[Kinman]

I am not a mac users, and I really think vista is just a fancy garbage.
I got a Q6600 cpu and 4gb ram, and vista is still slower than xp, how do you explain this? And how would you expect me to "upgrade" to vista?
I don't need a fancy OS and a further fancy but useless Aero effect, just give me something fast and useful.
I use computer to help me and give me convenient way to work, not to give me trouble.

[waldojim]

funny part - I was doing some comparisons - my Athlon XP 2200+ with 512MB of ram and OpenSuse 10.3 (LINUX of course) runs smoother and completes common tasks (web browser, editors, etc) quicker than my Core 2 Quad 9450 with 4GB of ram and Vista....



Really, really sad

[TechieXP]

So stupida$$. If you ahve a Mac then why come here an read about Windows? Thats why Mac us at teh bottom of teh pc gene poole. Bec that is where you all belong bec you're all a bunch of losers. Even when the fact of proof is in your face you all make coments that have no substance.

Are you the same ppl that claimed PC's ran on inferior hardware compared to Macs?Amazing now macs use teh same hardware. Aren't you the same ppl who claim Windows is so bad? So why make a mac so that it runs Windows?

Apple has pioneered a lot of innovation we enjoy on the PC. But isn't it amazing that the only headline making piece of hardware that has made media attention in Apple total existance is teh ipod and iphone. icrosoft is a software company not a hardware one...but yet MS has more milestones on both sides. Thats why you're referred too in this article simply as a piece of fruit. Bec you don't even deserved to be called by you name...

its obvious MS is trying to fix what they broke. But they just can't win with users. First off i knew of a women who stated she didn't know she had to have antivirus software, another users claimed they didn't know you had to download update fo antivirus or for Windows. Niw MS fines a way to help them with warning bubbles in Vista..now everyone is annoyed and they want them off again. I agree Vista was a bit overwhelming on the level...but what MS needs to do with Windows 7 is create 7Smart and 7 Stupid. So that people who actually know how to use Windows have their version and dumb people have there version.

An you Apple users? Its to few of you to matter. Windows appears in countries where Apples can't even grow and I mean that physically and metaphorically. And for you to make that errant comment just shows what is wrong with Apple. The logo with teh bite taken out is where you alls brain was.



PC are for serious computer users and Apple are just toys for the senseless pops who want it all done for them with no thought in the process. And I am not speaking of you Apple users who actually use them in business. You are an even smaller minority.

[TechieXP]

True. But ppl are to dumb to try before you buy. Here is something additional. MS recommends that it is best to buy a pc with a new OS versustrying to upgrade your pc. Why? bec in most cases most preowned pc ay not meet the specs needed to run the next OS. That is where most ppl ran into problems. Trere is a huge different in Vista capable vs Designed for Vista. Capable just simply means your pc can possibly run Vista bases on its hardware but it hasnt been tested to do so. Designed to run Vista means that this susyem has been designed with teh OS requirement in mind and has been tested throughly. Most ppl just think when a new os is release they need to buy it just to have teh next new thing. That can be very expensive and it is simply stupid. So everytime your car company makes a inor change on the year model car do you buy it each time?

I too have had lil problems with Vista and if you take the time an read and do some tweaking it can be in fact as fast as XP. But teh majority of Windows users don't have that expertise so thus my comment you need two versions. One for smart and one for dumb.

When you PC has a sticker that says Designed for Windows XP that should tell you don't install Vista. Just like cigareets say right on the box they are bad for your health and can cause cancer, ppl still buy them thinking it wont happen to me. Just like PC users. They feel it won't happen to them. They don't do research and simply by because they ahve the money. If you all have so much money to burn, why not give me some bec you're throwing it all away anyway.

That's what makes Macs so great. It is a no brainer computer. Because ppl who are smart can't use them, because they are smart enough to know a mac can't do what a pc does that is why we dont by them.



Just like one guy commented he wasglad one guy switched to mac. me too. still can't figure if u feel you have the best why post on a pc blog? bec ur not sart. bec you have doubt. The market dictates who is best. Apple had a good idea but plagued leadership... Steve Jobs said Microsoft has no taste. Well Steve you're just an angry person who in fact is tormented everyday by teh fact a man who worked for you found a way to legal use an idea you didn't create and do with it what you had plan to do and was to stupid to figure out how. And that didn't change after you left or came back. You will die a rich man Steve...but you will be forgotten very quickly. The world know how to follow a champion and Windows is the Michael Jordan of computing..and you're just the basketball in his hands.

[TechieXP]

If you expected Vista to run on 512MB of ram then you were asking for a problem.



Vista says right on the box, 512MB is a minimum with a 1Ghz CPU. Microsoft did put recommended specs double that. And it depends on what version. My eperience teh Basic runs on these specs just as MS said:
|Home Basic|Home Premium / Business / Ultimate|
||
|* 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
* 512 MB of system memory
* 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
* Support for DirectX 9 graphics and 32 MB of graphics memory
* DVD-ROM drive
* Audio Output
* Internet access (fees may apply)|


The other version require more thats why they are called Premium and Ultimate...bec they have advanced features. Advance features require advance hardware...thus:
* 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
* 1 GB of system memory
* 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
* Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
WDDM Driver
128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
32 bits per pixel
* DVD-ROM drive
* Audio Output
* Internet access (fees may apply)
and yes it will be slow but it will run. I do think MS didn't report very good specs on the packaging. Bec the fact of experience shoes mw you need 2GB of ran an at least a 1.4Ghz CPU or better. If your car requires 93 octane...why would you try to put in 87? That is what most ppl are doing with there pc's.

My system which i built is just a quadcore 2.4 w/4GB...and a 512MB card. I paid $750 to upgrade from a dual PIII 900. I already new that wouldbe fast enough so I prepare myself before i upgraded. Most don't and they deserve to be using a Mac.



I dont think we are fanboys as you say. and I can tell u dont know what you're doing bec the only Vista has ever asked me about installing a piece of hardware I already install is if I plugged it nto a different location.



Linux is smooth simply bec it has nothing to offer. except cheap free limited imitation of what pc offers. OpenOffice is a joke at best. its good for ppl who have no talent and no true need for a robust office suite. Just like linux is a cheap on-ribust OS that can't do much at all. Linux can't use ost modems, most video cards and most sound card either. It can't use many wireless device and forget about plugging in a phone that isn't made by Palm another lowcost cheap os knock-off. Thats why Windows raeigns as king and users of apples and penquins reigns as losers for making a poor choice.



I don't love Windows I simply use it bec it does what i need. It isnt perfect but the good overwhelms teh bad. My wife has things wrong with her too, but you aren't going to find e trading her in afor a new model. Windows has its quirks...but if you know what ur doing they are fixible. If you're dumb you will only cry like a baby when something goes wrong.

[TechieXP]

First before I comment on teh guy under you. That is both true and untrue. First off it depends one what Mac you have. Only teh latest version which feature x86 allow a chance for hardware to be swapped if it fails. But in most cases it has to be done by Apple. Mostly because until teh past few months, if you replaced a failed videocard you couldnt download drivers for it meaning it would work. That has changed some...but not anywhere near pc level.


And in the past it is a fact that you couldnt upgrade any parts. upgrading to more ra or video card did mean buying a new mac. The Mac Air isn't upgradable at all...it doesn't even have a cdrom...but if it did...if it failed how would u be able to replace it. Fact is in PC laptops you can replace teh hardware like a failed drive or wireless card...teh only problem you have to find the identical part. With mac you can fix it at all even if you find teh part.
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[TechieXP]

First off..what he said is true depending on what mac you have especially if it was a mac b4 x86 and it depends on your level of expertise in repair a mac. You in fact cannot replace a harddrive in aolder mac unless it was the exact match and even then it is a pain. macs aret like pc's where i can go and byt what i want. can do so in mac even in the new x86 ones. And guess what I don't own a mac and i know it is a fact. bec i've fixed them.

[samspade]

vista does not need fixing that`s nothing but a bad rap, i have no problems with vista home premium or basic.

[vance333]

My response to you is this. Every person I know who has vista , and myself personally , on a Desk Top or Laptop has had catasrophic software failure. And had to tottally reinstall "Vista . And drivers are still a major pain in the A . I have two questions . 1. If Vista is so great why do you still use XP ? 2. Are you a shill for MicroSoft ?

At this time I wouldn't reinstall 'Vista " to save my whole Families Life. We should start a class action "Lemon" suit. If the big three sold auto's with the perfomance faults of "Vista" the jury wouldn't even retire to make a verdict!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[samspade]

i`m not a shill for anyone, i can only tell you my experience and iv`e got no problems with vista, i have not had any catastrophic failures at all. and as for xp i like it. i have one machine with xp sp3 mce. what`s steve jobs paying you?

[JustDoIt]

I have read most of these comments posted and I cant stop laughing. He is writting theses things for you people to react and respond exactly the way you are, "Wake-Up" Guess what? He is laughing also, especially at those of you who are directing your comments at him. What a joke this can sometimes be...but I get a kick out of it, hearing most of you crying like children. Vista is this, Vista is that, oh, my favorite...If you own a Mac, please not it off. Business is going to go on regardless of what you say or pant about. People are still going to purchase their own choices of whatever system they see fit. They are going to adapt to change, has anyone of you heard that word before? Keep your eyes open and watch the results.

[samspade]

hey, chill out. i`m havin fun.

[waldojim]

OK, next time READ THE POST before you reply then you will notice that the comparison was a LINUX box with an Athlon Xp proc, and 512 MB ram VS a VISTA box with an Intel C2Q with 4Gb of ram.



That test was unfairly BIASED in VISTAS FAVOR - and it was still slower.

as to the other comments you made: Grow up - get a life - and actually try the software for once. I am willing to bet you never even bother downloading the image - much less installing it. (I am reffering to linux here) HAD you done that - you would notice that all MAJOR brands of Wireless cards (broadcomm, Atheros, etc) are supported (wow missed that one didnt you) ALL video cards are supported (wow - I even have full 3D support on my 8800GT sli rig, and on my ATI 3200, and the 2600 pro, and.....) Also, understand that everything Windows uses now - is a RIPOFF from the Unix/Linux/BSD communities. Oh - and my Motorolla Q (yes thats a cellphone - and based on windows mobile for that matter) is supported just fine.



Now go and do some homework.

[TechieXP]

I think the biggest thing S needs to fix is Internet Explorer. Not that I support the DOJ on this call, but when they integrated IE into the OS it made it worse. In Windows 95 and 98/SE when IE was still a downloadable addon, it was slow but it wasn't ever this bad. And tab browsing which makes it nicer to have a single window, makes it worse. Opening a new tab is still trated by the OS as if you opened a new instance of IE, which such more ram and more CPU power. I have a quad core system ad when I have about 10 tabbs open in IE it is really bad. And no Firefox isn't all that better either. However because it is running inside of teh code of the OS it surely wreck less havic.

Next, fix the resouce hogging Windows Media Player. If you ahve ore than 500 files in your library eveb version 11 is ridiculoulsy slow. Its as if its playing all the songs at the same time. And Itune on a Windows PC sucks too. I would liek o try it on a Mac to compare speed. But teh Windows Media Player hasn't been fast since version 7 which is where it started to get really bad. I wish teh original MusicMatch player worked in Vista. The browser is less of an issue in XP vs Vista, most bec teh OS itslef isn't as much of a resource hog. But in Vsta, using WMP and IE at the same time even on my system with high specs is horrible.

Fix the cd burning plugin. I am tired of wasting 4GB DVD disks bec Windows will only burn 2GB.

You don't need to waste time and oney on fixing Vista GUI...it looks fine. What I saw in teh screenshots of Windows 7 is nice but I am ok with how Vista looks as is. It was bad enough you guys moved things around compare to where or how you get to them in XP.

Fix the file system. NTFS sucks compared to FAT32 as far as speed. But NTFS in XP is way faster than Vista's. And dump all those different ways to categorize files. I see teh new library is more efficient.

And we are tired of having to patch Windows in order to skin it. Since we like to skin Windows why not make a skinning to that would allow us to do so. Always having to download a hacked uxtheme.dll file is getting tired.

Thank goodness you're removing the sidebar, while ur at it why not elininate the taskbar altogether an allow all those elements to float anywhere on the desktop so I can put them where I want them.

And fix most important the resource needs. Windows XP can run natively on 256MB of ram. Vista should only double that need...not quadruple that need. In fact if you fix that IE and WMP...in fact for WMP why not make it a window based application similar to Itunes vs making it like it is now. And by now as much as Vsta costed we need better games. Solitaaire in any version is boring. Mahjog was ok...but for $400 for a sigle piece of software we can use better. And why not hav a builtin interface for teh game on the gaming zone so that it runs in the OS vs teh slow java based one that is online.

Fix the memory manager to work like the CPU task anager does. When you have multiple processors in teh task manager you get a graph showing you how busy they are indpendantly. So teh same for RAM. I have 2 2GB stick..I would like to see a graph showing me what programs are running on which bank. and Windows should be able by now to take programs like photoshop that require more cpu power and memory and automatically give it its own bank of ram and its own cpu. for example i have 4 cores. Let windows use 1 core or 2 when needed...set aside teh other cores to run other apps. Photoshop runs the same on 2 cores as it does 4 so it doesn't matter. but one program sharing all the same memoery at the same time or same cpu at same timeis not efficient



For once lets make Windows do something no other OS does. Let's stop copying and innovate.



And we don't need 2 version of Messenger..its confusing. Windows Mail vs Hotmail. Make it a simple live interface that doesn't require using IE at all.

And lastly for what we paid for Windows Vista Ultimate.

DROP THE FOLLOWING OR REPLACE THEM WITH BETTER: by now Wordpad should at least be Works...drop Paint, drop Sound Recorder...put it inside Windows Media Player...or better yet, integrate the Windows Media Encoder. don;t install remote desktop unless Windows detects multiple PC's on the same network, remove the ability to have IIS. If you need IIS buy the server version of Windows Vista aka Windows Server 2008,

[JustDoIt]

Don't you get it, genius. That's exactly the type of response I would expect from someone like yourself. I got to you didn't I...Cmon, admit it. Last, but not least. I happen to be a IT consultant whom works for a firm with more than 2,000 employees that makes the final decisions. Have yourself a softdrink and cool down buddy.

[waldojim]

If you want to spout horse crap - then find someplace else to do it. If you have something worth saying that was desinged to contribute then do it. So ready to contribute?

[rwexelblat]

Mario does indeed have an important point. The level of complexity and the likelihood after "doing something wrong" of appearing to have broken the computer has many people not only scared of change but scared to do anything more than the minimum they've been rote-trained to do.

As I (and many others) have said since the 1960's "The computer always does exactly what I tell it to do but sometimes I have a hell of a time figuring out what it was I told it to do."

I hope 7 works well networked with XP because I try not ever to change anything on my wife's computer.

[mw1311]

I was always a Windows guy, my whole life. April I bought an iMac because I got bitten by the "bug". Windows always required me to restart, buy expensive windows upgrades & Anti Virus, Anti Spam and Anti Spyware Programs. Since I have bought the iMac I haven't used my windows pc once...it's just collecting dust. My wife also likes the Mac so much that she bought a macbook pro after being frustrated with windows laptops. The simplity, stability, ease of maintenance and low operating cost of a Mac can't be beat by windows - ever. I did buy a copy of Vista Premium to run on my Mac for when i feel the urge to play a game. Vista runs much better on my Mac then on my more powerful pc. Btw; my Mac is running 24/7 since i bought it and I only had to restart it once since then (it crashed), some software updates also require a restart but that takes much less time then it did on my PC. When Apple comes out with a new OS, I'll pay $9.99 to upgrade instead of $99 to upgrade any windows version.
I'm done with PC's and can't wait to get a MacBook Pro to add to the iMac :)

[TheBigOldDog]

As I said in another thread, this is Microsoft doubling down on a bad bet. They are convinced they were right and we were wrong and so they are going to shove it back down our throats with some minor tweaks. All that means is XP and 2000 will be around for much longer than anbybody expected.

You know what I want:

1) I want to be able to hook up several computers in a peer-to-peer network and share files without it taking several hours and working inconsistently - there is absolutely NO NEED for that

2) I want to stop wondering if the system is hung - that is, the OS should never become busy doing a task without telliing the user something is going on and to wait. That happens way to frequently.

3) I want it to be fast

4) I want it to stick to the UI paradigms people have spent decades mastering. Tweak it, improve it sure but don't abandon it an expect people to start over.

[JustDoIt]

Good for you! I'm glad to hear that you are happy with you're Mac. I hope allcontinues to go well for you.

You made a choice and went for it, know that's what I call "Just Do It " OOOOORRRAAAHHH...Remember, follow your heart, it'll never let you down!!!