[yearight3]

You are WRONG, it's NOT the same as XP. XP gave the user practical advantages and gains. It eliminated the 16 bit bottleneck, was faster, started faster, and is easy to use. The incompatiblities didn't last as long and were not as numerous. Vista, by contrast, is SLOWER, familiar labels and places for things are changed with NO logic and for NO practical reason, and the O/S offer the user NO practical advantage or improvements

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Edited by MPHEnterprises - Please keep all posts directed to the Discussion at hand. No Personal Attacks.

[ladymoneypenny]

I totally agree. Even after downloading some incompatibility updates from Microsoft, i cannot download ANYThING when using Mozilla browser. Also, Spyware blaster and Ad-Aware 2007 WILL NOT WORK AT ALL~ These are all items I have had on my old computer with no problems. And no one seems to have an answer.
Sometimes, a page will not open for no reason that s evident. I have wireless mostly and this often DOES NOT OPEN even when it is on? I have to shut down and then restart computer. And this is a new one purchased late august.
I really dislike this mess of vista.
I would easily go back to OS98 second edition=willingly if i could.

[rgreen4]

Firefox 2 runs fine. The only problem I have with Firefox is that it likes to do all downloads to one folder, and I like to be able to designate the destination. But, it does that on XP as well, so I guess its not Vista. Superantispyware runs fine in Vista. If you have Windows Defender activated, it will give you a pop up to okay the running of Superantispyware, but that's ok too, I run both. Avast runs fine in Vista as well as does AVG Free 7.5 (not 7.0 which was upgraded to 7.5 in November well ahead of the Vista release).

Norton's Internet Security 2007 and McAfee both run as well in Vista as XP, which means they will take over and slow either system down. Not recommended for use by very many members of this community. I currently have three Vista machines co-existing nicely with two XP machine on a mixed wireless/wired network using a Linksys wireless router and a Netgear wired switch. I can access the internet easily from any machine using either Firefox 2 or IE 7. I perfer IE 7 for opening PDF files because it kicks in Adobe Reader which lets me save the file if I want and dowloading. I use Firefox for everything else.

If you are having those kind of problems, please post you exact problems with each item one at a time. Post your networking problem on the Networking community and your anti-malware problems on the Privacy & Security community. You won't find many of the experts too often over here and they won't work on the problems on this community as this is for discussions. I really don't see the problem as Vista, so much as settings, programs and interactions. Give the other communities a chance to help improve your computing experience.

[xbigfishx]

"Vista Is Still Plagued by Incompatibilities"
Seriously, with this title as a headline for a report, what do you expect people to react, positvely or negatively? But "plagued" with incompatibilites is overly stated. You can take any software in the world from any vendor that has ever created, they will have bugs or incompatibilites. As long as human being involved in creating them, there will be flaws. That's the nature of it, people make mistakes or have limitations. I don't mean to bash this article but to say vista is plagued with incompatibilities is not entirely true.

I've tested vista since the beta version (I've tested linux and other OS as well). Vista is not perfect by any mean but it's coming into maturity just like any other OS. The problem is not entirely at fault with MS but it also lies with other vendors as well.

[Number3124]

WOW!! You edited a lot!, but then there was a lot to edit ]:) .

[mphenterprises]

Hi Numbers. Yeah, to be fair to both sides, I removed as much of the personal attacks and ancillary statements that did not pertain to the Discussion. Shoot, can't we all just get along? :D

[trepck2]

Premiere Elements 3.0 does not work on my new HP Laptop with Vista. Adobe "solution" too complex and did not work. I'm out $99 unless I install XP. NOT HAPPY!

[rgreen4]

It is ironic, right before I read this, there was an item on TV about the lack of civility today. Some of our newer members haven't caught on yet that it not considered proper to "flame" others. Those that have been around a while can enjoy having sprited discussions without getting personal.

That is what makes this community so appealing.

[rgreen4]

Of course you could hang onto your older machine for a while and run it on that. Adobe has never been noted as a company that believed in updates, just upgrades at a fee. This was true 20 years ago, and is still true.

Premier Elements 4 is the current version, but there was probably no offer of an upgrade at a discount, was there?

[trepck2]

The box has a big blue sticker - "Now! Compatible with Windows Vista" No longer sure what that means!

[rgreen4]

If that is the case, you have a case with the implied warranty situation. The implied warranty is that if the product is represented in a certain manner, you have the right to expect it to perform in that manner.

The box is your best case. You probably should file a complaint with Adobe Customer Service, not technical support. When the attempt to direct you in that direction, point out that they have failed to solve the problem.

You could also file a complaint with whatever retailer you purchased it from. If you purchased it directly from Adobe, and paid for it with your credit card, you can also file a complaint with them.

You do need to be persistant, it may be a small amount to them, but it is the principle of it. You could also file a complaint with the On Your Side column of PC World.

Keep after them.

[mphenterprises]

I know. I mean it is not that serious. If you do not like something, don't use it...simple. There is no need to berate and belittle someone because of what he or she thinks. Don't get me wrong, I like a spirited debate but please, it is not that serious that I would resort to name-calling or anything like that.

[syntopic]

Whatever we do, let's NOT blame Microsoft for violating the number one rule of systems design - always make your next version, generation or iteration "backwards-compatible"!!!

I never thought I'd live to see the day when a designer could justifiably expect to earn the sympathy of its users because that designer decided to greedily trash the [reasonable] expectations of its users.

I mean, why should I complain to Microsoft just because I have to pay for their 'better' operating system so that I can pay other suppliers even more to make their completely excellent products work with the buggy stuff produced by the good folks at that venerable Washington-based institution?

Now, don't get me wrong - I am an avid capitalist but I admit a sneaking admiration for the superb efforts made by the Open-sourcers - with their numerous releases, they still hold an allegiance to the noble code of coding.

Microsoft needs to ask itself one question - who was it who died & made you boss?

[WardABWE]

Great Idea, Syn! "Backwards-compatible" !

Is this a new idea -- or something forgotten?

Seriously, with our modern throw-away mentality, why would any designer or company plan for free or reduced cost updates? Why not just make everyone buy a new computer, new OS, and new software each time? Why plan to "improve" your product after the sale? Take your money & run!

Of course you can't stay in business forever with that mentality -- so change your name or sell your company and do it again, huh? Why is Apple share increasing? Why are "free" OSs proliferating? I'm a very loyal MS computer guy, but I fear that continued "Vista-type" incompatibilities will prove the free market system works -- to MS's and my detriment!

Come on MS -- you can do better than this! I sure hope so! So, bottom line, I'm not buying Vista -- but I'm hoping that Windows 7 will be worth my money!!! Try hard MS -- you can do it!!!!

[Number3124]

"Backwards-compatible" !

One of the best fearures of XP was "Compatibility Mode", and for some resone M$ desided to remove it from Vista.

[DoctorDoom]

Actually, Vista's compatibility mode is far more extensive than XP's was. You can go into the properties of any .EXE file and change it's compatibility mode to WIndows 98, Windows 2000, or Windows XP. I believe that there are even more modes than that but I'm not on a Vista box at the moment.

[Number3124]

So then why do we have all these people saying vista wont run old software?

[DoctorDoom]

Good Question. Maybe they haven't tried the correct compatibility mode? Or maybe it doesn't work right for some apps? I've used compatibility mode maybe once. It's not really a well-known feature. Also, a lot of problems can be solved by checking the "Run with admininstrative priveleges" checkbox in the .EXE's properties window. That's another trick a lot of people may not be aware of.

Also, a lot of complaints have been about hardware, which of course has no driver "compatibility" mode.

Hey, this subject might make a good PC World article!! hint

[WardABWE]

Doc, are you not using Vista now just by chance, or because you are more comfortable/profitable using another platform?

[DoctorDoom]

Excellent question!



I have to use XP for some (well, most right now) development and testing projects because that's the platform some clients use. I prefer to use Vista, but it hasn't really caught on yet in the corporate world. But I develop on both platforms. For my personal OS, I much prefer Vista over XP.