[rtfire1]

what a joke. yes I hated Vista when it first came out now, I hate when I have to go back to an xp (32) pc. I have xp 64 on my laptop I am not sure why now that I have vista 32 and 64 intalled on it also. Vista runs fine on most newer post 3/30/07 desktops with 1 gb ram and on laptops with 2 gb ram. the only xp i would say i have a use for is xp media 05 works great on older pcs. I think they should have called it windows media but then every one would have thought ME which xp is based on.

So long story short go out and get a vista pc and try it! lets not wine because you pc can't run it. Look at that I can get a vista pc with 2 gb ram new for 300 bucks. I don't think thats to much for a new pc with the os on it.

[butlerwm]

I agree with the other comment posters that this piece is more opinion than news. However, where I part ways with many is in the citation of Vista as a superior OS. I've used Vista since its release on high-end single core (3GHz +) everything from mid-range 1.9GHz Core2 Duo to multi-processor Quad Core Xeons. I run it on machines with as little as 512 MB of RAM (and excersize in futility) to workstations with 8 GB (unless it's the 64bit version you're not using anything beyond 4 GB). In each case XP still out performed Vista in the tasked I cared about, which were video and 3D rendering.
I also worked in the IT department of a school district with approximately 1500 PCs. To date, XP remains the OS of choice, there, because it requires less babysitting. Microsoft has made statements that Windows 7 will address speed, stability, and OS footprint issues. If that's the case, it may be worth the change. If not... well they'll still have a lot of convincing to do if they hope to get business users back in the buying loop. Regardless, there will continue to be enough people who'll buy Vista to keep the myth of its superiority afloat until then.

[Alibi]

This is just insulting to people who chose, use and like Vista. Sure you can have an opinion, but writing it as news breaks the credibility of the publisher. PCWorld have got a week to apologise for such pathethic journalism or I'm off their subscription for good.

[rtfire1]

I have found xp very lacking in the play back of hdvideo being it a mkv file or hd or blu-ray disk and i will not even get started on its issues with hdmi audio. I can state that every thing i do on my laptop and desktops the ones that have vista on them have always out done xp when i did my time test for example buring disk with nero incoding video and so forth.

[wra1th]

This is the most rediculous publishing of opinion from a complete idiot I have ever seen! The writer should be fired along with the editor that didnt bother to throw this in the trash! Get your facts straight before writing complete nonsence! Now as far as vista is concerned, I have used it since the beta and have had ZERO conflicts, problems, issues, or any negative impact whatsoever! Granted I am an IT professional and have a system that I personally built to run vista on with more than the reccomended hardware. People that try vista on a windows 98 machine like this idiot probably did are going to have problems. You cant put a datsun engine in a mercedes and expect to have luxery! GET A CLUE! Vista is great if you are a competant user with the right equipment to run it! Go linux or xp if your hardware is too weak to run the mercedes of operating systems!

[drachir]

Hey wraith, some of us don't want to drive a Mercedes. Like myself. I am perfectly content to drive a Ford Focus. It does all that I need it to do, without any wasted horsepower or gasoline. If you have a cutting-edge machine, and want to run a cutting-edge OS, go Vista yourself. Windows XP Professional still has all the power and reliability I need, and I bet my PC is greener than yours. There are millions of users and businesses out there that DO NOT WANT to upgrade. It should not be forced upon us. That is what this article is all about. Kudos to you Steven.

[BKA4U2C]

Drachir, what article were you reading?

[etschuetz]

Ok, so what is your point Mr. Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, Computerworld.com? So you HATE Vista, whoohoo! I personally like Vista, but that could just be me. Yes, it has it's annoyances and requires a decently powered machine, but again, it isn't the worst OS Microsoft has released.
Your tangent in this article did not do any good except serve as a tantrum fueled rant. A shame that someone like you can be considered a journalist. Where were the "5 W's" in this article? Your personal view in regards to why Vista "sucks" and relating it to Ballmer's statements does not validate a point. It is opinion. If you want opinions, Ballmer is probably trying to save face with vista by demeaning it as he did.
If Vista is so horrible, why not make your next article a list of the top 10 reasons why it is so horrible?
Honestly, you sound like them ludicrous Apple vs PC commercials.

[wra1th]

I understand corperations not wanting to upgrade due to the cost and hassle, but the fact remains this article is simply opinionated crap and not worth the webspace it occupies. None the less lets think about your green statement. If in fact you are running a toyota corrolla as compared to a mercedes then your computer surely is not more green. the newest processors are way more green than anything in the past. Less power consumption with more performance. If you are running new equipement then vista should work great! Another thing, most companies dont upgrade for lack of knowledge and knowhow from their IT staff that doesnt want to retrain or rethink what they already know. People get stuck in their ways including IT staff! Actually especially IT staff!! Cost is a huge factor but considering the improved productivity, security, and ease of use, all these excuses I layed out for you are irrelevant. Now jump into the year 2009 and use the latest innovations to better your business and personal life, which right now happens to be vista. You talk just like a grumpy old woman that refuses to use a microwave because is nothing wrong with her oven. or still hand-washing clothes instead of using the new washing machine in the laundry room. Some people just cant handle evolution and dont want to change because of either stubbornness or ignorance, either way it is simply silly!

[wra1th]

lol was wondering that same thing

[crazy4laptops]

If only the world/internet was more linux friendly...

Here's why vista doesn't work-
The computers of the beginning of vista era were not capable of unlocking the full potential of vista.
1gb of ram was still expensive 2 years ago, vista needs 2 gb or more just to run smoothly
vista basic isn't a real operating system. It is crap.
processors/northbridges aren't ready to handle the bandwith vista needs

Here's why it does work -
When theres enough computing muscle in the computer, vista runs splendidly
Updated drivers go a long way
defrag the hdd... often
streamline the fluff that you don't need
and defrag again with a different program
personal experience-

Take the hp dv6000t laptop - it was released with the rollout of vista
A friend of mine paid $1253 for one
Vista runs incredibly slow on it
here's why, it only has 1gb or ram
the processor is an old rollout of the centrino duo @ 1.6 ghz
the hdd isn't fast enough

He gave vista this analogy-
vista on this computer is like putting a scooter enginge inside a ferarri; it looks great on the showroom floor, but on the track, it has no power.

I paid $688 for the hp dv5z
Vista runs just about as good as xp (minus longer battery life)
why, because (imo) everything runs better with AMD inside
turion 64 x2 @ 2ghz
3gb of ddr2 ram
blazing fast sata hdd

All in all, it depends on what computer vista is installed on

[etschuetz]

YOu realize what you just said in regards to Vista was the same thing that happened with XP when it first landed? I think EVERYONE forgot about that. When XP landed, there were loads of compatibility issues that ticked off the consumer market. Games didn't work, programs needed patches, and the hardware requirements were expensive. Fast forward to the release of Vista, and we have the same exact problem. People are complaining about games not being compatible (My Aliens Vs Predator has a HUD issue which I believe has to do with the Vista Side bar), Hardware issues (My lexmark z82 has no drivers), and the hardware was expensive to upgrade to to enjoy it.

I am a late adopter. I like to wait for things to catch up and balance out. I bought an eMachines a year ago, and yeah, it didn't handle Vista Home Basic well with the 512 mb of Ram, I knew it wouldn't. I bought 2 gigs and it purrs. I have an NVidea GeForce 8500 in there and it looks smooth. I still have driver issues, and game/program compatibility issues, but oh well. Life goes on, as it always does.

Folks, it is time to move on. Vista isn't going to magically disappear. Eveyrone will find things about it they like, or dislike. It is how it is.

[Pizzaboy192]

Hello all...
PcWorld: I am Seriously Disappointed...
First: Windows 2000 and Windows XP were 2 years seperated, and what happened? They were BOTH hits...
Remember what happened when XP was released? People complained because their 95 and 98 systems couldn't handle it properly. I use XP on my laptop, because that is what it was DESIGNED for, but I specifically asked for VISTA on my new Custom built desktop, because I Knew it was better. Windows 7 could be called Vista2 just as easy, because of its likeness, and after testing 7, I can say that. People should have learned by now that in order to move ahead in an operating system, you need to up the requirements.
It is just like a gaming console. I haven't upgraded from a Playstation yet, but I do know that I would not want to try playing any new PS3 games on it, because of the AGE.
I am glad to say that I LOVE Vista. I have even messed around with its limits. Vista WILL run on a 1GHZ celeron system with 128 MB of ram, and an onboard video card. Well? No, adequately, yes... it will also run on a 2.6Ghz Dual Core AMD system with a Brand New ATI video card, and 4 GB of ram.
Seeing as almost every Windows Operating system has followed "closely" after the other, there is no reason to say to scrap Vista.
As for MACS, Apple almost FORCED you to get a new Mac, just to use its OsX system. I am glad and proud to say that my Macs use Os9, only because they cannot handle the new Os. You DONT call that UnFair?
I am Just Really Disapointed that PcWorld would let someone RANT like that, with nothing to back the rant besides a few random blog picks, NO ACTUAL FACTS!
Pizza-Out
Http://wacker.is-a-geek.net Visit if you like VISTA

[coastie65]

Most of my neighbors are using one Vista or the other as does my Brother-in-Law. All are happy with it and have had no complaints. None are gamers so have never explored that aspect. Personally, I use XP MCE 2005 and am perfectly happy with it and see no reason to upgrade. The bottom line is, I don't have an issue with Vista, I do have an issue with Micro$oft and their marketing tactics. In my opinion it is a strong arm tactic in forcing people to adopt their latest and greatest, whether or not they want or need it. When hardware doesn't work, MicroSoft is quick to blame the developers of the drivers, when software fails,again the blame falls on the developers. Micro$oft while trying to protect their precious " Proprietary" aspects of an OS, withholds necessary information from the developers to develope the software and then blames the developers. How much stuff has Micro$oft snatched over the years and then called it is own. IE comes to mind as it wasn't originally developed by Micro$oft. I'm not sure, but this Aero Glass thing in Vista may be traceable to the Mac OS. In stead of trashing Vista ( I'm no fan ), I think it should be aimed at Micro$oft. coastie65

[crazy4laptops]

how on earth can you say that you've tested windows 7?

The beta isn't planned to be released until december

[coastie65]

etschuetz said:

I am a late adopter. I like to wait for things to catch up and balance out. I bought an eMachines a year ago, and yeah, it didn't handle Vista Home Basic well with the 512 mb of Ram, I knew it wouldn't. I bought 2 gigs and it purrs. I have an NVidea GeForce 8500 in there and it looks smooth. I still have driver issues, and game/program compatibility issues, but oh well. Life goes on, as it always does.


Folks, it is time to move on. Vista isn't going to magically disappear. Eveyrone will find things about it they like, or dislike. It is how it is.

I believe the issues you are having is due to the Nvidia 8500 card. It is a terrible gaming card and I had issues with it as well, After less than a month I was ready to throw it out the door. After checking the stats, I knew i had screwed up and I bought an 8600GT. It only has a bit transfer rate of 64 Bits as opposed to 128 bits for the 8600GT. There are some other factors as well, had I had checked them out, I wouldn't have bought the 8500GS. Coastie65

[Pizzaboy192]

"The beta isn't planned to be released until december"

Not true, M1 and M2 have both been released, and both were timebombed, and you had to know where to get them.

I am looking foreward to M3, and to see the new changes, but windows7 or vista2, whatver you want to call it, it runs the same as vista does on my system, which is most disappointing, I was hoping that it would be choppy, slow, and was power hungry, BECAUSE it means that there is PROGRESS!

this thread is going the way of the "Anti-New Facebook" people went. the couldnt let go of something that worked, for something that worked better...

As for the New Vista, I am all for it, even if my system can keep up with it. that just means that I can put off that planned upgrade for a few more years...

Another thing, I can run Vista ULTIMATE on a 1.7ghz P4 Dell Dimention Desktop with So-Dimm Ram (really slow for you computer noobs) and it runs GREAT!



Don't complain until you make sure that your system is set up PROPERLY, when done correctly, you can run Vista on a i486 (a really old processor for you noobs)

[crazy4laptops]

was it with technet or torrent sites? (where you got the m1&2 of win7)

[Pizzaboy192]

Technet, Never Torrents...

I signed up for technet when the vista beta was announced...

I feel like a beta collector though, I have a copy of "chicago" along with many other windows betas, like windows 2, and 3.2...

its a nice feeling, like I have history behind some good systems

[baseballboy64116]

Wow whoever just posted that article just hates Vista. This is not news, that is an opinion from somebody that just hates something. I dont blame him for hating something; we all do! But if he has to share his opinion in a way that is considered news then that is just bull right there.