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Farewell Vista, Hello XP

#61 User is offline   Zarkon Icon

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 01:46 AM

I have thouroughly enjoyed reading these comments, though they remind me of the comments following introduction of every new windows product. I am still using xp on my machines. I have 1 runing xp 1 running xp proffesional and 1 running xp professional 64 bit.
What I don't understand is why move to Vista if you stay with the 32 bit version????
There just aren't enough improvements to justify the price. I may be wrong, but, I doubt there is much fundemental difference between xp and 32 bit vista.
I think Dr. Dobbs said it best. When asked what he thought about the future increases in computer speed and power he said it didn't matter because the programmers would just piss away the speed.(not quite a quote. When I read this, Gates worked for IBM, but I had to share)

By the way does anyone know why the 64bit ver of xp was abandoned? Other than issues with 64 bit driver and antivirus availability the OS has proven bullit proof and virus proof.
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 09:54 AM

I have been using vista on my dell B110 for a year now. I have found that most problem with the vista upgrade has been installing the upgrade over an already updated xp. I reinstalled xp without updating it.(disconect from the internet). then install vista upgrade.Reconnect to internet, update.turn off the user account headache. Restart computer, press F-8, Select Disable Driver signature enforcement, restart. reinstall backed up files and programs. Vista runs as good as xp. NO HEADACHE ! Also go to windows live beta download the {color:#0080ff}Now released{color} windows live mail, works just like outlook express in vista.
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 10:02 AM

humblejerome got it right. thats THE ONLY problem i ran into with vista. never ever install vista over your xp files. other than that it runs better than xp 32 bit in my opinion. and as far the user account thing goes, i dont find it all that annoying. sometimes i turn it off but i actually find comfort in the extra security measures. though if someone is trying to get into your files or change something, its not like they are going to say " oh no i dont want to continue" when prompted what to do. dunno what microsoft really wanted to accomplish with the user accounts
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#64 User is offline   humblejerome Icon

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 06:40 PM

The user account is a matter of personal choice, but it can also cause compatibility problems with older third party software.

I find it's best to turn off and use a good third party anti- virus and anti- spyware software. If you use an older processor use




AutoMz Ultimate Tweaker. mztweak.bravehost.com/index.html
to tweak your Vista !





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#65 User is offline   Jackie40d Icon

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 05:28 AM

Just wait till you get a WGA ERROR hehehehe
Then you will spend days on the phone talking to Microsoft to get it running again . . Try up dating a driver or a program . . The next thing to get is Linux Mandriva i586 2008 DVD version full 64 bit O/S and finds it all while installing BUT you better have a CPU and a Mother board to go FULL 64 bit . . I switched MB and CPU as I thought I was 64 bit able but wasn't . . DVD said your not 64 bit able and the installation is shutting down . . I immediately shut down swapped MB and CPU added more Ram . . and re did it . .
The DVD
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#66 User is offline   Geejay Icon

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 06:09 AM

How is it that I have no problems with Vista -- whatsoever and I've been using it since it was born. Is it me? I have XP on a first partition and I backup both regularly with Norton Backup 12.
Of course, if you run a 486...

Geejay
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 07:07 AM

You have lucked out and have not done any major upgrades and that is all I can say about your not having problems
I run a Socket 775 CPU 3.46 Intel and a jetway mother board and it is 64 bit able and 128 bit dual channel I am FULLY 64 bit able and will never add the stuff you want to run and shorty I will leave windows almost completely I will be running Linux Mandriva i586 2008 DVD version ( 64 bit O/S ) and running windows junk inside of it using VMware-server but only for things which to date do not have Linux Drivers . . And the number of those is getting smaller and smaller as more and more of us get tired of MS bull !

Sheepeople are the people whom buy cars which need the Tires fixed every month or the carb adjusted every month refereing to Microsoft OS users
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 08:09 AM

I pretty much did the same thing as most of the mainstream products that I use every day did not work well under Vista including most Adobe programs - especially Framemaker. It would be nice if Microsoft and Adobe would bury the hatchet other than in the backs of their customers.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 08:30 AM

XP is not the panacea people think. I had a computer meltdown (courtesy of an antivirus program.) The ONLY way I could try an XP recovery was by digging out of an old box a floppy drive, because that was the ONLY way I could load the RAID drivers I needed. When was the last time you used a floppy on your system? In the end, I had to do a clean install of Vista Business. Though it's been a pain reloading programs, Vista runs more smoothly and quicker than XP ever did. Several devices on my motherboard I thought were dead (like the nVidia Ethernet) suddenly came back to life. I can overclock my system which, under XP, only crashed when overclocked. Do yourself a favor. Ignore this article. I suspect Mr. Jacobi just doesn't deal well with change. And Microsoft is not the only cause of problems and confusion with a new OS. Just take a look at all the programs that have had to be "fixed" to run with Mac OS X 10.5.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 09:58 AM

>>I had a computer meltdown (courtesy of an antivirus program.)

When are you guys going to get a clue... You don't have to worry about viruses and spyware with Linux...

Try it you will be surprised. It just works.. Like Windows should (but doesn't)
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 10:08 AM

>>When are you guys going to get a clue... You don't have to worry about viruses and spyware with Linux

I guess about the time Linux has the support of Adobe and other key graphics companies. I work daily in Photoshop, Lightroom and InDesign. Linux has ZERO support for these programs. As for viruses, etc., give it time. Linux occupies less than 5% of computer space, Macs 10+%. It makes sense that hackers and cyber terrorists attack the largest common denominator -- Windows. If Linux was the major shareholder, I guarrentee it would not be so safe. Even Macs are starting to experience their first attacks.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:04 PM

haha I already do have Linux Mandriva on my laptop which came with "VISTA" on it lasted all of maybe 30 seconds I droped the DVD in and rebooted . . BYE BYE MS ! Loaded EVERYTHING and ran I loaded Code Weavers Pro 6.2 just so I could show the other people I could run their programs right there in front of them I loaded XP OFFICE PRO right into Linux . . Runs at Linux speeds does not ask why or BSOD appear like windows does . . NO LOCK UPS or problems wth added in stuff ( OH YEAH to you MS sheepeople I DID NOT HAVE TO shut it down to run the program ) See that is what a GOOD O/S does and I do not need patches EVERY MONTH like you do . . nana nana na na ! ]:)
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:07 PM

I'm about to have had it with Linux-and-the-like comments.
I worked on mane frames back in the 60's; got my 1st PC, well it was an Apple II, back in '81, adopted the IBM clones in '84 and used Windows (every single ones -- and I still have the disks, diskettes, cd&dvd's, etc. of every issues. (Yes, DOS 2.2 too) and I'm still having a great time with my MS machines.
I'm a (part time retired) self employed PC consultant and in infographics (Photoshop is one) and I won't leave an OS that has served me so well along all those years: Windows.
I would not come back to linear programming.
JG
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#74 User is offline   Jackie40d Icon

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:08 PM

Does not need it has its own Graphics programs and they do it as well as the windows stuff does and your wrong about ADOBE as we have flash and shockwave too plus Adobe reader . . So your a bit off in the woods there you have not checked the latest versions of Linux out


Have you got a 64 bit computer ? If so you need to try thge linux Mandriva i586 DVD 2008 version and then tell me you got something in windows
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:30 PM

Hmm, as I see it with Code Weavers, the newest Acrobat supported is 5.0 -- three versions old. The newest Photoshop supported is 7.0 -- THREE generations old. Linux has much going for it, but in photography and graphics, Photoshop (for better or worse) is THE gold standard. I checked out your version of Linux -- not much information on it from their web site. Code Weavers, nice program for mostly older programs. No thank you. I'll stick with Windows, for better or worse. I've worked with computers for 25-years, built my own for 20+ years. Nothing out there is perfect -- not even Linux, not Mac OS X. It all depends on what you do and what you are willing to deal with. For me, I'm not ready to give up the plethora of programs available to me on Windows so I can say I run an "alternative OS". The day Adobe and other major players port their software to Linux will be the day I consider switching.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:50 PM

BRAVO! Well stated!

L I N U X S C H M I N U X !!!!
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 02:41 PM

Okay, let's try to squash any potential conflict before things get out of hand.

Chedderhead, please refrain from any personal attacks against any member of this Community. Spirited and heated discussions are fine but the line is drawn at personal attacks, whether direct or indirect. Your last post has been removed for violating the Community Standards.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 03:01 PM

You gotta be kidding me, right? Incidentally, how does one go about having a post removed?
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 03:04 PM

Again, any posts that violate the Community Standards will be removed. Repeated posts of such a nature could result in your User ID being banned. The Community Standards are hyperlinked in my previous post.

If you have any further questions regarding why your post, or any post, is removed or edited, please feel free to contact any of the Member Moderators or Kellie, the Forum Moderator.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 03:31 PM

Why is it that ANY discussion of XP and Vista (both by Microsoft) has to ALWAYS degenerate into LINUX vs. the rest of the world. When LINUX supports the latest applications which we HAVE TO USE in everyday business THEN and ONLY THEN will this type of discussion be appropriate!

Nothing against LINUX but please give us a break!
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