for profit group as having only one goal, and that is to dominate the computer world. This nothing new. There has always been a fear by Microsoft that Linux and other operating systems may be gaining ground on them. From Bill Gates to Steven Ballmer, the mindset is the same...DOMINATE!! Guys...You need to re-think you position! You will not win your own fight.

You do realize Microsoft have put tons of code into Linux...

[LCowles]

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You will not win your own fight. You do realize Microsoft have put tons of code into Linux...

Do you realize what code they have published to the kernel, other than hyper-v fixes? I sit on the fence, but to be honest I don't think they have broken any real ground on the *nix platforms

[LCowles]

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It won't matter to those who prefer LibreOffice.

People that like inconsistent software prone to bug crashes and incompatibility with itself you mean? I sit on the fence for everything apart from Libre/open office they are such a waste of human effort, not usable, not friendly and full of time. Software like this is only purchase free...