[rgreen4]

That was a real problem when XP came out, but since it was 7 years ago, everyone seems to have fairly well forgotten it. They forget that a PC that would run Win2K would run XP, but a lot of the Win98 stuff would not.
I have a Win98 P3 733 and the same problem. I have left it on Win98 but will probably scrap it soon as I no longer need the machine. I have so many old machines laying around now.

[piyushsingh]

hey rtfire . I too have a P3 from which i m typing at this time . Its 933 MHz and i m happy that xp had all mobo drivers needed. One of my friends has a similar situation like you and rgreen with P3 700MHz and that PC is now packed up . lol.

[rtfire1]

I just can't get my head around putting 1 gb of ram in a win 98 pc or twin 100 gb drives. it is a nice low end xp rig.

[rtfire1]

I am thinking I should start a problems with xp and other older os

[WinTard]

{quote:title=crazy4laptops wrote:}{quote}
If only the world/internet was more linux friendly...

Here's why vista doesn't work-
The computers of the beginning of vista era were not capable of unlocking the full potential of vista.
1gb of ram was still expensive 2 years ago, vista needs 2 gb or more just to run smoothly
vista basic isn't a real operating system. It is crap.
processors/northbridges aren't ready to handle the bandwith vista needs

Here's why it does work -
When theres enough computing muscle in the computer, vista runs splendidly
Updated drivers go a long way
defrag the hdd... often
streamline the fluff that you don't need
and defrag again with a different program

personal experience-

Take the hp dv6000t laptop - it was released with the rollout of vista
A friend of mine paid $1253 for one
Vista runs incredibly slow on it
here's why, it only has 1gb or ram
the processor is an old rollout of the centrino duo @ 1.6 ghz
the hdd isn't fast enough

He gave vista this analogy-
vista on this computer is like putting a scooter enginge inside a ferarri; it looks great on the showroom floor, but on the track, it has no power.

I paid $688 for the hp dv5z
Vista runs just about as good as xp (minus longer battery life)
why, because (imo) everything runs better with AMD inside
turion 64 x2 @ 2ghz
3gb of ddr2 ram
blazing fast sata hdd

All in all, it depends on what computer vista is installed on

Hello Crazy4laptops: Long time no see. Nice to bump into you again my friend. I think you hit the nail on the head. May I point out my simple perspective or understanding of your post; since this is a blog where differing opinions add to the value of the discussion, expanding all of our horizons. I am not being confrontational or anything. Just pointing out things...

>vista on this computer is like putting a scooter enginge inside a ferarri; it looks great on the showroom floor, but on the track, it has no power.

In your friend's example, the unclear implication is that Vista is the scooter engine, while the laptop he chose, was the Ferrari. While in reality it turns out the exact opposite.

The Ferrari is Vista, and the scooter's engine is the laptop CPU.

Thus he should have chosen a laptop that could handle vista efficiently, but only configured it with the bare essentials. His choice, or budget, but whatever the reason, the buck stops with him, when he sealed the transaction by purchasing the unit, with Vista preloaded.

The sad part is he got a bad experience out of it, and even more tragic, he didn't realize he made that decision; it was ultimately his responsibility. He probably had at least 15 days to test-drive his purchase, and return it for full-money back if unsatisfied. Even Dell has a 30 day money back satisfaction guarantee, for online purchases, versus brick-and-mortar, such as Best Buy, or Wal-Mart.

And the reason I concur with you with the "hit the nail on the head" statement is:

>When theres enough computing muscle in the computer, vista runs splendidly

Now the way I see things, Vista was a learning lesson for Microsoft, and based on my beta experience with Windows 7 x64, the simple truth in my perspective is: WOW! Whatever was wrong with Vista, they corrected in Windows 7. Let's not forget Windows 7 is really (NT 6.1) while Vista was (NT 6.0). A mere minor version upgrade. Regardless of how Microsoft wants to market it. Actually, I find it rather um stupid of Microsoft for naming the next major release of Windows, changing names and all, from Vista, to Windows 7, while in reality it is only a minor enhancement technically... I would have preferred that Windows 7 be built on (NT 7). Don't you think it would then have made sense? Because at this rate, Windows 8 will be based on (NT 7) which is somewhat incongruent IMHO... But I guess they must have good reasons such as the 'revolutionary' WinFS which didn't make it in yet alas...

As for the R.I.P. designation, I think that is childish. Nothing is going the way of R.I.P. Vista is simply metamorphosing from v6.0 to v6.1 A minor upgrade, fundamentally the same. Just done right.

For Windows 7 to be what it is, we all had to experience the growing pains of an advanced OS, in advance of its time, due to sub-par hardware at the time it was introduced.

But now, we're reaching the critical mass in terms of cost/performance with decent laptops with 4GB true 64-bit Core2 Duo, for $700... And my opinion is Windows 7 is poised just right to propel the industry to the next plateau for the foreseeable future


Be well my friend.

PS: I must visit that thread you created concerning quotes...

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A good fortune may forebode a bad luck, which may in turn disguise a good fortune.
{Chinese Proverb}

[WinTard]

{quote:title=chipbennett wrote:}{quote}
Why is this article in the "Business Center"?

Shouldn't it be under "Opinion Columns".

I'm no fan of Vista, but this article isn't "news", much less business-centric news.

Rather, it's punditry, pure and simple.

I applaud your comment chipbennett! While I am new to this community, having joined since Jan 16 2009, I find way too much opinions, bias, and BS being dispensed by dubious authors and so called journalists disguised as News.

You are right for pointing out the section it is classified under.

PC World » Business Center » Operating Systems » Vista » News

My opinion, is PCWorld and its founding publisher lack the proper editorial supervision, and simply publishes a lot of nonsense articles.

But that is just my humble opinion. I am somewhat reassured when I stumble upon intellectual members such as yourself, who have the integrity to point out the same conclusions I came to, especially, those who use other OS like you do, yet do not show the so common and petty prejudice of simple minded fans of a camp or another. That is a rare quality which I recognize and appreciate deeply.

My respects sir, you are a gentleman and scholar. I am looking forward to have further interesting and challenging conversations with you.

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When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.
~ Lao Tzu

Even the experts were beginners at one point.
~ Crazy4laptops

[WinTard]

{quote:title=dragon69 wrote:}{quote}
and yes most of the crashes were pre sp1 but that is still a too high of number for non beta ( well supposed to be non beta ) software

and the biggest mistake i made was choosing vista home premium 64 bit

( i know if i went with 32 bit most of the drivers ( yes i searched everywhere

for drivers and even tried some experimental drivers from different manufactures) were there and i would of had a lot less crashes

and i did wait atleast 12 or more months after vista was released before my purchase ( but never again will microsoft get my money but if a new comp comes with a new os i will use it but i will never spend any of my money on a microsoft purchase

i only have a grade 9 education ( and a measley iq of 127 . . . know most of you are smarter then me but i work with what i got lol ) but i am the closet thing to a it person that my family and friends have and work on many computers ( some for free amd sometimes for money)

You followed your intuition, and helped make the whole situation so much better, by having the courage to be an early adopter. If everybody did what you propose, no progress would ever occur.

My suggestion to you is never feel superior or inferior, just be content of what is. Thus you owe no explanations to anybody.

As for your IQ, 127 is nothing to sneer at. But what are mere numbers and quotients? If I divulged my IQ it would be offensive to some, I suppose... Did you know Einstein was considered a 'mentally challenged' um retard while in grade school by his teachers? I found it best to ignore such comparisons based on scales provided by others. We don't even know what intelligence or soul is... How can we measure it? How can you judge a book by its cover? How can you size up greatness? By height or weight? LOL. Some people are early, others are um retarded. Where do you think I got my name from? I've been blessed by many with that qualification. At first, it bothered me, then I simply decided to change my mind...

Back to topic: Thanks to the likes of early adopters like you, now Windows Vista x64 is quite a solid piece of software engineering. I've been using it for over a year with zero crashes, or issues, on a quad-core overclocked 8GB system. And am enthusiastically evaluating Windows 7 x64 on my Core2 Duo T9300 @ 2.5GHz 4GB RAM Dell Latitude D830 and am most impressed by its efficiency and stability. Zero issues with all kinds of funky drivers... All automatic. As a matter of fact, I never use non WHQL drivers. If I have to, I take responsibility for my failure to choose the better the manufacturers that would go through the process of certifying their drivers with Microsoft. Did you know the process is done automatically for a nominal $200 fee. Yes, ISVs simply submit their drivers to automatons, and if certified by MSFT, get included into their WHQL list, also meaning that end-users by going to the auto process of driver discovery, will end-up with the latest and WHQL certified drivers, directly from Microsoft servers? All these benefits for a mere paltry $200 fee? My take on this is any manufacturer as irresponsible for not doing the proper thing, doesn't deserve my respect, or my vote with my wallet. Simple eh?

Nice talking to you my friend.


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Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
~ Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826, 3rd President of the United States

While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior.
~ Henry C. Link

I was going to change my shirt, but I changed my mind instead.
~ Winnie the Pooh

As soon as you trust yourself, you will know how to live.
~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

If you don't trust yourself, who will?
~ Wintard's mom