[SCOOPNJ78]

Give me a break people!!!!! You gripe about Microsoft. Other companies are doing the same.
WHY???? Because it is reported that, for example, 60% of all software sold on EBAY is pirated. China and Russia are well know for creating fake copies. I know we are lawabiding but what about Decongestants? Just about all of us use the products correctly but because of those that want to cook those products to make Meth, we now have to get them from behind the counter at the drug store. Think about it!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is just the way it is today like it or not!!!!!!

[Mackel]

At last somebody with some sense and your right! I am tired of all the whining. If you don't like MS go play with something else. (And get a life!)

[snorg]

I am sticking with XP Home because I never have any copy protection issues.

[racerpgt]

I've never had a problem with it. Windows will continue to dominate until Mac's become cheaper and Linux becomes less buggy, with better support and has a wider array of apps available.

[chrispateinbr]

My experience with MCP was was when I needed to install Windows XP SP2 on my home PC, it (for some strange reason) was not included in the automatic updates. So my brilliant cousin installed a copied version of Windows XP SP2. From then I had to deal with the annoying notification message telling me that my copy of WIndows was not genuine. To make things short it was a disaster! On my laptop, though, XP SP2 was instantly installed with updates for free. Now my PC is basically wasted with a copy of windows that is NOT genuine ,but my laptop could not be better. Microsoft is the largest computer company in the world! They have better things to worry about than someone installing a FREE version of Windows, Heaven forbid!

[Ironman1]

When I bought my daughter a new computer, Vista installed, I was horrified at how slow it is. WGA is one nasty problem with Microsoft. Poor quality products and code is another. I am 60 years old. I started using computers when I coded in basic and stored the data on cassette tapes in 1984. I have started to feel that we were going backwards in this technology, no matter how much PCworld hypes Windoz Vista "speed".

Oh, did I mention the virus and spyware problems? the total distruction of my hard drive twice in one year, and Norton could not prevent it? I l also noted that Microsoft has done some trickery in the BIOS. When Vista installs it throws a switch in BIOS so that XP cannot see the drive. You can figure out why. You have to switch it back to "out dated or legacy systems" to load XP. I feel that WGA is only a symptom of many other hidden things done to end users by a company with unlimited arrogance.

I have switched to a new O/S which gives me 16,000 online programs free to download, no viruses, booting in under 10 seconds, and works flawlessly every time I use it. It also reads all my Office Suite and Windoz doc files. Thats, right folks, I won't be using Windoz again, I switched to Linux! Oh, by the way, it's all free.

And others who use my computer always ask how they can get it too, "or make mine dual boot please"

[SCOOPNJ78]

VISTA is a total joke, it is even worse than Me. It is so bad that Microsoft had to pay for a magizine


to sing its praises. And guess what???? You can not even reply to that publication. It is called Windows


Vista, Do not get it, USED Toliet paper is worth more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is time to dump this piece of cP and go back to XP

[Cosmo]

Since you don't provide grievances, I won't take your word for it.

Your post is nothing more than a rant, and I would advise people who read it to ignore it as it has no base of argument.

[SCOOPNJ78]

OK, how is this for examples? System freezes up for no reason, shut down takes about 5 to 7 minutes, IE has so many errors that I continue to get error messages it is hard to keep track. Animated GIF pictures do not work. Most programs freeze up and have to use Task Manager to shut them down
That is just for starters. I bet you havent even used Vista much to find it all out. My comments are not all rants!!!!!!!

[Cosmo]

I'm on Vista right now. Vista Home Premium, 1gig of ram, AMD athlon64 3200+, ATI x1500 with 256 megs

I have yet to have a program freeze, shut down is less than a minute, if you still use IE you deserve errors, gifs depends on the programs to work not the OS.

If a program freezes, it's the software company that didn't bother writing it correctly for Vista. Check to make sure the programs are Vista compliant, if they aren't ask the company for a version that is.

Shut down usually depends on the programs you have running shutting down. See what ones are still standing after you try to shut down and remove them.

If you want to use IE, you have to realize that it's the browser that doesn't work well, not the OS. Try re-installing IE7 or try another browser.

As I said before, .gif requires certain programs to display correctly, not the OS. Use Adobe Flash, Fireworks, or a web browser to view them correctly.

None of your complaints fall on the OS itself, more of the programs you are trying to use.

[warrensburger]

"None of your complaints fall on the OS itself, more of the programs you are trying to use."


Baloney Cosmo, you are in denial. All these complaints are OS inspired.


I have an associate that uses Vista. I use XP. We regularly have compatiblity problems. The last being a memory stick that just plain screwed Vista up. A Trek brand one that has worked on Windows 98 to XP. Now it is just plain stupid to have such compatibility problems between two versions of the same OS. As another person posted, Vista is a step backwards.


XP is the last Microsoft OS I plan to use. When my XP computers reach the end of service life, I plan to go to Linux.


The other problem with Vista is the unneeded changes and learning curve. If I need to relearn how to do tasks, I refuse to do so with the same OS I have been using for years. If I have to learn new ways to run a computer OS then I am going to a NEW OS. Not a rehashed old one.

[SCOOPNJ78]

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Irisheagle]

ok,i have to admit that most of my knowledge before was what i read about
Vista and what others Had to say about it .
Now that i have been using i for a few weeks, i can see why some aren't as patient with it.
I got me a 32bit Laptop that came with 1gig of memory, 1.8ghz processor AND vista Home basic.
i did NOT like basic at all so, i hadn't had it a week and went to vista premium, added another gig of memory
and now..... for no more then what i use it for..it's pretty darn Good. i did disable the uac cause it was so annoying
but so far a updates, shoot i disbaled that too ad just do the ones i want to.
so far as any learning anything new, Gosh i love learning new things and really didn't find it
hard at all to master Vista. Granted i'm no Programmer but shesh it's still basically XP with
TOO big a hype and Footprint. and that's from a novice, i'm sure i'm wrong, but it's not as
bad as i thought it was going to be.
i even went to the extreme to try and upgrade my XP on my Desktop machine
with Vista premium and couldnt even though the advisor said i could. so i tried
Vista Business and Dang it, it wouldn't upgrade either, so as a last ditch effort
i did a dual boot. i bet you can guess which Os i use the Most. Yup..XP pro.
just can't beat it for compatibility.
it's really Sad when Microsoft tries to make it sound like Vista is the
end all to end all OS's and it's no more then XP pro with a new Skin,
and some bad programming. do i feel bad for buying it? NO!!
i'm one of these people that like to try new things and to be honest,
the expense wasn't as much as it could have been if i had bought full versions
over the upgrade version. i am still looking into Linux but more the ubuntu versions
and maybe thru a live Cd first to get a feel for it.

i just have to say, i do feel sorry for those having trouble with Vista.
it's not as bad to me9 in my opinion.....as everone has been saying.

[RastaMon]

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if you still use IE you deserve errors ? If you want to use IE, you have to realize that it's the browser that doesn't work well, not the OS.

As long as MS considers IE to be an integral part of the OS, then the faults of IE are the faults of Windows.

[ndking1126]

When did this turn into a Vista-is-crappy discussion?

Regardless, since we went there..

1. Every new version of Microsoft's OS has required more processing power than the previous. So, that's not a good arguement against Vista.

2.It doesn't matter what OS you use-Mac, Linux, Unix or Windows--if you machine doesn't have enough power to run it, the machine will be slow. If you try to run Vista on a machine with inadequate processing power, this is your problem, not Vista's. Again, not a good arguement against Vista.

3. Technology will never stand still. If the OS's never changed, computing today would be just like it was in the 80's. If OS's stayed the same, that stop progress. Yet another bad arguement against Vista.

4. I have used Vista at work for 4 months now. I'm with the previous poster who says most of the problems being complained about are not Vista's. 3rd party software is required for most of those functions. Lack of user knowledge=not Vista's problem.

[Cosmo]

warrensburger said:

"None of your complaints fall on the OS itself, more of the programs you are trying to use."


Baloney Cosmo, you are in denial. All these complaints are OS inspired.

In denial of what? I simply listed the causes of the complaints and possibilities of fixing them.

And yes, they do fall on the programs not the OS. If you bother to take a look, you'd notice that.

[snorg]

I friend of mine has XP Pro SP2, I have XP Home SP2.
He cant copy most CDs because of copy protection, so if he has lets say, a game CD and he wants to make a backup he cant do it. BUT I can put the same CD in my PC and copy it with no trouble at all.
Now he has a game CD thats all scratched to hell & is unusable. He would have made a backup copy but copy protection would not let him.


Is it any wonder why I say XP home is best?

[ndking1126]

Windows XP Home and Pro both have the EXACT SAME burning software built into it. Either you have better 3rd party software (I used that word again!!)or something is wrong with his cd burner. Maybe it's an incompatibility of the blank disc and the CD drive itsself. Now a days that is really rare, but it can still happen.

XP Home is the exact same piece of software as XP Pro, except XP Pro can join a domain. Unfortunately your arguement is not a valid one... but join the crowd. Most people on here do not have a valid arguement.

[warrensburger]

You are in denial of the facts. When a person has to buy new software to facilitate the OS, that is a bad OS, and not the software. At least XP is backwards compatible , which in my opinion is extremely critical for business computing(which is what I mainly use computers for).

I use XP Media edition because I work in the arts. I found it to be the best MS OS to date. Also I found XP to be highly backwards compatble. I have software that I use regularly that I don't want to relearn, don't want upgraded, because they WORK. As for XP, I even tried an old program called "Deskmate", and it worked. I have also used a Windows 3.1 program and it works.

I am not apposed to buying new software, when I NEED TO. I don't want that decision to be forced on me by the maker of the OS.

If you notice, Vist seems OK for people who like to experiment or try new things. And for a computer newbie, Vista may be OK. But I have used computers since Apple III Plus. I see distinct productivity disadvantages in using Vista if one uses a computer for true business purposes, and has done so for many years.

[Cosmo]

There is no possible way you would have to buy software to facilitate the OS, as the OS is the base of the computer. Without an OS you can't use a computer or software, so please do tell how you have to have software to facilitate the OS (in a new thread please).

Older software may run on Vista, and it may not. Then again, you can't expect software from Windows 3.0 to run on Windows 95 either now can you?

You shouldn't have to buy new software to run on Vista, as most vendors provide a Vista complaint version for free. If your software vendor does charge for a compliant version, it may be time to find an alternate and free program.

You keep stating that I am in denial of "the facts" yet you have not listed what these "facts" are. I highly believe you are the one in denial of what Vista is, and that is the next best Windows operating system. You claim to use XP instead of Vista, I have been using Vista since the Beta. I highly doubt your knowledge on the operating system is anywhere as complete as mine is.

I would debate this more with you, however I have been told that this thread is for comments on Microsoft's Copy Protection. As such, please post only on the copy protection issue. If you would like to debate this more, you are more than welcome to start your own thread on it.