Palm Pre: Why I'm on the Fence
#21
Posted 11 January 2009 - 10:12 AM
I abandoned the Palm OS after my i500's web browsing proxy server was axed by Sprint as obsolete. I changed to the Sprint Touch Diamond which has all the functions oft the Pre and is .25 inches less wide. In additon, it is available now instead of needing to wait until July 2007 (or later) for the Pre. The Pre has 320x480 on a 3.1" screen which is much less than the Touch Diamond's 480x640 on a 2.8" screen. The free Nav software on the Diamond is better than my $800 Garmin Nuvi 660. You will definitely need to buy the special software program to port your contacts etc. to the Windows Mobile system since it is impossible to do a good job manually due to the numerous incompatibilities in the data fields. "Pocketcopy" was $24.95 from Handango. You will be very pleased to upgrade your 2003 i500 phone.
#22
Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:22 PM
Just remember Palm has a lot of applications / programs you can buy for your phone, the more you use these programs the more room you need to store the info. This is why you need the memory card, if not your phone will be filled fast and get real slow. If you are a person that will really use the phone to its full potential you will need the extra room to store the info without slowing down phone performance. Don't need to be a techie just a user that need performance.
#23
Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:48 PM
Bravo to Will Knapp for saying so eloquently what I have been trying to express. Now I can add my insight to his through a metaphor: What if early automobile developers/manufacturers restricted their individual models to only certain brands of gasoline? The response by the public to this ploy would be to buy models compatible with various fuel distributors. It's not an exact/equal comparison but there are similarities. Don't you think? In fact, I envision carrier agreements for much shorter terms than one & two year contracts. Now -- is there another reader who can carry forth my and embelllish my streaming thought process? Ciao, Maxx
#25
Posted 11 January 2009 - 10:50 PM
At first, I felt that the expansion card was a minor issue; the more I think about it, it does come across as being restrictive. I like being able to take out the card, throw it in the reader, and take information on and off of it. After watching a video on it today, it does look very promising; most of what I have been looking for is in that device. The question then becomes though, how would one use this with Verizon and their Open Development Initiative? Normally, Verizon claims you'de have to send the phone to them for 3 to 6 weeks so they can test it and put their software on it; however, with a Palm, and correct me if I'm wrong, the software doesn't change as long as the devices are both CDMA or GSM...that is where I'm stuck. I don't feel the move to Sprint would be justified, as I'd have to spend more money (Or get subpar service) in order to use the phone. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.
#26
Posted 11 January 2009 - 10:58 PM
I don't know if you still have your centro, but there is a program out there I think you'd like. It's called MobileWrite and it's available at most sites that sell palm software. It gives you back the ability to write on the screen using graffiti 1 or 2 or just printing the letters. Personally I find I'm faster with the keyboard but I've seen some people fly with graffiti, if you're one of them I think you'll be pleased.
Take care,
Marc
Take care,
Marc
#27
Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:29 AM
If you're gonna crack that she can't write then you need to pony up your evidence. In "Tribes" Seth Godin says of someone giving criticism without explanation / facts:
bq. He's used his power to injure you without giving you any infomation to help you do better next time. Worse, he hasn't given those listening any data with which to make a thoughtful decision on their own. Not only that, but by refusing to reveal the basis for his criticism, he's being a coward, because there's no way to challenge his position.
bq. He's used his power to injure you without giving you any infomation to help you do better next time. Worse, he hasn't given those listening any data with which to make a thoughtful decision on their own. Not only that, but by refusing to reveal the basis for his criticism, he's being a coward, because there's no way to challenge his position.
#29
Posted 12 January 2009 - 05:34 PM
I think that this new Palm looks amazing and is near perfect. On the hardware side, the only problem is the lack of an SD card slot. Now with SDHC cards becoming extremely cheap (8GB >$25, http://www.amazon.co...00P9ZBFA/ref=pdbbssr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231807482&sr=8-1), and the new SDXC cards, I don't know why anyone would want this otherwise perfect device to be limited by memory. Expandable memory is one of the most important features in "future-proofing" a device in this world where electronics get outdated so quickly.
As for the WebOS part, it looks amazingly sleek. I just wish it had support for real programming languages for real apps and not this webapp widget junk. Sure it may be good for basic apps but why waste this beautiful processor with all this basic stuff? Palm OS as it is now even now rivals Android and iPhone in programming support with apps written in Native code so this is definitely a major downside. I don't know much about programming but I do know enough that we NEED support for C/C to get any amazing apps/games. Python libraries would be nice since you can do some fairly decent stuff with it and is an excellent alternate to javascript! Palm should also SERIOUSLY CONSIDER incorporating SDL libraries into their SDK to open up their platform to games!
Also, I'm not sure on this one and as much as I like the idea of the app market, are you still allowed to install apps separately like you used to by placing .prc files somewhere in your memory? If they block this by default to make it easier to use THEY SHOULD AT LEAST give some sort of code to developers (where anyone can be considered a developer) to have this feature for testing/personal use without having to order a special developer model like you have to with Android phones.
As for the WebOS part, it looks amazingly sleek. I just wish it had support for real programming languages for real apps and not this webapp widget junk. Sure it may be good for basic apps but why waste this beautiful processor with all this basic stuff? Palm OS as it is now even now rivals Android and iPhone in programming support with apps written in Native code so this is definitely a major downside. I don't know much about programming but I do know enough that we NEED support for C/C to get any amazing apps/games. Python libraries would be nice since you can do some fairly decent stuff with it and is an excellent alternate to javascript! Palm should also SERIOUSLY CONSIDER incorporating SDL libraries into their SDK to open up their platform to games!
Also, I'm not sure on this one and as much as I like the idea of the app market, are you still allowed to install apps separately like you used to by placing .prc files somewhere in your memory? If they block this by default to make it easier to use THEY SHOULD AT LEAST give some sort of code to developers (where anyone can be considered a developer) to have this feature for testing/personal use without having to order a special developer model like you have to with Android phones.
#30
Posted 16 January 2009 - 09:19 AM
This is a very good review on Palm Pre. Another comeback for Palm. I saw another review and a couple of videos at the below link. Check out if anyone wants to know more:-
http://www.kanbal.co...hone-rival.html
http://www.kanbal.co...hone-rival.html
#31
Posted 25 January 2009 - 05:48 PM
Really? C'mon, Really?
I very upset that you were even allowed to suggest that the Palm Pre will NOT support Micro SD.
This blog is a perfect example of sensational journalism and going half cocked at a story.
Would it be too much to ask the Senior Editor of PC World to step off her pedestal, get on her hands & knees, dig around, and actually do some fact checking before she goes spewing some bs like this here blog?
I'M GOING HALF-COCKED HERE: So let me attempt to make this convenient for you, Melissa Perenson, like fast-food which I'm sure you eat a lot of, and provide you the link to Palm's website SHOWING that the Palm Pre's Memory has USB mass storage support as well 8GB of user storage space.
http://www.palm.com/...index.html#tab2
Thank you for reading my DRIVE BY OF KNOWLEDGE on Melissa Perenson, PC World.
-googlethis1
I very upset that you were even allowed to suggest that the Palm Pre will NOT support Micro SD.
This blog is a perfect example of sensational journalism and going half cocked at a story.
Would it be too much to ask the Senior Editor of PC World to step off her pedestal, get on her hands & knees, dig around, and actually do some fact checking before she goes spewing some bs like this here blog?
I'M GOING HALF-COCKED HERE: So let me attempt to make this convenient for you, Melissa Perenson, like fast-food which I'm sure you eat a lot of, and provide you the link to Palm's website SHOWING that the Palm Pre's Memory has USB mass storage support as well 8GB of user storage space.
http://www.palm.com/...index.html#tab2
Thank you for reading my DRIVE BY OF KNOWLEDGE on Melissa Perenson, PC World.
-googlethis1
#32
Posted 26 January 2009 - 01:05 AM
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You're right to be shocked, SHOCKED that Palm wouldn't include a microSD. But that is the case.
What you read is true, but "USB mass storage" means that when you plug the phone into a computer with a USB cable it will be mounted like a thumb drive. Yes it has 8GB of storage, but that is internal fixed storage. It is not expandable with an SD card. The online press release you site doesn't stress what the phone is lacking. The absense of a sd slot was widely reported in CES coverage, not just by Ms. Perenson.
Palm assumes that the purpose of an SD card is to pull it out of the phone and plug it into a PC to facilitate transfer of files. They completely ignore the true advantage of the SD which is to give the user the opportunity to expand memory as much as the technology and the user's pocket can allow.
Palm is dropping the advantage to Apple by not exploiting their weekness in not providing expandability (also remember that SD slots can be used for devices not just memory, although there isn't much of that going on these days).
Apple, removed would keep a feature like expandability out of Iphone in order to more tightly control the market. Palm, however, i do not believe to be Douche Bags. They could prove themselves to be Dumb Asses if they don't admit that Pre is going to be measured against the Iphone no matter how they try to position it. By not besting Iphone in every possible feature set they give up the fight before it has begun.
In your arrogance you were very dismissive of the author. But it was YOU who went off half-cocked without all the facts. I believe you owe her an apology.
best,
Will Knapp
Edited by MPHEnterprises - No Personal Attacks
You're right to be shocked, SHOCKED that Palm wouldn't include a microSD. But that is the case.
What you read is true, but "USB mass storage" means that when you plug the phone into a computer with a USB cable it will be mounted like a thumb drive. Yes it has 8GB of storage, but that is internal fixed storage. It is not expandable with an SD card. The online press release you site doesn't stress what the phone is lacking. The absense of a sd slot was widely reported in CES coverage, not just by Ms. Perenson.
Palm assumes that the purpose of an SD card is to pull it out of the phone and plug it into a PC to facilitate transfer of files. They completely ignore the true advantage of the SD which is to give the user the opportunity to expand memory as much as the technology and the user's pocket can allow.
Palm is dropping the advantage to Apple by not exploiting their weekness in not providing expandability (also remember that SD slots can be used for devices not just memory, although there isn't much of that going on these days).
Apple, removed would keep a feature like expandability out of Iphone in order to more tightly control the market. Palm, however, i do not believe to be Douche Bags. They could prove themselves to be Dumb Asses if they don't admit that Pre is going to be measured against the Iphone no matter how they try to position it. By not besting Iphone in every possible feature set they give up the fight before it has begun.
In your arrogance you were very dismissive of the author. But it was YOU who went off half-cocked without all the facts. I believe you owe her an apology.
best,
Will Knapp
Edited by MPHEnterprises - No Personal Attacks
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