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[mipa]

No one every doubted the Chinese government was behind all the attacks. It's part of their master plan to rule the world.

[JamesVelasquez]

Honestly they should call it the great firewall because eventually the rest of the world will block china.

[tartarus]

It amazes me how they love to report those completely unfounded reports about Chinese hackers.
In 2010 New York Times reported Lanxiang Vocational school attacked google. Well what is Lanxiang Vocational school? I grew up in China, and I know it. Only people can not get into college go there, they give computer lessons to people who have never used a computer before, probably beginning from pressing a start button. This time the Gaoqiaozhen thing seems to be an elementary school in that area. Yeah, of course they all can hack google. Even if a tiny bit of research has been done, no reasonable person will come up with conclusions like this.

[GetReal]

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It amazes me how they love to report those completely unfounded reports about Chinese hackers.

Unfounded >>?<< Nonsense.

Possibly not necessarily hackers as the term is commonly understood - think massively offensive. Anyway, you grew-up in China and clearly that is where your allegiance is. I grew-up in the USA and all my life we as a nation have been contending against Communists and Dictators....AKA, China and others. So my allegiance is certainly with the USA.

Anyway, I worked in China for 7 weeks in 1998 and 10 weeks in 2003, within the computer industry, so I am confident that the reality of your characterization of China's "training" centers goes much further than you allude or realize.

Further, that country is a police state - strangling it's own citizens and providing only a facade of human rights. Indeed, I believe that country to be a dedicated enemy of civilization and inimical to most of the world.

[ChasL]

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In 2010 New York Times reported Lanxiang Vocational school attacked google.

NYT's poor track record does not stop here. The same reporter also claimed a “Chinese fingerprint” algorithm in the Aurora Hydraq malware. The claim was debunked when the code turned out to be the Nibble CRC that’s been around since the 80’s.

There are other problem with the Mandiant report:

1) The claim “Mei” has Chinese association, but the phonics could be “plum” or “America”. Also plum flower is the national flower of ROC not PRC.
2) The rootkit.com association is not common for Chinese hackers, since it’s a US forum in English.
3) Other security firm have reported the hacker dota/d0ta using exclusively US-based IP address (ref HBGARY_CustomerReport_QINETIQ_v4.pdf 2010).

[ChatTn23]

Probably nobody in this forum knows for sure what is true or false as far as origin of some of these attacks, but some of us are a little more sensitive to them than others. A lot of it right now is a “he said, she said” type of situation. As we know, cyber crime has been going on since the late 1990s. It is becoming more noticeable now for a number of reasons. Obviously, the number of organizations tied to the internet has grown to the point to where very few are not connected in some way. The term “organizations” here includes businesses and governments. This provides many more targets for the attacks. More targets allow more room for shooters. Another reason is the ability to identify these attacks has increased. The days when a hacker could tie into an organizations computer network without being detected for days or weeks are fast going away.

Why would a government backed group in China be involved in questionable cyber activities? Compared to most Western nations, it’s still a developing country. It has a lot to gain technology wise and even in the industrial sector if it can gather the right information, so it’s not much of a stretch for me to believe they are responsible for some cyber attacks. At the same time it’s not hard for me to believe the U.S. and other Western nations are pinging away at China for other reasons. Internet warfare has been going on for sometime now. In the end, it could result in a physical war, but all in the game need to be cautious about what they think they know about the opposition. We all know there is a lot of garbage on the internet, and it’s no different when it comes to what some organization might want to allow an attacker to discover. This type of stuff goes on between competing businesses, so you can bet governments play the same games.

[tartarus]

Get real, GetReal.
Even if you have a bad impression about something, that doesn't mean all the evil things in the world are related to it. There are truly numerous unfounded, ridiculous things that media reported , some are mentioned here, change the name of the country and some places, you can use them to assault anyone. Get something that can be really called evidence, do not just rely on some instinct, which can easily be wrong. "Oh, this country is bad, it must be involved in this and this..." That's how bias started and grows.

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It amazes me how they love to report those completely unfounded reports about Chinese hackers. Unfounded &gt;&gt;?&lt;&lt; Nonsense. Possibly not necessarily hackers as the term is commonly understood - think massively offensive. Anyway, you grew-up in China and clearly that is where your allegiance is. I grew-up in the USA and all my life we as a nation have been contending against Communists and Dictators....AKA, China and others. So my allegiance is certainly with the USA. Anyway, I worked in China for 7 weeks in 1998 and 10 weeks in 2003, within the computer industry, so I am confident that the reality of your characterization of China's "training" centers goes much further than you allude or realize. Further, that country is a police state - strangling it's own citizens and providing only a facade of human rights. Indeed, I believe that country to be a dedicated enemy of civilization and inimical to most of the world.

[GetReal]

Tartarus, I am real!
I was born during the early part of WW2 (caused by a Fascist style dictator and allies), just missed Army service in Korea by about 4 years years (supported by China), served an Army tour of duty early in Vietnam (supported by China & Russia and fought against another dictator. Lived during ALL of the cold-war (against Communists - with mutual aid & support between Russia & China). These are Just the biggies in my memory. Space & time permitting I could certainly name many other instances.

More on topic. Granted I was not employed in China very long, but to mis-use a phrase, "it's not necessary to eat the whole dish to realize it is bad." While there I worked as an engineer for a division of a very big computer company, though that division has now been sold - ironically to China. During my brief visits to China, there were both places and buildings within the manufacturing facilitys where foreigners were prohibited by their army. Where any documents left unsecured for even minutes, propriety or otherwise, disappeared. All phone calls anywhere were openly monitored by the government. Books & magazines were confiscated at customs.

While in China, I met some very nice people, many friendly people, others that were belligerent Ass's - instantly unfriendly to foreigners. I have seen police spot search and even club all class's of people - some apparently for just looking at them(?) The newspapers and other public media is near totally censored by the government. National identification documents are REQUIRED for everyone. Permission to travel at will was only just being relaxed.

Note that none of my comments are speculation. Yes, I am biased against all bad guys, even school bullies. I personally believe China is up near the top of that list. Further, I would caution all U.S. citizens, that if the current trends continue, much sooner than expected I think China and allies will effectively own the USA just by balance of payments - provided terrorists have not already destroyed much of it....ha

[thewazak]

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It's part of (China's) master plan to rule the world.

They don't need a plan. The USA made it for them.
Trillions in debt to China, USA no longer calls the shots.

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eventually the rest of the world will block china.

It will be rather tricky to block the biggest trading county in the world, that also holds mineral deposits vital to the rest of the world.
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Both comments are naive. Get used to it: one has to be "nice" to the boss!

[tartarus]

Hi GetReal,
Good to hear your story. I'm sorry you feel so bad about China. But a country with over one billion people and five thousand years of history, that time you spend there seems to be too short for a conclusion. There are bad people in China, I'm not denying it. And unfortunately some are in power. You know it, I know it, and every Chinese knows it. I guarantee that I hate those bad asses more than you do. On the other hand, usual Chinese people are very nice and friendly, through out the whole Chinese history.
With all that being said, it has nothing to do with the topic we have here. It doesn't change the fact that these reports about hacks are completely unjustified, some are ridiculous as showed. Cyber war has been around for long, you think US has never done that? And with all the money US spend on that, they just wait for others to attack? And if they got attacked, they won't fight back with higher tech? And those media, you think they don't know they are talking nonsense? You think they are not using the prejudice of people for their own goal? But anyway, I'm already quite used to those reports purely to disgrace China.

[Teako]

Actually, China seems to be unloading some of the AUS debvt and Japan will soon be our #1 largest source of money.

[quote] I think China and allies will effectively own the USA just by balance of payments