[piyushsingh]

:D .The spherical shape of earth . lol . I m there when you guys sleep and vice versa.

[coastie65]

Yeah, you're 10 1/2 hrs ahead of us. Our paths cross only briefly.

[rgreen4]

I just got on, saw the notification of this in my e-mail and read his post and fell into the same trap. I thought oh good, he can get the E6750 which is a very sweet processor. Too bad they are no longer produced. The current series of E7200, E7300 and E7400 are all 1066 Mhz and should work.

Bmccune12 - you might want to e-mail back and verify that the E7400 Wolfdale 1066Mhz FSB Core2Duo Processor will work. It is a 2.8GHz processor and runs $140 from Newegg and is faster than the E6750 Piyush and I have in our machines. The E7300 is similar except it is a 2.66Ghz processor for $120. The E7200 has no advantage for you, for it is a 2.5Ghz processor and is also $120.

Mark up several brownie points for Gateway in coming back to our friend with a reasonable answer.

Bmccune12 - you may want to go ahead and upgrade the PSU and video now while you wait for the answer. They are very simple upgrades, simply unplugging the PSU, plugging in the new one and inserting the graphics card. If we haven't already pointed this out, I would do the PSU first, then after it boots up ok and you know that you don't have any problems with the PSU, delete the current drivers for the current video card, turn off the machine and install the new card. On boot, it will go through the found new hardware routine and ask for the driver disc. Or you can simply hit cancel and when it settles down, insert the disc and let it install the drivers, and then a re-boot activates them.

You will have one nice machine when you are done. I can feel my eyes starting to turn green.

[coastie65]

Yep, It'll be a good one alright. I usually just disable the onboard chipset rather than uninstall it as it wiill generally reinstall on reboot anyway.

[piyushsingh]

rgreen4 said:

I just got on, saw the notification of this in my e-mail and read his post and fell into the same trap. I thought oh good, he can get the E6750 which is a very sweet processor. Too bad they are no longer produced. The current series of E7200, E7300 and E7400 are all 1066 Mhz and should work.

rgreen - You are missing one point. The wolfdale series are all 45nm chips. While above mentioned wolfdale's (E7X00) are 1066MHz fsb but still 45nm . The E8X00 series is 1333MHz and 45nm chips. The incompatibility in E7X00 series with 945G chipset arises due to 45nm and not due to fsb. All 45nm chips require G31 and afterthat chipsets. If you have a look at this page , which is for E7200, the compatible chipsets list is given in that page .It does not have 945G. Infact it doesn not even have the popular 965P chipset. All are after G31 chipsets. So i guess the wolfdales wont work in this board, and the best processor upgrade would be E6700.

[coastie65]

Best i couild find on the E6700 was this : http://www.intel.com...57E6700&fmlid=5

[bmccune12]

Ok trying very hard not to be dumb in here so here goes....
I just emailed Gateway as requested prior to reading all the entries (got excited). The read further and did a bit of research. I say this first all the jargon I am new at so if I type incorrect just call me stupid and I will accept it <g>....

Went here, Intel SIte for processor specs.



Briefly cut-n pasted below:

My Processor now,

|E4300|65 nm|2MB L2|1.80 GHz|800 MHz|

The 7400 one,

|E7400|45 nm|3MB L2|2.80 GHz|1066 MHz|



I see the 65nm for mine and the 45 nm for the other, I assume that is what you are saying and why it will/will not work. I assume as well Gateway will tell me the same if the email back.



SO if I have to have the 65 nm type then looking at that same chart the biggest I can find to fit that number and no larger than 1066 mhz is:



|E6700|65 nm|4MB L2|2.66 GHz|1066 MHz|



Do you all see the same, is this correct????



Now as far as the Vid Card and PSU I will do those first I just want to know what all I am getting first. I listed above somewhere the brand of the PSU, it is rated at 630W is that going to be ok or do I need more/less? Card we already decided on unless that changes as well.



Now let us assume all is got as above, this pc has more card readers on it than I use so that is cool, the drive maybe small compared to todays drives but I do not even have it 1/2 and have the external drive not even used yet so I feel that is ok, beside have 2 other pc's here as well. One little better than this one for wife, the other my backup little smaller all in all than this one I use for my Cad projects only.



So to the question, IF all of the above is done, already have max out on 4g ram and what I use this for is Video/Pic's/Games and the net is there anything else I could do to make it a better machine (have broadband access, all pc's are wireless ethernet already have THX speaker system). Somewhere someone mentioned that Vid card and room in the box, yes plenty of space, 2 extra slots open inside, 1 expansion slot outside.



Whew, so much for a simple upgrade he he he..... ;)



If I make it through this one and all goes well I am betting that pc I have I use for CAD work is going to get a complete do over, MOB and all, thinking NORAD! ]:)



UPDATE:

From Gateway, "Due to possible damage to the board we are not allowed to make specific recomendations for liability purposes please look at the specs for the motherboard and you will find your answer I am sure".



Understand that I guess so the list for graphics card and PSU is the same, only chnage then is going with a E6700. Sounds good then.....
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[coastie65]

Hi, Lets take first things first, Video Card / PSU. In order to run the video card you will need a bigger PSU. 630w should be fine ( I only went 500w in here). I spent some time checking into processors myself for that and the best I could do was the E6700 and boy is that pricey, although I saw some Pentium D 945's in the same neighborhood and more ( I got lucky and caught one on the cheap; $104 including the shipping). As far as you Hard Drive goes, I only have a 200 Gb in here and with all the stuff I've put on here I still have over 60% free space. With the video card, PSU, and processor, that Gateway will be a horse as you have already gone to 4 Gb ram. You will have a lot more rig than I have ( check out my signature) and this one does quite well. Most all of these upgrades are relatively simple as well. coastie

[bmccune12]

nothing can be simple......



The PSU no problem, the cpu no problem in getting. The 8800GT vid board, problem..... No one has NEW, Going to makers website, says 0 stockage and unsure if and when will have....



So any ideas? How about the 9800GT??



DUmb ? here. I see 9800GT, 9800GTX, 9800GTS, then I see made by PNY and about 12 other makers. SO the difference is???? And your new recommendation IS????



I am changing the PSU to a 700w Con.... (forgot how to spell it) brand ( better recomendations all around than the Raid brand)



Will read when I get home from work to see what all say.... ?:|

[coastie65]

Hi, Well you've got this one, and I do like EVGA as i have the 8600 GT in here. www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325 . It is a GTS, but is a good Card. It is a little newer Technology than the GT. coastie

[techie4fun]

Hi Coastie,



This caught my eye yesterday. I wouldn't mind paying the price. :D

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814161247

[coastie65]

Hey Tech, That card looks like a horse and the reviews seem to be good. I prefer Nvidia, but again that does look like a good card. Price doesn't seem too bad for that thing. coastie

[rgreen4]

Wait six months and the price will drop $100, as the next generation will be out. It seems that video cards all seem to have a six month life on top, then the next bigger faster card is out, so the previous top dog drops into second slot and the price drops. It's called layering the market.

[piyushsingh]

I got my 8600GT for the same price . :( But that was 1.5 yrs ago. :)

[coastie65]

piyushsingh said:

I got my 8600GT for the same price . :( But that was 1.5 yrs ago. :)

Yeah, they're cheaper now. I'm thing of going from the 256 Mb one to the 512 Mb one. :)

[techie4fun]

I didn't know you had the 8600 GT?



Coastie, feel free to branch this part of the discussion into it's own - I'm afraid I'm going off topic with video cards

[bmccune12]

Ya know this is becoming a very l;ong thread but learning a lot, now to continue it longer a bit..



Am really looking hard at the 9800GT card as it seems to be getting good reviews and appears to be really close to the 8800gt. Now I see at newegg they have a 9800GTX which says 1g mem, that sounds good is it?



I also found another article that states "Geforce video cards are made under the Nvidia licence by different manufacturers. The best, are said to EVGA, BFG and XFX." Would this appear to be a correct statement???



Now back to what I cannot find, I know there are different spec readings that I take for granted. BUt I still do not understand what GT, GTX, GTS and the other letters are for. I found that if a card was 9800GTXOC or XXX means overclocked by factory, that helped to understand. Newegg I believe has a 9800GTXOC forget brand though. At work on junk work pc, hard to flip back and forth on this junk thing. Coastie you seem to be the one replying mostly, forget price within reason does the 9800GTX or whatever sound good, will it work in my pc as we have talked or is there something really better maybe GTX275????

[coastie65]

Hey Techie, the thread has been answered and marked as such, although he will ome back with an occasional question. coastie

[techie4fun]

bmccune12 said:

Ya know this is becoming a very l;ong thread but learning a lot, now to continue it longer a bit..





Am really looking hard at the 9800GT card as it seems to be getting good reviews and appears to be really close to the 8800gt. Now I see at newegg they have a 9800GTX which says 1g mem, that sounds good is it?







I also found another article that states "Geforce video cards are made under the Nvidia licence by different manufacturers. The best, are said to EVGA, BFG and XFX." Would this appear to be a correct statement???







Now back to what I cannot find, I know there are different spec readings that I take for granted. BUt I still do not understand what GT, GTX, GTS and the other letters are for. I found that if a card was 9800GTXOC or XXX means overclocked by factory, that helped to understand. Newegg I believe has a 9800GTXOC forget brand though. At work on junk work pc, hard to flip back and forth on this junk thing. Coastie you seem to be the one replying mostly, forget price within reason does the 9800GTX or whatever sound good, will it work in my pc as we have talked or is there something really better maybe GTX275????

I'm going to learn not to give an incorrect statement, but am stubborn and will say what I think:

From my understanding, "GT, GTX, and GTS" simply define the range of cards, or version, or like: the "GTX" series has all cards with core clocks of 500 mhz, cooling fans and external exhaust pipes. If you take it into a perspective like a "series" of versions, that's all they are defined as.

[coastie65]

bmccune12 said:

Ya know this is becoming a very l;ong thread but learning a lot, now to continue it longer a bit..





Am really looking hard at the 9800GT card as it seems to be getting good reviews and appears to be really close to the 8800gt. Now I see at newegg they have a 9800GTX which says 1g mem, that sounds good is it?






I also found another article that states "Geforce video cards are made under the Nvidia licence by different manufacturers. The best, are said to EVGA, BFG and XFX." Would this appear to be a correct statement???






Now back to what I cannot find, I know there are different spec readings that I take for granted. BUt I still do not understand what GT, GTX, GTS and the other letters are for. I found that if a card was 9800GTXOC or XXX means overclocked by factory, that helped to understand. Newegg I believe has a 9800GTXOC forget brand though. At work on junk work pc, hard to flip back and forth on this junk thing. Coastie you seem to be the one replying mostly, forget price within reason does the 9800GTX or whatever sound good, will it work in my pc as we have talked or is there something really better maybe GTX275????

Hi, I am going to start at the bottom. The OCed stuff will generally give you better frame rates, but also may have a colling problem. It may not be as prevalent with the factory OCed stuff, but I don't really know. As for the newr stuff such as the GTX275 280 and such, I don't think, with your MOB, you will get any benefit from using one of those things, except for maybe a lighter pocketbook. The GT, GTS, and GTX stuff, are primarily mods done to the card that affect the over all performance. I generally stay away from the GS stuff, although some have been good ( PNY 7600 GS ). What you need to be concerned with is the bit transfer rate ( 128 bps) and shader ( 2.0 or better) as well as some other specs that don't come to mind at the moment. I didn't do my homework once and purchased the wrong card for what I was doing. The 9600 GT should serve you well. As your mobo is x16 and not 2.0 x16, the card will only operate at the x16 level, but will give you performance none the less. The three brands you listed are good although i have never used BFG and am currently using an EVGA 8600 GT. coastie