[RNR19952]

WOW some great rants
You people all know M$ is charging an outrageous fee to get drivers "Vista Certified" right? Does anyone think that may be part of the problem?
I have Vista because I have to
I am still waiting for someone to tell me, or show me why this is an upgrade?
What does it do better, faster, or less expensive than XP.....
And why did M$ move all the controls around?
To make you think you are getting something new? A GUI is a GUI....
And do not give me the more stable and more secure BS because that's what that is BS I have had Vista freeze more than my XP ever has BTW on the same hardware (different PC's)
And what's with the 7 different versions? Talk about consumer confusion. That alone is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever seen in this industry, lately.
So all you Vista lovers please enlighten me as to what makes it so great.
FYI I just downloaded UBUNTU 7.10 lets see how that runs...Ron

[DoctorDoom]

sigh Where is the eye-rolling smiley when you need it?

[RNR19952]

Yes but you did not answer the question either...roll your eyes at that Einstein

[WardABWE]

Hi Mph,

I hope Kellie has not forgotten me. I really would like to see PCW's reasoning about this "advertising."

[DoctorDoom]

Because I get tired of typing the same thing over and over again.



You like XP, I like Vista, Joe Shmoe likes OS-X, Billy Bob likes Ubuntu, Fred Flintstone likes MS-DOS. Yada yada yada.



I'm tired of arguing about Vista. The fact is this: Vista will eventually supplant XP in both the home and the workplace, then when Windows 7 comes out we will all get to listen to the whining and complaining all over again, so you kow what, I am done discussing Vista with the haters altogether. It's here, get used to it.



And that's about all I have to say on the subject. Next article please...

[mphenterprises]

:-) I am sure she has not. She comes in here about two or three times a day. You can also send her a Private Message by clicking here. You can express you concerns to her this way and ask her to answer you within this Discussion.

[WardABWE]

Hi Doc,

I think you got it right, but it would really be boring if everybody just wrote "love notes" about their OSs. What would we do?

We would have no one to call an idiot because they are not using what "I" am using!!!!



I'm ready to move on, too

[RNR19952]

Dude not a hater I am serious about the question

I've asked it over and over

One person actually suggested they "finally arranged control panel" and I thought control panel, how often do you go into control panel and who cares???

When 95 came out I upgraded at version B, then C, 98, 98se skipped ME and 2000 ( except server ) XP was NT 5.1 and it worked and ran faster on the same hardware.

So yes I am sure there are people out there that hate the latest M$ OS, but I am a consultant and have been doing this since 1995.

So for the $400.00 M$ is charging for Ultimate, I just do not see any value

BTY one nice feature is the shadow copies, but only for single or home users, if you have a server you already have it.

So list a couple of features that make it worth 4 bills

thank you

Ron

[DoctorDoom]

OK, I guess I'll do it one more time:

* DirectX 10

* Networking 100x better than XP

* User Accounts MUCH improved

* Video Subsystem now runs in it's own workspace, will not crash the machine

* Full image backups (Ultimate Only)

* Stability

* Memory Management

* Prefetching

* Performance and Reliability monitoring

* Wireless Networking is finally usable

* BitLocker

* User Access Control

* Movie Maker works now

* Photo Editing is great



I could go on but I won't. Vista Home Premium can be had for $150. Ultimate is $300.



I've been getting paid for doing IT since 1986, not sure what your point is there. 6 of those years were consulting. I've also been a DBA, a Data Warehousing specialist, and now a Senior Systems Architect. As long as we're comparing experience like I don't know what I'm talking about. ;-)



OK, now I'm done. Ward, I hear ya loud and clear....life is MUCH more interesting with something to argue about.

[art209]

Just to make you guys even more angry, I read in the paper today that Microsoft's profits were up 23% last quarter.

[Number3124]

Very professional Art. looks at smiley's where's the dang sarcastic smiley when you need it X-( .

[RNR19952]

WOW looks like that is right off of a flyer or something

Out of that whole list I would consider the User account better than XP, most of the other stuff has been done better by third parties

But being in IT as long as you have, you would recognize that.

At least I have something to research now

FYI ...the point of the history was to let you know I did not hate every M$ OS only ME and Vista

I am looking for value in the upgrade, not just because it is M$ latest offering, there are people out ther still plenty happy with a 9x box

To roll this out to a company, or even just a department is a serious hit in the pocket book

A decent XP box is under 1k I think you need 2k or better for Vista's hardware requirements

Thanks for the reply

[rgreen4]

Doc - you left out that hard disk (volume) management is infinitely better with Vista than XP. On XP when you open disk manager, you can look at the drives and partitions, but you can't change anything.

In Vista, you can adjust the size of the partitions on the fly, activate and format volumes or inactivate volumes - all without a reboot or third party software.

You listed that the networking is 100x better, so I would assume that includes the fact that assigning volume letters to a network volume is two-three clicks with a mounse under Vista, but much more difficult in XP (I maintain both OS's on a home network)

Better graphics by far.

There is no way that I would downgrade to XP on my Vista machines, although I do run XP on a couple, one is upgradable with a new graphics card, the other (a notebook) is not. But both are 3-4 years old, and that is the way of it. I have an old desktop that I cannot install XP on, but I don't whine about it.

[Lipl1]

FYI == I purchased a Logitech wireless mouse & keyboard combo that is the works with Vista native drivers. As a wireless keyboard & moue it's fine but all the extras that you expect and are available in XP will not be available in Vista. Took it back to BestBuy showed them the email got a refund and bought a generic for about $20 that works just as well.

[scoobyduder]

In theory, Vista a good operating system, but far from the WOW factor Microsoft spent millions of dollars promoting. In reality, Vista is overweight, sluggish and doesn't play well with others. I'm withholding my final judgment until after SP1, but for now I'm pretty disappointed that I've shelled out hundreds of dollars for an incomplete product. The initial release of Vista was, in my opinion, barely beyond beta. Given the current reviews of the new Mac OS 10.5, my next computer purchase will likely be a MacBook Pro.

[pandora]

Vista Business doesnt seem to be compatible with Microsoft 2007. Opening a Word document results in the program crashing - though sometimes (not always!) the document magically appears after the program is closed down. Its a nightmare and I have problems with speed and unpredictability with it every day.

[rgreen4]

While I'm not running Vista Business, just Home Premium, I am running Vista and Office 2007 on two machines. The core of both Business and Home Premium are identical, with only the Media Center, file shadowing and disk encription different.



Rather than sit by, I suggest you post your problems in the Windows section, listing not only the Vista version, the PC specs and any other programs you may be running. There, I and several others can help you resolve your situation. I would help here, but this is a general discussion/rant section. It is inconceivable that the two programs introduced almost together would be inherently incompatible - they were in development together, and promoted heavily. There have to be other explanations.

[RexRicardus]

While I understand that people are upset with Vista, I'm not sure why. I am not a computer person - I just use my computer to get email and a few applications and so far Vista is just great for me. When I see all of the critiques, I'm never quite sure what is being criticized? and PCWorld never really explains it - you just keep saying "Oh, Vista is awful!" I don't see it - would it be possible to get an in-depth article for laymen (not computer people) on why Vista is so bad and why I should hate it? Just as a note: I don't care if Vista automatically updates my computer as I really am not concerned that Bill Gates is taking over the world and planning to use me and my computer as part of his evil, world domination plans...

[Northlite]

I had to use compat mode for only 2 of our 95 era games the others worked fine. I found the comaptibility mode worked better in Vista then it did in XP. This is with Vista Basic on a AMD dual core Acer machine we got for $300 that gets quite the work out with all the kids. We need to run older games games like Tuneland, Power Rangers, Midtown Madness, Need for Speed - the oldest version, Elf Bowl, Spank Frank, the most intense game we use is probably Barnyard, in short I load on about 30 assorted games dating from a few months ago to 13 yrs old and the kids ages 5 - 18 use them. They also use quite a bit of online sites that offer gaming like Disney and Nick Jr. This machine also has to run AOL for members of that that refuse to use anything else. I have allot of practice on setting up computers since I do it for all my freinds and family, so far we have purchased 6 Vista machines (2 desktops, 4 laptops) with out any issues using them. I have to say adding the sweet 19" LCD widescreen monitor does help with the way everything looks. With only 1 gig or ram this computer seems to keep up fine with out any delays.

I had problems with an older HP All in One Officejet 6000 series and HP said just plug it in and use the generic drivers they gave MS or buy a new one. It worked fine and I could use any photo program of my choice to scan which I don't use often, the scan to pc button never worked for me anyway so I didn't miss that and I didn't miss the boat load of software HP loads onto your computer when you use the install cd - alot that boots with start up for nothing I needed it to do. On my main computer and laptop for personal and work use I haven't had any software problems but I do use a lot of open source and freeware and they seem to keep up to date with that type of software better then say Quicken 2007 that my bill minder no longer works with and Quicken does not seem to be able to fix that since last yr. I use online, email, instant messaging, manage 3 web site with graphic programs like GIMP and Irfranview using FrontPage 2003 and Nvu, I rip am burn music to CD and MP3 player and work with allot of personal digital pictures. I usually have 3-7 programs open at all time switching between them, Vista seems to handle this fine. I test beta software and any other software before I recommend it to anyone else for use.

I never ugraded any of our 98/ME machines to XP as I felt it wasn't practical, we still have an Windows 98 user left and for what they use the computer for it is fine, we just wait until they either can afford or want a new computer and buy the OS that way. I would never upgrade any XP machine with Vista for this same reason.

[TNgizmo]

Sorry to all who think this is Visat bashing. I am a photographer who has clients with PCs, thus, I use a PC for my Photoshop work. I have had trouble since January 2007 with a NIKON film scanner, an Epson flatbed scanner, and an HP Color Laserjet printer, not to mention about 5 other peripherals. Now then, the Epson has been cleared up. THe NIKON I still have to use with a back up PC and XP. The printer I found a commercial interface and driver for, which does work with VISTA. I have purchased Photoshop CS3, and it works with Vista. I still have to use the XP machine to scan color slides and film, but at least I can do that. It was months before I could get some work arounds to work. And to this day, An imaging processing plugin for my scanners will not work with VISTA, LaserSoft's Silverfast. The fun part is that Dell shipped my new PC with VISTA without letting me have the choice. Thank goodness, I have laptop with XP; at least I am still in business, though barely.