[MarioJP]

SkateNY said:

Wrong. Very wrong.





There have been so many overnight millionaires writing games for the iPhone/iPod touch, that it's almost impossible to miss all the articles about them.







One of the most recent articles is about a nine year old boy who made a fortune writing for Apple's app store. And, after that, there's a guy who's an engineer for Cisco who wrote a game for the iPhone/iPod, and is now pulling in over $30,000/day.

if thats your ideal of gaming in mobile devices more power to you just isn't everbody's tastes. And yes i heard about the nine year old boy writing apps. I am not surprised since this generation kids are growing up with computers. Quite frankly i am impressed what they can do with computers. Some doing programming i wouldn't be surprised to see kids tweaking their computers too much better than any adult can imagine lol. This is the wave of the future nothing wrong with that and more power to them.

[SkateNY]

@coolfactor: Nice post.

[SkateNY]

"Microsoft has more happy customers, then the amount of customers Apple has period."



Besides admitting your obvious bias, this statement means absolutely nothing.

[SkateNY]

What's funny is all the overnight millionaires writing games and other applications for the iPhone/iPod Touch.



One is a nine-year-old boy. Another is an engineer for Cisco who's bringing in over $30,000 each day. He wrote it in his spare time.

[SkateNY]

That post was just plain stupid. You can do better than that. Shame on you.

[MarioJP]

i think pc world should be called mac world it is not what it seems.

[WinTard]

Evildave said:

> I somehow sensed you would bite onto this one too... And spin it up. LOL! Don't worry, I learn fast. I take pleasure in detecting patterns...
> Since your are Evildave, I wouldn't put it past you do be idaspud's alter ego, in light of the similar prose, style, avatar and timing...
No, lady, I don't do sock puppets.

If you like that sort of accusation, I might claim that it is equally easy for YOU to make a 'sock puppet' just to throw out some straw-man arguments that you have ready-made attacks for.

But here, I have a better idea. We'll have a moderator look up the IP address and tell us.

Hey for the record, I didn't make any accusations, but please go ahead and let's compare IP's... And registration email & confirmation, just out of curiosity since you mention it. And I'd like public report too. Please go ahead, ask a moderator.

How come you always spin it up, just to show partial truth? You again conveniently omitted the spirit of my posted message.

If you are going to quote someone, you might as well as provide the entire logical context.

Quote

WinTard wrote:
I somehow sensed you would bite onto this one too... And spin it up. LOL! Don't worry, I learn fast. I take pleasure in detecting patterns... Since your are Evildave, I wouldn't put it past you do be idaspud's alter ego, in light of the similar prose, style, avatar and timing... You got to admit it, coincidental eh? Hey, I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying it is a possibility... Thank you Evildave for the crowning title you bestow upon me, KING of FUD and for labeling me a villain. However I'll leave that opinion to the members of PCWorld, to discern who is spewing useless and mean-spirited FUD, and who is attempting to redress a wrong, when BS is being spewed out indiscriminately by iAMZzzz... And while I respect your opinion and perspective, I couldn't care less what you think of mine.

Note I never took it wrong or personally when you implied I was a 'paid for Microsoft shill', or a 'villain', or the 'King of FUD' either... And I certainly didn't run to a moderator either... Don't worry, I've got a thick skin. And can certainly fend for myself. Easy.

I simply returned some of the medicine you are so willingly dishing out onto others. I just posted what was randomly passing through my mind at the time. Honesty is evil you think?

Fair is fair?

But just so you know, I have a distinct higher respect for your posts, than single one from idaspud... Because they are informative, and I can learn something, understand someone else's perspective, which I had not considered until then.

My suggestion is detente, no silly bickering over pointless topics, and let's all try to contribute something positive to the community for a change, instead of dissing, criticizing, or arguing whatever is negative. Let's look for what's right, not what's wrong...

For instance, it is anyone's prerogative to dislike, even hate this or that. But out of consideration and courtesy for others, perhaps, refrain from statements like Windoze, or Micro$uck constantly over and again.... Do you see my point? Not only does it appear juvenile. It also shows no class and distinct negative bias, thus prejudice...

Basically being civil toward each other community members while fully empowered by one's ideas. I respect critical thinking, regardless whether it corresponds or disagrees with my beliefs. However, in the case of obvious trolling, why put up with it?

Let's all behave with the common good in mind, let's all pull towards the same goal, that we are all students of computers, high-technology, let's learn, and share, in goodwill, no shills, no BS, no offenses...

Yes I'm an idealist, naive too! But so what? Being myself makes me happy and has definitely brought me a little bit of peace and harmony; we all seek in this world. And just being myself is the easiest thing to do for me.

Who has the precious time to waste on posturing, juvenile and futile arguments involving BS?

I hope this message is well received, in the spirit it is sent.

Peace.

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We should try to expand our common ground on the basis of mutual respect.
~ Hu Jintao, Chinese President

In taking revenge, a man is but even with his enemy; but in passing it over, he is superior.
~ Sir Francis Bacon

The fire you kindle for your enemy often burns yourself more than him.
{Chinese Proverb}

Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none.
~ Benjamin Franklin

When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you.
{African Proverb}

In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher.
~ Dalai Lama

If you want to make enemies, try to change something.
~ Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924)

You have enemies? Good. That means you?ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.
~ Winston Churchill

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
~ Oscar Wilde

Our enemies teach us life's most valuable lessons.
{Chinese Proverb}

Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
~ Abraham Lincoln, 1809-1865, 16th President of the United States
:)

[Evildave]

10. Shill recruitment posters! Learn how to earn money completing surveys and posting your opinion! Buy products (that we pay for) to review! (There are real ads to this effect. Now you know the purpose they serve.)
9. Posters about how you can start being a Microsoft Retail Partner, and how you can make even more money by convincing more people to 'invest' (and their friends to 'invest'...)
8. Flimsy plastic schlock for 'premium' interface devices.
7. When checking out, the cash registers take a long, long time, while you wait, then mysteriously speed up.
6. People wait in line and never get served, but continue to wait in line so as not to lose their places.
5. Service consultation is done over a telephone with someone in Pakistan.
4. All service is performed by shipping your computer to India/Pakistan/etc.
3. 'Microsoft Certified' parts will look an awful lot like what you can get from a brand-X OEM reseller.
2. If they fixed your software and it's still broke, they'll blame the hardware. If they fixed the hardware and it's still broke, they'll blame (their own) software. It's your fault that their software stopped working. Somehow. They'll find some reason. Or they'll just keep talking s#!t until you'll do anything to make them STFU.
1. The definite creepy feeling of used car salesmen behind EVERY fake smile.

[Evildave]

Microsoft is the king of FUD. If I had meant YOU, I'd have said 'Queen'.

I don't make accusations, either, just the same as you.

You simply associate with villains and defend them. You may as well claim Haliburton and Blackwater are good and honest companies with only America's best interests at heart, and an abiding love of all life on Earth.

When I'm under assault from multiple entities, all of them retelling the same lying/clueless FUD, defending the Empire or Feces, the Beast of Bellevue, the Reek from Redmond, really there's just no reason to 'be nice'. Most such people won't respond to 'nice' any more than they'll respect reason, fairness, facts or truth.

The Mac is as good as ANY PC.

OS/X is as good as ANY other OS.

Linux is as good as ANY other OS.

Windows... well it's on the shorter bus. It needs work. As
long as everyone denies it, the work will never be done. They will
polish up that turd and present it as "All better" every couple of
years, and every couple of years everyone will get ticked off at how nothing has changed, and then sheepishly continue to use it.
When Microsoft is a smaller empire with less evil goals, and SIGNIFICANT competition has given them their 'share' of the market, rather than them wrecking everything else that they can to maintain their DOMINANCE, they'll drop off my s#!t list. It doesn't have to be the smallest share or an equal share; it can even be the 'biggest' share. Just not the DOMINANT share.
Until then, there's no 'reasoning' with me on this point. You're only telling me that up is down, black is white and water is not wet.

Within the various industries that they participate in, they are only a threat, and nothing more.

They devour, not produce.

[MarioJP]

Evildave said:

10. Shill recruitment posters! Learn how to earn money completing surveys and posting your opinion! Buy products (that we pay for) to review! (There are real ads to this effect. Now you know the purpose they serve.)
9. Posters about how you can start being a Microsoft Retail Partner, and how you can make even more money by convincing more people to 'invest' (and their friends to 'invest'...)
8. Flimsy plastic schlock for 'premium' interface devices.
7. When checking out, the cash registers take a long, long time, while you wait, then mysteriously speed up.
6. People wait in line and never get served, but continue to wait in line so as not to lose their places.
5. Service consultation is done over a telephone with someone in Pakistan.
4. All service is performed by shipping your computer to India/Pakistan/etc.
3. 'Microsoft Certified' parts will look an awful lot like what you can get from a brand-X OEM reseller.
2. If they fixed your software and it's still broke, they'll blame the hardware. If they fixed the hardware and it's still broke, they'll blame (their own) software. It's your fault that their software stopped working. Somehow. They'll find some reason. Or they'll just keep talking s#!t until you'll do anything to make them STFU.
1. The definite creepy feeling of used car salesmen behind EVERY fake smile.

well that is the price you pay when you have too many hardware vendors it can be advantage or disadvantage. Reason why apple works because they control their stuff including what goes into the hardware. Me personally don't like proprietary hardware as you can't really mess with it. And what i don't understand is just because microsoft is opening a retail store its copying apple? i think its called competition. Its like saying gateway can't open their stores because dell already has one and trying to do so is copying??. I don't know if retail will work for them or not but one thing for sure is you guys are hoping that ms doesn't suceed lol. Because if it does then you think ms is up to its monopoly again. I find it kind of funny its ok for comcast to monopolize our internet connection but its not ok when a software vendor does it.???





Not that i am thrill about companies being monopolies. I don't think Microsoft is going to crash and burn and cease to exist it might shrink to the point where Microsoft finally has some real competition which will force them to finally do something about vs kicking back and we do it when we want to kind of attitude. I personally want freedom in my hardware tht i buy. I really don't care what software runs on it. and no windows is not controlling like most of you think. At least you are allowed to install windows on a mac. why cant mac osx be installed in pc's.







Reason for that is this will hurt apple and bypass not paying a overpriced mac. From a hardware standpoint its outdated including the macpros. But from the software and how everything works in harmony is where apple is aiming. Its funny how these Mac clone such as pystar is doing. Breaking the apple hardware control.







blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1685







Not that i will want to switch to OSX even if it can be installed on pc's. what i can do on windows i can simply do on a mac for "general computing" but once you get into hardware and changing stuff this is where apple stops. Especially when you added dual gpu's and Overclocking. This is one area for sure you can't do on a macpro. sides it be too expensive to risk.

[SkateNY]

Nice post, evil.

[WinTard]

MarioJP said:

i think pc world should be called mac world it is not what it seems.

It's actually the other way around! :D

Take heart, Apple fans are slowly coming to the realization that their computers, are also just PC's... It's one thing to think it's superior, just because... Another to open their minds to the possibilities, offered by non-Apple products. Like running Windows (out of necessity of course) on their Macs. Or considering 'unapproved' hardware vendors, which are unsupported in OS X. LOL!

Now imagine all the drivers provided by hardware manufacturers, designing for Windows first. Now try to put that into a Mac, and have to go to Windows to use said new Kick-4$$ hardware... Impossible? I don't think so. Apple doesn't have the bandwidth to stay on top of all the PC compatible hardware that exists out there. And until Apple's market share becomes significantly higher than 10% of PC's, OEM hardware manufacturers won't care in which PC it is plugged into. They just care about their sales. As for the reality of things, they will always first come up with specific drivers for their larger customer base. Sometimes, they don't even publish their API's or specs on latest chips, making it very difficult for Gnu/Linux to utilize their latest hardware offerings... Now imagine for Apple... Oh the OEM's will get there, in time. When they have the time...

And if not drivers, look at commercial software. Adobe, Quark, you name it. Eons ago, it might have been the domain of Apple, where things came up first. Well not today. Not anymore. Simple market economics.

Even newcomers, like Google, designs first and foremost for Windows. Case point is Chrome... Then Linux. Then Mac (mid-2009 according to Google only 4 months to go) Well, yeah, you can use the open-source Chromium port, but that is not Chrome by Google (for simple users).

Let's not even consider state-of-the-art commercial gaming... ;)

As for MacWorld, what is that? I see dinosaur written all over the wall. Perhaps that's why there are so many Mac fans, reading and participating in PCWorld?

Actually, I would like it, if Apple sold OS X unlocked, so it can boot onto any PC. Why not? They sell everything else? And don't tell me it wouldn't work on a PC because of this or that. For Pete sake, the Mac is a PC!

Hey think of it, $200 for three family PC licenses. I'd bet they would do a killing on it. For all those non-technical, and afraid of Linux, or recompiling kernels...

Until then, as alternatives to Windows, we have all the latest offerings from all the distros of Linux and FreeBSD at our disposal. Come to think even after then...

Hmmm, food for thought...

~~~~~~~~~~
Those who think out of the box, see things differently.

Never bite the hand that feeds you.
{Prime rule of good business}

[SkateNY]

Never needed third-party hardware or software on my Mac. Might sound like a cliche, but everything just works.

[WinTard]

I believe you for all standard Apple offerings. And in a way, I suppose that is the beauty of Mac.

I meant, as an example assume someone finds this peripheral device cool, let's say the latest wireless blue-tooth keyboard from Logitech Works 30 feet away from the computer. And you use your computer as a media-center...



I have no idea if this thing is supported or not in OS X, however, according to the Logitech's website, it only supports Windows.


My point is the Mac being a PC, and people opening their minds to the certainly wider selection of products available from third-party OEM's than strictly recommended by Apple, decided to plug this wireless keyboard for argument sake. And if it is, then take any other peripheral that isn't supported natively by OS X. There must be some?

Or how about the latest nVidia drivers? According to their website, there is no Mac OS X drivers provided by nVidia themselves (although they support FreeBSD). But I know that under Windows, at least a new higher performance driver is issued by nVidia every two months or more often, just to accommodate all the latest games...

So you would have to boot Windows, to use the said hardware. Of course, if that NEVER happens in the Mac world, let's skip the discussion then.

I know if I had a Mac, that I still would want to benefit from whatever I find cool, supported or not. But that's only me.

[Evildave]

Used to have one of those diNovos. Worked perfectly until it quit working. Then it was a brick. Literally days after the warranty expired.
The thing worked much better WITHOUT its windoze driver. Came out about the same time Microsoft put out a service pack that contained the 'official' bluetooth support. WITHOUT the driver, it looks like USB keyboard/mouse. WITH the driver, good luck on alternate tuesdays. Whether any of that improved, I'll never know, because it's in a landfill somewhere. The mouse it came with still works on my dad's hand-me-down.

With a different bluetooth controller, it worked OK before it became a brick. Of course, most BIOS won't recognize bluetooth keyboards.

As usual, the question of 'compatibility' can be answered with a quick web search.

www.google.com/search?q=dinovo[ikeyboard[/i]MACINTOSH] (It does work, but missing functionality.)

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I use a UNICOMP keyboard, now. Hopefully it's the last keyboard I'll need for a few years. $69 or so and shipping for the 'Customizer'. Real old-school clacky typing.
[http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/]

Something nice about using a keyboard that's heavy enough to beat someone to death with... and resume typing.

They even gave me blank keys for the 'Windoze' keys (Command keys in Linux) because I asked.

These aren't a re-make. They're the REAL heavy old keyboards, made from the same molds and presses that IBM made their 'Model M' keyboards from. Just brand spanking new and with a USB plug and a few other tweaks, like drainage to let your spilled drinks out. Made in USA. People still use 'Model M' keyboards over ten years old.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicomp]

Excellent performance, noisy as a gravel truck. They have a 'quiet' version, but who wants that?

Others have reported that UNICOMP works with a Mac, no problem. It doesn't work through some unpowered USB hubs, because it uses more power than most crummy cheap-o keyboards, or $200 diNovo keyboards, for that matter.

[MarioJP]

very valid key points wintard you pretty much clarified alot of things. For every new games that i buy for my pc i always check to see if there is the latest drivers (though you can still rely what you have now but recommended to get the latest drivers to squeeze every frames out of it). So there you have it thats the beauty of third party software/hardware its always up to date. Not to mention i want to see how a mac can handle a crossfire or sli. Or better yet can it even handel 11 inch cards LOL. or have both of them crammed in it without overheating??. Sure the mac pro looks tall but by no means is suitable for a setup like this. Not to mention the power supply that it uses. Oh boy don't want your psu in a macpro to just go the fritzs yikes!!.

[Evildave]

If I wanted OSX, I'd just buy the Mac.

That MacBook Pro 17 honestly looks pretty sweet. Milled from a solid block of aluminum. Glass display face and mouse pad with multi-finger/gesture input. Backlit keys. All reports are the keyboard is pretty good, too.

Sure, you could get some 'desktop replacement' notebook that weighs twice as much, consumes more power than Las Vegas and comes in a plastic case that cracks if you look at it cross, and a flexy/bouncy keyboard, but comes with 'better specs' for gaming. No doubt about it. Some of them even put desktop chipsets in PC notebooks. It'll probably cost less, too.

What the heck, you get what you pay for. I paid as much for my Vostro the year before last for the same RAM, hard drive space (on two drives, not one - minor performance improvement there) and a dual core CPU. They shipped it with Vista and it was JUNK. Especially the sound card, which sounded like AM radio. When I started using Linux, it all worked perfectly. SP1 came and went, no improvement. No new Vista drivers from Dell. I deleted the Windoze partition and gave the space to one of my work partitions.

Vista is still in a cakebox on a shelf.

[MarioJP]

I was referring to the macpro desktop lol

[WinTard]

Excellent input everybody! Thank you! I've learned a few new tricks today, and that makes me happy! As I am falling asleep, I shall retire till tomorrow Good nite all. I really enjoyed the tone of our conversations. It may sound funny, but the world suddenly looks different? I will confess to all, that I am intrigued by the Mac... And also apologize if I come down hard, it's simply human nature, to stand up when a (perceived) injustice is witnessed. But if we want respect, we must first show respect...

Trying to expand our common grounds, through mutual respect is a good first step. It's progress!

Cheers!

~~~~~~~~~~
You can recognize the stature of someone, by what makes them mad. :)

[Wizardling]

seilerbird1 said:

You have to feel sorry for Apple fanboys that this is how they waste their lives away proving to the entire world how jealous they are of Microsoft. You could have just bought a real PC to begin with and then you would have a life.

Wow, do Windows fanatics actually think Apple users are jealous? Jealous of what, may I ask? :-D

You once might have been able to say of not being able to run Windows software, but even that isn't true now. With Boot Camp (booted into Windows) and Crossover/WINE (side-by-side with Mac apps in OSX) I can run Windows apps at full speed, and using virtualisation I can run any Windows app at roughly 75% max speed IME.

Though unless we're talking about games (and even then only the ones not ported) there are very few Windows apps without a Mac equivalent - and that's been true for a long, long time.

So yeah - I'm left scratching my head as to what I have to be jealous of. Perhaps some far smarter PC user can fill me in? Because poor dumb Mac user that I am, I can't think of a single thing.