[zombiecryss]

Well i don't think burning DVDS are illegal if you rent or buy it. For example you buy a dvd and you make a copy so the original does not get wrecked for playing it to much....not illegal. But what renting I think the same thing applys. The big companys make the movie warner bros for example, then they ditribute it to theatres. Make huge $$$ from that then blockbuster, jumbo etc.... buys the movie for you to rent, so you rent it like it and make a copy for your own personal use right. Not illegal to me. The way I look at it you basically put the money back into the community by renting from the provider as they did for the distributer. Now if you burnt it and then sold copys to other perople yes I believe that is wrong and illegal. Tell me what you think?

[mphenterprises]

Hi Zombiecryss. Welcome to PC World. :-)





Regardless of how you, I, or anyone in this forum may personally feel about burning DVDs, this topic violates the Community Standards. You can review the Community Standards by clicking this hyperlink. Since you are only asking for opinions, the Discussion thread will remain open but please become aware of what can and cannot be discussed within this forum.

[techie4fun]

I'm not totally up to date on "current" Laws but I understand that your allowed to make backup copies of your Computer Game "Disks" for that desired purpose, so I wouldn't see why it would be any different for a DVD movie. As long as you are only making a backup copy and have no desire to do anything more with that copy.

[lilxkid24]

i don't even care about copyright laws lol, i do whatever i can to save money.... just hope no FBI agents come storming through my house

[techie4fun]

But some of us do :) It's what keeps us safe from prison :D Did I ever tell you that I work for the FBI? :^0 Got your blood pressure going up just a bit there didn't I? I'm just messing with you, I'm not really like that in real life. Are we still friends? :-)

[lilxkid24]

nice sarcasm lol omg theres swat guys outside my door now:^0

[zman00]

actually its stated that you ARE allowed to make a BACK-UP of an article in your possesion, whether it be digital or analog, BUT you can not legally copy DVD's from blockbuster. The only reason those CSS cracker programs, that shall stay unmentioned due to forum rules, are only allowed because of the Federal Law that allows you to have back-ups.

[lilxkid24]

is it legal to stream movies online though?

[zman00]

technically yes, because it public viewing. You know that big screen that appears every time you put in a DVD unless you've altered it, that says FBI warning yada, yada, something....not for public viewing or free-distribution...yada, yada. The streaming video violates that, UNLESS the original maker is the one streaming it.

[lilxkid24]

eh the movie makers are still rich enough lol

[smax013]

zman00 said:

actually its stated that you ARE allowed to make a BACK-UP of an article in your possesion, whether it be digital or analog, BUT you can not legally copy DVD's from blockbuster. The only reason those CSS cracker programs, that shall stay unmentioned due to forum rules, are only allowed because of the Federal Law that allows you to have back-ups.

From a copyright point of view, you are correct...you can legally make copies for backup or other personal use as long as you bought the DVD (or CD or software) under the fair use exceptions. You cannot legally make a copy of a rented DVD, unless maybe if you destroy the copy when your rental period is done. If you keep a copy of the DVD after returning the video, you would definitely be violating copyright law.



If the item is copy-protected (and EVERY mainstream, commercial movie or TV DVD is), however, then it is illegal to circumvent the copy-protection under the DCMA, whether you have bought the DVD or not. And since you need circumvent the copy-protection in order to copy or ripe a DVD, you will technically be in violation of the DCMA (in the US). The slight unknown is how the courts will view this law as it is kind of in conflict of copyright law. The DCMA essentially does an "end run" around the Fair Use exceptions in copyright law and I am not sure if a court has addressed that potential conflict or not.



Streaming DVD (or cable or satelite) content would generally be illegal if you are streaming it to someone else (i.e. not for personal use). If done for personal use (i.e. streaming something by way of a Slingbox so that you can watch your cable while on the road), should be OK, but it is such a new thing that some of the complexities of the issue have not been really scrutinized yet. This is part of the reason why Slingmedia uses an encrypted stream (to the frustration of some of their users)...to prevent the stream from be captured and recorded...and thus then potentially given to someone else and raising serious copyright questions.

[lady13]

I was wondering. One guy on eBay sold me illegal copy of VCD.
He took 15 pound for it, didn't want to return it and for my money called me names, gave me negative feedback and sayd he can do what he want, but it already other story. He excepts only money in envelope and his address is by the way
The question is:



VCD had 5 concerts of Britney Spears concerts, that was never officially released on DVD or CD. So this guy just downloaded this 5 concerts from piratebay, compressed them so that now it's only dancing pixels. This guy claims VCD to be leagal and good.



Well, he also says that his mom is laywer, but I think he is just the person who lies and believes himself in it. If his mother would be a laywer - he would not do such things.



So question is, if he can be punished in right way (???), cause he just continue to do it.. and some other cd's with Pink and smb else. I know that for Miami concert exclusive right belong to MSM.

[mphenterprises]

Hi Lady and welcome to the PCWorld Communities. :D




First, I can understand your frustration; however, please do not post documentation from another individual, especially if that individual is not a part of this forum.

Now, to answer your question, I do not believe there is anything you can do besides report him or her to eBay. There are several red flags that jumped up when I reviewed this User's Feedback and the auction itself:

- This User is new, +40 feedback rating. In my opinion, any seller with less than 100 positive feedback points is not worth the hassle.

- This User only has a 95.5% rating. With such a low feedback rating, his or her rating percentage should be no less than 100%. The fact that he or she had a negative rating prior to you bidding on the auction is a big indication that he or she may not be a very good seller

- The auction itself is a bit slated:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=110218565753 (Britney Spears - The Onyx Hotel Tour 5 RARE Shows - VCD )

The auction clearly states that this is a Video CD, not a DVD. I would gather, just like you did, that this person just downloaded the files and then put the VCD on auction.

- The User does not accept PayPal. The vast majority of sellers accept PayPal because they now, no matter what, they are going to get paid. (The new situation with eBay is another story.) The fact that this seller does not accept PayPal should have kept you far away from this auction.




If you feel adamant about the fact that you may have been cheated, contact eBay and express your concern.

[lady13]

Yes, 95.5%, you know why? Because other negative feedbacks was taken away.

You know why? Because he give you negative feedback if you tell the truth. And many people don't like negative feedbacks, so they just agree with this guy and take their words back even if it is not so. The negative feedback taken back don't counts in total % and there are 6 of such people -mostly who payd money for the same crap they could without problem to download from piratebay



I already contacted eBay - they dont hurry to do smth, i reported to FACT and some other organizations, but my question is still not answered, is what he does legal?

[mphenterprises]

Okay, let's take a step back for a moment. I am not sure where you are located. If this person is in Portugal, the laws of Portugal may be completely different than the laws here in the United States. If he or she resided in the United States, would what he or she did be considered illegal, probably. However, that is not for me, or anyone else in this forum to decide.

The only person in this forum, that I know of, that has any formal legal knowledge is Kellie, the Community Manager. I believe there is a division of PCWorld called On Your Side that may be able to do some research for you. If I am correct, their email address is onyourside at pcworld dot com.

I can feel how frustrated you are, believe me, I got burnt once on eBay...only once. If you need to find out whether or not what he or she would be considered illegal, you really have to take this matter up with a governing body in Portugal.

[lady13]

Hey,


Thank you for your replies. Yes, I already asking on PCworld and people say it's illegal. I will try to take a look at devision you mentioned. Thank you


I by the way from Hollald, so the same EU kinda.





You know, I'm not furstarated.. well,,, maybe yeah, but mostly very upset and even a bit angry, cause if I sell smth - I always honest to buyers and such things I just can't understand, but seems some people feel good about themselves when they do it, so...


And this guy just treated me with smth like that (I find it very childish):

[mphenterprises]

I can definitely understand; however, as I mentioned previously, please do not post any correspondence from another person in this forum...especially when that person is not a member to defend what is being said. Doing so goes against this forum's Community Standard. You can read the full Community Standards here:

http://forums.pcworl...m/docs/DOC-1000





The best that I can say is this....Is what this person did immoral and down right wrong, absolutely. Is what this person did against better business practices, absolutely. Is what this did illegal and punishable by whatever law governs this act in Portugal, I have no idea but I would venture to say yes.




What is the one thing you can take away from this situation? Do your research, use common sense, and follow your instinct. I am sure you have heard the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Good luck to you.

[lady13]

Thanks for wise advice and sorry for quotes!



have a nice weekend

Lana

[coastie65]

Hi, Unfortunately ebay is starting to get a bad reputation for selling ( or allowing to be sold) bootleg ( pirated) material. This is unfortunate in that there is usually little or no recourse for the buyer. As for copying DVD movies, it is rather difficult with the copy protection on those things. If someone managed to buy and hold on to one of those "BLACK BOXES" that were sold some 15 or so years ago, than it would be doable. As far as I know, you can record movies and such from your cable source for your use (TIVO) to watch at your leisure, NOT TO BE SOLD. As far as ebay goes, I have pretty much written them off as I think the bidding is rigged. For instance, I was watching a Pentium D 945 processor and it stayed at $25 USD for a while. I placed a bid for $29 and set a max of $50, and that was more than I really wanted to pay for a used processor. The bidding took off and eventually settled at $116.50 USD. All I can say is that either that bidding was rigged to jack up the price or some dim bulb wanted that used processor more than I did. Hopefully you'll get some resolution to your problem, but it seems rather slim. coastie65

[lilxkid24]

why the hell did someone revive a thread that was like months old........