[Flashorn]

Hey MPH !!



I think this is my fault . I thought this was the same member.

Since you say it's alright to continue then I will.

Sorry.



FLASHORN.

[Flashorn]

Hey riko!!


Sorry it took so long to get back to you , ran into some problem with

FF3 and re-installed FF2.



OK, thankx , I know about cpuid. Alright, I think the discrepancy comes from

the settings . I'll show you a few pics .

!http://forums.pcworld.com/legacyimages/
1!

This is what you should see on your desktop.All of the regular details.

This is mine a few minutes ago.

If you minimize, the temp is still showing in the notification area.



The next one will show you how to set the temp in the app. for good reporting.

!CropperCapture58].jpg!











The default setting , is for Sensor 2. Make sure this is where Your Setting is.







To set: on the left hand side, you will see CPU under Temperatures.



Click on the CPU . The view will be the same as in the pic.



In the pic. where you see the "Sensor: Sensor 2 ( 48C / 119 F ) v



click on the little arrow to Change to Sensor 2 if you have Sensor 1.







This should give you the proper reading.







Just to make sure that your cores are not heating up,



If you want , download and install ,



Core Temp <font style="font-size:[{color}{size}{font}

You can download from the link above or go to the site and read about it.

www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp .



This is a free app. and will show the temp. for both cores.



PLZ post your temps. as 62 under load is fine but, not under normal use.







FLASHORN.

[riko]

www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php

thanks a mill. just curious what's the diff between sensor 1 and 2? sensor two is difinitely lower reading, now showing in the high 40's , low 50's. wish i knew how to get a screen shot of it.

[mphenterprises]

Hi Flashorn. No apologizes necessary. :D To make it easier to differentiate between the original poster and a respondent, the original poster of any Discussion will be in blue. Check the first post of this Discussion for an example.

[rgreen4]

There are two ways to take a screen shot - 1st, in XP and Vista hit the Print Screen (PrtScn) key. Then open the MS Paint application - Start, All Programs, Accessories, Paint - and then under Edit hit the paste key. This will past the screen image into paint and then you can save it as a JPG file. You can then click on the little green square at the top of the posting area as in this !http://forums.pcworld.com/legacyimages/
1! example. Then just follow the examples.

The second method in Vista (which I believe you have) is with the image on the screen open the snipping tool - Start, All Programs, Accessories, Snipping Tool - then when it opens the entire screen turns frosty with a small control panel and the cursor becomes a cross. Use the cross with the left button depressed to highlight the area you want to "snip". When you have the area selected, release the left button and the image snipped opens in a new box with the menu at the top, and you can select File and then Save As, giving a file name and select the type of file. Once you start using this method, you will find it much easier.

[Flashorn]

Hey riko!!


To the best of my knowledge , this would be for a single CPU as opposed to a Core2duo.

Thi is why we get false readings with the Sensor 1. Haven't tried it wiyh my other notebook which

happens to be a single core but, as soon as I am able to free myself I boot it up and try it out.

Couldn't find any explanations on their site either but , will contact them and ask.

Good question riko.



Do you sometimes travel with your notebook or is it stationary and on a desk all the time.

I ask because, there might be the fact that the battery will also generate some heat which will add to the total.

If it's not too much trouble , take the battery out and use the AC for a few hrs and see what comes

of it.

Mine is Always out as this is my main PC . I only recharge it once a month in case I would need to

take the notebook on the road.

My last post should have included a pic of the setiings but, as I said I've been having problems with FF3.

I'll try it again to see if it will upload this time.

If you would like to know how to upload images and screen shots , just read

this document from MPH How to upload screen shots and images|d-1144] .







Also I use the [Screen Capture Tool form Brian Scott .



or download from link . Cropper Capture .

you will have to accept the free eula and then download.









FLASHORN.

[riko]

thanks! i'll give it a (screen) shot!

[riko]

thanks again, you've been most helpful. i notice my temp goes up when the dvd or cd is playing also, which makes sense. as for the battery, i'll take it out, as i usually keep in one place most of the time, and move it occassionally. i'm currently at 43C with dvd running.

despite all this overly warm keyboard, i do like this HPdv6875se.

[Flashorn]

Hey riko!!



Yes , I do like this notebook but, mine doesn't get that hot anymore.

When I complained about the heat , it had only been running for about a week.

Now, after a full three weeks of running almost 20 hrs. a day , it seems as the temp.

has settled. The only time it will get really hot but, still within limits 67*C , is when I am

using a video converter to convert a file from one format to another so I can burn it to a DVD.

Burning a CD or a DVD will not get it over 54C . Playing a Cd or DVD will not make it go over 47C.



Right click your task bar and open Task Manager to see how many processes are running along with

memory usage. On Vista I have 77 running processes and they use 35% of the memory.

That , in my opinion , is enormous considering that 35% of 3Gigs of memory is quite a bit.

In XP I have 55 running processes and memory usage is about 32%. But, that's 32% of only

1 Gig of memory. So, yes Vista is a HOG . the more you feed it , the more it takes.

My point is , that with all of those processes running, your notebook will generate more heat

because it takes more CPU cycles and more memory to run Vista which in turn generates

more heat.



hope I'm not chewing off too much of your ear LOL!





FLASHORN.

[riko]

Hey Flashorn,

Not chewing off a bit, i appreciate all the great info. Maybe mine just needs to break in. I went back to Best Buy the other day and felt several machines. Some seemed to be hotter than others just sitting idly.

i'm currently running 88 processes, at 52% memory, yer right, Vista is a hog, but she's a purdy hog. i do like her more than xp so far.

i think the best work around for when I'm doing crunch time work is to plug in a keyboard that's more comfortable. I guess portablitly has it's price, and that's heat. i feel better that altough it's not ideal, it's not functioning abnormally.

Cheers!
Riko

[Flashorn]

Hey riko!!



Glad I could help!

One more thing that bothers me, You seem to have quite a few running processes.

What Security Programs are you running? Or do you have any?



FLASHORN.

[rgreen4]

Riko and Flashorn - Yeh, she is a pretty hog. But she is not as much of a hog as everyone thinks. Vista manages the memory a little differently than XP. In XP the instant you close an application it frees up the memory used by that application. Then when you re-open the appliction a few minutes later (forgot to do something), it has to reload everything. In Vista, when you close an application, the memory is not cleared. So if you re-open the application before another app needs that memory, many of the elements are still in memory and it will open a little faster. I just checked my custom built machine with the Gigabyte P35 MB and it showed 28% memory usage of 4GB (actually 3581K recognized) which would equate to a little over 1GB used. I started my HP Media Center with 2GB (2048K recognized) and it showed 34% used with the same apps loaded (FF) and a few more processes which would equate to a little under 700K. And lets not forget that everytime they improve the interface it takes a little more memory. And have they improved the interface!

Riko - you might want to pick up a book that I have found very helpful - David Pogue's - "Windows Vista - The Missing Manual". I have found this series very helpful in explaining things in a very straightforward and understandable manner without talking down to you as the dummy books do. It's a little over 800 pages. It's available for $23.09 from Amazon and it may be the best $23 you ever spent. Mine is definitely worn as when I went to Vista in May of 2007, I was one of the few in the community, there wasn't a lot of Vista Users out there.

These recent HP consumer laptops are also a slick machine. Mine (dv9500t) will be a year old in September and I absolutely love it. I use it in the eventings sitting in the living room watching TV and browsing the web, or working on something.

Remember, anytime you have a question or a problem the community is open 24/7.

[piyushsingh]

I agree with rgreen on the memory issue. The memory management is totally different in vista and its much better than XP. It looks like memory hog but it isn't . Infact it runs programs faster. The feature that rgreen was talking about is called superfetch , its an enhanced version of prefetch cache management which can be used in XP with some reg. tweaks. The more ram you put in vista the more gets cached for better use. But unfortunately those vista bashers don't understand this thing as they just look at the top.

[riko]

Hey Flashorn,

i'm running McAfee, it s free wtih Comcast. Lost respect for Norton when they wouldn't honor my upgrade, i vowed to not use such a dishonest company.

cheers,

Riko

[Flashorn]

Hey rg!!



Yes, I too like my Vista notebook. I still think that it is a hog as far as memory goes. The interface , for me anyways ,

is partly the cause for this hunger. I always skin the interface i'm using so, the aero graphics is a waste "for me".

The prefetch in XP now called superfetch in Vista would indeed explain the amount of memory needed in Vista.

Combining both aero and superfetch makes for a heavier OS. But, don't get me wrong , as long as it is faster than XP

and will not ask for more to run whatever I would like to use , I'll be happy. All of this was to explain to riko that,

the more processes the more memory needed the more heat will be generated

especially in a notebook where the space is Very limited.Like I said rg, 32% of one Gig is 327K.

35% of 3Gigs is 1075.2K. That's three times as much, and my security programs don't

take all that much to run.

PLZ don't get me wrong , I like Vista . It is faster at opening my programs And I can run quite a few

at the same time with ought any noticeable slow downs. My point was that, if you don't need all that power

this would definitely be a waste of money. A fun experience but still a waste of money.



FLASHORN.

[Flashorn]

hey Piyush!!



Nice to hear from you!



I did see this superfetch when I was looking around Vista but, it never

dawned on me that it was the big brother of prefetch. The place that I saw

this was in the Task Manager and was wondering why it was using so

much of my resources. Now I Know. I will now be looking at stopping some of these

memory hungry processes to see what effect they would have on Vista.

Would you have any idea where I can start safely. I guess this would have to be a

new thread but if you do have a place to start then, I will start a new one.

Also , did you look at the thread (now a Doc.) Pagefile .

and tell me what you think of this tweak.



FLASHORN

[Flashorn]

Hey riko!!



Now depending on which suite of McAfee came with Comcast, this might be

part of why you have so many processes running. We all know that

Norton and McAfee ARE resources Hogs. This is why this Community has

a different perspective on how one should secure his/her PC.

We , at PCW advocate the Layered or Tiered way of protecting ones PC.

Don't get me wrong, McAfee does have good security and their Firewall is one of the best

but along with Norton, they take allot of power to run.

have a look at your Task Manager again and click on the "Show processes From All Users"

at the bottom left hand corner . Now take a look at all of the processes that McAfee uses

then calculate the memory used.



FLASHORN

[piyushsingh]

Hi Flashorn
Dont try to kill the process related to superfetch , it may harm the system. I have been using vista for about an year now and have done all this experimentation. The safe way to turn off this is from the services . You may start a discussion if you wish Or just PM me .

Regarding your reg tweak , ya i did see that. I ll post a comment there. :)
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[riko]

thanks, yes it uses a lot, 42256kb if i calculated right. how does layered or tiered work?

[JB4PC]

Hello!

I am the original poster. Thank you for your input on Sony vs. HP. I actually bought the HP Pavillion I described and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. (I've been taking it to work and wondered what all these emails were about. Apparently, hot laptops generate more posts than brand preferences! haha). No worries about changing the topic. My new HP laptop actually is a bit warm under my palms.

But here's a question for the group: Why is my laptop hotter at home than at work? Is it all about the work area surrounding my laptop? At home, I have it on my dining room table (which is covered by a cloth (cotton/blend) tablecloth. Yes, I'll admit to some clutter on the table, too. At work, I've been working on a clean desk made of some composite material. Is it as simple as de-cluttering my home work space to make it run cooler under my palms like at work?

Thanks!

JB4PC