[Wheat]

3) Microsoft Excuse Bar
Next door will be the Dell Store, where the tech support people will refer all customer hardware problems to the Microsoft Excuse Bar, because they will claim that all of those problems are actually Microsoft software problems, and the solution is to wipe the hard drive and completely re-install Windows.

[Wheat]

Well, for eight years I've been running Mac OS X and there have never been any viruses or threats of viruses. I've gotten a lot of work done. Meanwhile you've had more than eight years where you have needed to be constantly vigilant to keep the viruses off of your Windows computer. You have spent hundreds of dollars per computer on anti-virus software that steals processor cycles from your computer and slows down its operation. You have spent countless hours reading about and studying viruses and malware threats that attack Windows, and spent many hours fretting over how to keep your Windows computer secure. If you're in IT, you have had to put in many hours of overtime to react to mass virus infection emergencies in your corporation. I think I've had a better computing experience on my Macintosh, regardless of the reasons why there are no viruses on the Mac. I sleep better at night, too.

[TechieXP]

20 years? Why so long...what about right now? In fact lets take a short trip and see who has propelled the computer market more.
Apple is a great company that is slow. We all know Steve only had his sites set on IBM...who at that point didn't even have a coputer. Apple had the sole advantage. It was a god-send when they stole the GUI from Xerox. The Mac is a very refined machine. I remember the first Macs because my grade school had them. But name something Apple did or invented that made the special? NOTHING.

Microsoft didn't invent anything either. They basically rip Macs GUI and create Windows from it. But even before that they were making headway with just DOS. MSFT got lucky for 2 reasons...but its not like he did try to help Steve. Steve is a stubborn man and even his employees have said it. He doesn't like to listen. IBM took a different rounte in who they introduce the PC too. Steve chose to market to 'artist'. The same market they use now. Music Artist, Film Artist, Publishing Artist...back then wasn't a hige group. Who did that leave? Everybody else. IBm marketed to everybody else and realized they weren't going to be able to keep up with demand. So they licensed out PC hardware to other outfits and DOS and later Windows simply went with them. But even if IBM didn't do that, IBM alone was kicking Apple's a$$ with just DOS. MSFT has never claimed to have invented any software...however they did make it better. By now everyone should know what became Word and Excel and many other softwares were made by other people. MSFT simply hired the guys to developed the software for them. Nothing new...all developers do that. However Bill had the knowledge to make those programs better. And of course teh company gets to stamp their name on it as they are producing it. But Bill has never taken teh credit for it. However Steve has certain taken credit for work he didn't do. Wozniak was the an behind the Apple II...he invented it from scratch. Steve later on went against his own founder and developed the Mac to go against the Apple II...which was dying anyway as it was only a kids toy. Apple was on teh right track, but for the wrong reasons.

Apple has backed a few technologies like USB and Firewire. But what have they done with it...NOTHING. Bluetooth has been out for what...more then 5 years? How many Apple devices do you know use it...? What iPhone? What took them so long. The only benefit teh Apple Store has done for them if to make their products more available to people. Before that Apple seems like a private company. And if MSFT would have pulled Office the few developers left making software would have stopped. Lots of developers who were making software for them stop...

If it was for MSFT, Apple would have surely gone out of business. I don't care what the reasons were it doesn't matter. The greatest thing Apple did was fire Steve. OSX was teh NeXT OS Steve developed when he made his on company. Also he created Pixar which is also a very cool copany. So he is a sart guy...his priorities were siply in the wrong place. His focus is no longer on IBM...its on Microsoft. He even said it himself at the 97 MacWorld. For Apple to be successful, they don't have to beat Microsoft. And they don't All they have to do is make some very high quality products and market them well and they will survive in their niche market. And they did a good job with the money...Macs started popping up everywhere...now its iPod, Iphone..etc. Steve has finally grown up...or so I thought. Then all of a sudden these stupid a$$ Mac vs PC commercials came out of nowhere after Apple went x86. However didn't Steve say teh PowerPC chip was teh best even over x86...and what about the chips they used before that...didn't Steve say they were better than x86...GUESS HE WAS WRONG. Now Macs are x86...and Apple is trying their damnest to make sure people don't see them as simply a PC. What else are they? They are simply PC's that run another OS...but how serious can you take it when Steve allowed it to run Windows. Windows siply makes teh Mac more compatibile with things it can't do. And that is certainly more then play games.

Oh wow another OEM PC that I can run Windows on...and geez mom look at the price tag of $2000.Welcome to our world Steve. If I was a deveoper who knew how to write viruses I wouldn't write them for Mac either. Why? To piss off 120,000,000 people? Why when I can piss off the whole world. If a bunch of people lost data on Mac teh majority would simply lose music and videos they stole anyway or actually was dumb enough to buy off iTune. AAC is a crappy loseless format. It doesn't even sound better than MP3's. And QuickTime video? They have always sucked...give me MPEG any day. The few people who do build there business on a Mac I feel sorry for them in some ways...and in others ways I a happy they found a platform that works for them. If Macs worked for everyone then everyone would have had them years ago and Windows would have never been an issue,...bec MSFT could have simply made great software for Apple and IBM...just like any other developer. Macs have what just over 20,000 programs...most predating OSX...thats all they can do in 3 decades...yet Windows has 250,000 and counting...Windows runs 150,000 pieces of hardware and counting..Windows is compatible with more platforms...and counting...Windows can be found in over 200 countries and counting...

Has Apple accomplished anything close to that? NO! Are they ever going to. NO! They only way Apple will gain a whole lot of ground is if MSFT really F$%^&s up or Apple decides to release Mac OSX to everyone...and guess what..neither is going to happen. But hope is good...Chicago Cubs fans still ahve hope too...its been 100 years and counting...And it makes me laugh when they try to blast Sox fans. Hey wait...we have 3 championship rings...

Every company has had a least 1 fail product. So far MSFT has had 2...Windows ME and Windows Vista. However as failed as you claim Vista is...23% is still 2x's higher then Apple has with Macs...and is 4 times higher than users of ME. Windows XP has dropped down to 70% usage and as more people are actually looking at Vista more ppl like it Thanks to MSFT market campaign a lot of ppl were surprised at teh bad wrap. Never to late to learn. Windows 7 as a beta is getting better reviews then Windows XP had period. What reviews are you hearing about OSX...nothing. If you don't Google them you hear nothing...if you don't Google Macs issues you won't hear about it. Here in Chicago when I have time to ponder the Apple Store..most of the people are playing with teh different versions of iPod. Sure I see people buying Macs...and you should see the smiles on the salemen faces...

At Apple's present rate...10% in 30 years...means 25% in 60 years...Bill Gates and Steve Jobs will both be dead...I don't even want to talk about Baller...he obvious doesn't have a brain. But we already know Apple can't survive without Steve. Think they will this time. And if neither copany gets a better person to run the company they will both die...but Apple will first. iPod can't last forever...sales on iProducts have already peaked...and iPhone? Better phones are already out. Toshiba has a Windows Mobile touch phone that has more features, is smaller then iPhone has a bigger screen...Palm's Pre is the first that will allow to to manipulate apps just like you do on a PC. How disappointing as much as iPhone cost...it has a camera that can't even record...iPhone is simply iTouch with a phone feature...and didn't Apple get sued for stealing the Touch name...YES THEY DID. Did hear about it uch tho did we. But let someone sue MSFT even on BS...its everywhere.

Windows is teh platfor that has pushed computing forward. Its easy to develop for and apps are release at astounding rates. Hardware as well. Intel is number becasue they make in fact teh best chips for pc's and always have and always will...look at AMD...even after all these years they can't even gain an inch on Intel. Intel let ATI slip away and even that doesn't help them. ATI to this day still makes better cards then Nividi..that is my opinion. I have seen ppl have oe problems with them in comparison. All these guys don't care about MSFT marketshare except it makes them money. If MSFT died the majority of them probably would too. Linux doesn't support them the same...and Apple doesn't either. Video cards are purchased by gamers and ppl who work with video authroing...Niether of which is done on Linux and only one is done on Macs...neither are a good replacement for Windows...

Sorry Dave you lose...i'm still waiting waiting on my Linux version of Lutus Notes...or similar...1 simple programs..with all those freebies there has to be 1...SOMEWHERE. Anyway let me help you...I Google and found IBM released a version of Lotus Notes for Linux. I just installed it. Its pretty good. I just asked our IT guys about it. He said he knew. The problem is we use to many Windows based programs and our compnay being so small can't afford the cost to jump to Linux...as you yourself said how can anyone not afford free? Because it obviously cost something...there's ur answer.

[TechieXP]

And EVILDAVE...one more short rant.
Steve and Bill are both rich.
What is Steve doing with his money? Going after MSFT.
What is Bill doing? Giving it away to developing countries. I admire that but it is selfish. Hey Bill what about us. Those guys you are helping don't have any money, they didn't make you rich...WE DID...how about giving us some...in fact I don't want your money. I have a better idea.
How about giving away Windows 7 for free.
How about MSFT announces they are going to give away 150Billions copies of Windows 7 free...
Now Dave here is a slap for you. I am betting MSFT can give away 150Bil copies of 7 and that will still be more than how many copies of all Linux distros have been downlaod for free in the 8 years or so it been out. In fact there are more people pirating Windows...then those who could have gotten Linux as a free OS.

Hey Dave...I just Google Zunes market in MP3 players...Q1 2008 Zune has 4%...not a big deal compared to Apple 71%...but they past Creative. But as crappy as Zune is...it has more marketshare than Linux.

AT&T is the first to put MSFT Surface PC in their stores...even at 2% its doing better than Linux.
Oh isn't Mac OSX built off Linux? And OSX has a 10% marketshare and growing...slow...but still faster than Linux even with 100 distros..and OSX is how old...8 years old?

[WinTard]

[quote] [~199334] 1 posts since Feb 17, 2009
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seilerbird1 said:

> You have to feel sorry for Apple fanboys that this is how they waste their lives away proving to the entire world how jealous they are of Microsoft. You could have just bought a real PC to begin with and then you would have a life.Wow, do Windows fanatics actually think Apple users are jealous? Jealous of what, may I ask? :-D

You once might have been able to say of not being able to run Windows software, but even that isn't true now. With Boot Camp (booted into Windows) and Crossover/WINE (side-by-side with Mac apps in OSX) I can run Windows apps at full speed, and using virtualisation I can run any Windows app at roughly 75% max speed IME.

Though unless we're talking about games (and even then only the ones not ported) there are very few Windows apps without a Mac equivalent - and that's been true for a long, long time.

So yeah - I'm left scratching my head as to what I have to be jealous of. Perhaps some far smarter PC user can fill me in? Because poor dumb Mac user that I am, I can't think of a single thing.

Welcome to PCWorld Wizardling and Apple user, you're in good company here, we are after all, amongst fellow PC users. Enjoy your stay, and please do not start juvenile Mac vs PC futile arguments. But please do tell us what is so wonderful about Apple, in a non-condescending way, and you will find many PCWorld community members will respond in kind.

And also please keep in mind that absolutely anything you do on the Apple, we can too. Including running the pride of Apple OS X and anything else designed for the industry standard PC architecture, which a Mac really is. A very cool looking premium priced PC.

Looking forward to converse with you later on.

[TechieXP]

Hey Wintard..

Would it be reasobale to specualte this possibility. The reason MSFt doesn't talk about C2 ratings is because, Windows NT 4.0...5.5 Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and WIndows 7 being built on enhanced versions of the original NT kernel would already meet or exceed the C2 Rating?

And I think the other point you are making, is if our government who runs our country found Windows to be more safer to use then other OS...that it should be safe for us to use too?

Also Eveildave you also made a very good point. If you take any software and place it into a controlled environment where it can be watched to make sure ppl don't untsall rogue malware plagued software then chances are you won't get an infection

This is a good reason why Windows NT based OS' are good for the home. Parents could prevent there childrn from installing programs period. Smaller children won't even be interested in email or instant messaging. And based on that Mac List I said before if people didn't install hacked/cracked/stolen software they are less likelt to introduce these types of viruses either.

WinTard you are absolutely correct...the frontdoor to any PC is the what sits in the space bewteen teh keyboard and chair. A users pc is only as safe as teh person behind it. Even before I learned what not to do...I have never experienced a virus attack on my own computer. I don't believe in subscribing to Norton. For alost 3 years I used Vista with no Anti-virus running...all I did was run scans using a thumb drive I installed AVG on. The only virus I found in 3 years was a Macro in a Excel Speadsheet. And it wasn't bad...just poorly written. Before that the only thing I ever used fro Symantec was Systemworks...and I stop using it when they put Anti-virus in it.
Its not thati've never use cracked software before...i just avoid using ones that require activationn...because those requires hacks or cracks that eecute code. Keygens are malwar/spyware and virus carriers..I find it do funny on Piratebay ppl posting messages about how they downloaded something that wiped the out. If you always use software honestly you are less likely to ever have a problem and you need to follow 3 simply rules. Know where you're going...know where you been...and remember where you got it.

Ther are billions of ppl who use Windows with very little or NO problems. There are ppl who use Macs with very little or no problems. There are people who use Linux with very little to no problems. And all are based on the level of knowledge of teh user in all respects...to use Linux you ahve to be smart because a dummy can't use Linux. And it seems only 1% of teh computing world is that smart...thats 1/3 teh aount of ppl in the country that are considered rich. Which means 97% of teh ppl are poor yet we apy all the bills in this country so rich ppl get more rich bec they dont have to spend theirs.

MSFT didn't push Windows on anyone...IBM helped push it by selling pc hardware to other outfits. Since they didnt have an OS of their won they simply chose Windows bec it was there.

Compare Apple's products that have reached close to billions of ppl..and look how many problems they are haing. iPod and Iphone crashing, breaking, dying...Imagine if Macs reached billions...same thing would happen.

Hey Wintard...I would love to see this game with all players being in diffeent shoes..put Apple on top...Linux second and Windows last and see if we actually would be saying teh same thing.

Mario (Windows) and Sonic Crash Bandicoot (Soy) are teh same game...Sonic was only faster...yet Mario is still alive and Sonic is dead and Crash soon will be....do you see a trend here? Not everyone is successful at copying another idea. In order to be successful...you have to make sure your copy is better. Windows is simply a better copy of Mac OS. And Linux is a poor ans copy of both of them.

[WinTard]

Wheat said:

Well, for eight years I've been running Mac OS X and there have never been any viruses or threats of viruses. I've gotten a lot of work done. Meanwhile you've had more than eight years where you have needed to be constantly vigilant to keep the viruses off of your Windows computer. You have spent hundreds of dollars per computer on anti-virus software that steals processor cycles from your computer and slows down its operation. You have spent countless hours reading about and studying viruses and malware threats that attack Windows, and spent many hours fretting over how to keep your Windows computer secure. If you're in IT, you have had to put in many hours of overtime to react to mass virus infection emergencies in your corporation. I think I've had a better computing experience on my Macintosh, regardless of the reasons why there are no viruses on the Mac. I sleep better at night, too.

Ignorance or denial of a problem doesn't mean it is not there. An ostrich may very well presumably hide their heads in the sand, to pretend there isn't approaching danger, but we're only humans after all...

Google is your friend!

Googling: Results 1 - 10 of about 4,600,000 for mac viruses 2008. (0.24 seconds)
First hit returns
>mac virus? | Ask Metafilter25 Apr 2007 ... The original question was whether or not Mac viruses existed. ... October 29, 2008. Strip Metadata on MS Word for Mac? October 8, 2007 ...
>http://ask.metafilte...61354/mac-virus - 39k - Cached - Similar pages

>mac virus?
>April 25, 2007 6:08 PM Subscribe
>how did my mac get a virus???
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>i have an ibook g4 and use firefox. in the past couple of days, yahoo mail has not been letting me attach word docs as attachments because yahoo's virus blocker says the files are infected with "W97M.Thus.Family".
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>this only applies to .doc files. it even happens if i just copy and paste all the text into a new .doc file. however, i can save the document as an .rtf and send it with no problem.
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>i did accidentally open a piece of spam about a week ago, but i didn't open any attachments.
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>what happened? i thought macs weren't supposed to get viruses!
>posted by thinkingwoman to computers & internet (32 comments total) 4 users marked this as a favorite

Please consider Googling: Results 1 - 10 of about 40,300 for how many apple mac users got infected. (0.24 seconds)

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Breaking: Over 20k Mac Users Unknowingly Infected By a Trojan (All ...10 posts - Last post: 22 Jan
Breaking: Over 20k Mac Users Unknowingly Infected By a Trojan (All Mac ... posted if you got the trial at anywhere other than www.apple.com. ...
http://forum.noteboo...d.php?t=345092] - 95k - Cached - Similar pagesGoogle is your friend! Why not search: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,420,000 for mac viruses. (0.24 seconds)

Be aware of the Secunia Advisories, first thing on top today Feb 17, 2009 is:
> [http://secunia.com/advisories/]
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> !http://secunia.com/gfx/logos/macosx.png!
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Issued 4 days ago. // Highly critical // From remote // 1,688 views
Apple has issued a security update for Mac OS X, which fixes multiple vulnerabilities.

And stay current with the news and reality as-it-is, not as you think-it-is.

But simply just assuming that you are inherently better or safer than others, will be what brings you down. Guaranteed!

Alas, welcome to the real PC World! Sometimes, ignorance can be bliss. Sweet dreams...

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If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
~ Isaac Asimov (Russian born American science-fiction Writer and Biochemist. 1920-1992)

[WinTard]

In Apple's retail stores vs Microsoft retail stores
* Apple's iPhone Universal Serial Bus (USB) interface won't use the industry standard Micro-USB connector. Instead of four wires, it shall use thirty-six nano-Apple-certified-Cu-wires, (32 of them unused)

It does follow the age-old pattern that Apple always makes everything incompatible for incomprehensible reasons, since the beginning. Perhaps the underlying reason is it becomes simpler to fool people with the propaganda "We invented it here, in house" and "Ours is better" BS. It also of course provides the rationale for charging premium fee to the poor gullible end-consumer, and give them an empty sense of satisfaction that the Apple product USB wire they own, was indeed "Proudly Engineered In California, yet Made Cheaply In China"... Thus stuffing Apple's coffers with untold amounts of ridiculous profits, and a zero debt balance sheet, since no money was spent in any R&D and its clientele taken to the cleaners.

Now there is a standardization push as far as mobile phone chargers are concerned but of course Apple is 'exempt' from that standard. We shouldn't and couldn't expect any better from Apple.

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[http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/17/appleabsentfromuniversalphonechargerpush.html]
Apple absent from universal phone charger push

By Zach Spear

Published: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:00 AM EST

Related AppleInsider articles:

Orange France promo to cut iPhone 3G price to...
Apple unveils 24-inch LED Cinema Display
Latest iPhone deals nearly quadruple Apple's...
Patent lawsuit targets Apple's Dock Connector...
Wireless power, charging technology may unplug...

Although AT&T and several other iPhone partners joined an industry initiative to standardize mobile phone chargers over the next few years, Apple has yet to follow suit and may remain committed to its proprietary dock-connector interface .

The GSMA and 17 mobile operators plan to develop a universal charging solution that would appear by January 1, 2012. Micro-USB will be the common charging interface.

The group includes AT&T, LG, Motorola, Nokia, Orange, Qualcomm, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, T-Mobile, and Vodafone. According to the GSMA, which represents the interests of GSM operators, the change would make things simpler for the consumer, who could use the same charger with all future phones and charge anywhere with any available unit.

The chargers will boast a 4-star or higher efficiency rating in order to be three times more energy-efficient than an unrated charger and consume 50% less stand-by energy. The GSMA estimates greenhouse gas reduction by 13.6 to 21.8 million metric tons as the replacement rate for existing chargers decreases.

Noticeably absent from the list of supporters is Apple. Its ubiquitous dock connector was introduced on the third-generation iPod in 2003 and has appeared on every iPod and iPhone since. By the time of the 2012 deadline, the dock connector will have been around for almost a decade.

In a possible nod to the iPhone's exemption, the GSMA targets only "majority" adoption by 2012. The BBC notes that the move may be a response to pressure from the European Commission, which has observed more than 30 different kinds of chargers in use across the European Union.

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Jo King. Well, this is a funny thread right?

[Evildave]

Gee, you ARE a fanboy of the evil empire!

Virtually 100% of motor vehicles on the road today BURN fossil fuels and dump the resulting polution directly into the air.

Therefore, by your deeply flawed 'logic', there shouldn't be alternatives to petroleum based fuels in motor vehicles.

If you had an electric car and 2000 watts of solar panels, THAT would be worse than taking a petroleum fueled car to the pumps and financing terrorism in your book, because there are so few electric cars compared to gas hogs.

Even as the oceans become essentially one big, salty soda pop and evidence of dire environmental impacts mounts.

Being 'rich' doesn't mean you are a good person, no matter how much your wife makes you give away.

PAYING for something doesn't mean you PAID for quality. Sometimes it only means you PAID for what you could have had for FREE.

People are stupid that way. We have several examples here....

Zune Players? You mean like these? www.google.com/search?q=zune[iplayers[/i]new+years]

[Evildave]

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Ignorance or denial of a problem doesn't mean it is not there. An ostrich may very well presumably hide their heads in the sand, to pretend there isn't approaching danger, but we're only humans after all...

Ignorance and denial ARE problems.

Ignorance: The assumption that antivirus works
Denial: Windows is secure!

Ignorance: The assumption that Microsoft actually addresses security in meaningful ways.
Denial: The latest patch will make my data SAFE!

[WinTard]

Evildave said:

> Ignorance or denial of a problem doesn't mean it is not there. An ostrich may very well presumably hide their heads in the sand, to pretend there isn't approaching danger, but we're only humans after all... Ignorance and denial ARE problems.

Ignorance: The assumption that antivirus works
Denial: Windows is secure!

Ignorance: The assumption that Microsoft actually addresses security in meaningful ways.
Denial: The latest patch will make my data SAFE!

Is that the best an Evildave can do to refute the fact that Macs are as vulnerable as anything else?
Now that's funny. :^0

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Security is a serious matter.

[Evildave]

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Now there is a standardization push as far as mobile phone chargers are concerned but of course Apple is 'exempt' from that standard. We shouldn't and couldn't expect any better from Apple.

Then I guess there will be a market for a $0.50 plastic adapter for it. Cellular stores will of course charge $5, but I'm sure it will be available on-line.

Sort of just like all of the software and protocols that Microsoft has 'exempted' themselves from over the years.

Why use POP/SMTP when we can invent our OWN competing standard and SELL servers?

Why stick to other internet standards when we can use our MARKET POSITION to warp them to our liking?

Why use the OpenDocument format when we can SUBVERT whole governments, and try to make a proprietary, competing 'OpenXML' document to lock our users in, instead?

Why even use the SAME Office document formats for two versions of their own software in a row? Having people send out NEW format documents that none of our other users can open will PROMOTE UPGRADES!

It just goes on and on with them.


The difference is, Apple makes non-standard interfaces for THEIR things, and it isn't expected that the whole world will license that standard from Apple to make everything work.

Microsoft LOVES trying to force everyone to operate according to Microsoft's rules. UPGRADE! UPGRADE! (FUD!) UPGRADE! Daddy needs a new Yacht!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_(yacht)

[WinTard]

Evildave said:

> Now there is a standardization push as far as mobile phone chargers are concerned but of course Apple is 'exempt' from that standard. We shouldn't and couldn't expect any better from Apple. Then I guess there will be a market for a $0.50 plastic adapter for it. Cellular stores will of course charge $5, but I'm sure it will be available on-line.

Sort of just like all of the software and protocols that Microsoft has 'exempted' themselves from over the years.

Why use POP/SMTP when we can invent our OWN competing standard and SELL servers?

Why stick to other internet standards when we can use our MARKET POSITION to warp them to our liking?

Why use the OpenDocument format when we can SUBVERT whole governments, and try to make a proprietary, competing 'OpenXML' document to lock our users in, instead?

Why even use the SAME Office document formats for two versions of their own software in a row? Having people send out NEW format documents that none of our other users can open will PROMOTE UPGRADES!

It just goes on and on with them.

The difference is, Apple makes non-standard interfaces for THEIR things, and it isn't expected that the whole world will license that standard from Apple to make everything work.

Microsoft LOVES trying to force everyone to operate according to Microsoft's rules. UPGRADE! UPGRADE! (FUD!) UPGRADE! Daddy needs a new Yacht!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_(yacht)

Another red-herring Evildave? Keep on. It is very telling...

[Evildave]

> Is that the best an Evildave can do to refute the fact that Macs are as vulnerable as anything else? Now that's funny.

Yes, but you ignore citations and links to evidence, and come up with bent statistics based on googlisms for your so-called 'evidence'.

I mean, sure, googlisms are fun, but they don't tell you anything. When you make ANY search containing the word VIRUS or WORM, virtually 100% of the hits are for Microsoft, even if you add the word 'Mac' or 'OS/X'. This is because OS/X are 'two words' to Google (OS and X), and many web pages ALSO contain links to ads and other stories, including ones about 'Mac'.

So all of your so-called 'evidence' (AKA PROPAGANDA) is crap. You'll have to dredge up better from your Microsoft Shill 2009 Database.

It's simply unimaginable to me that someone would spend every waking hour DEFENDING Micro$uck for DAYS in a row without being PAID to do it.

You may as well tell us how GOOD Chevron is! How Righteous Blackwater is. How pure Halliburton is. I'm sure they have their own shill programs paid for by their respective marketing departments.

It's utterly unbelievable.

Everything you say is tainted.

[Evildave]

WinTard said:

Another red-herring Evildave? Keep on. It is very telling...

Yes, be dismissive. Show us your true colors.

You forgot a big block from your QOTD list.

[TechieXP]

sniff sniff...can you just smell teh new hardware...look at that.
A quadcore laptop for about $200 more then a ,id-ranged MacBook priced at $1599...And look even the most expensive one is $400 less then teh Mac Air...oh and it has a CDROM drive builtin too...WONDERFUL. and even 1.4" of more screen real estate...VERY NICE! that should make PLAY GAMES really cool...soory Apple.

Now lets see if we can even spec a Macbook with the same hardware and see how much Apple jacks it up. Once they get a quadcore macbook I reckon it will be.

That is a very nice hearthrobing find young man. I have stated before, for teh cost of an Apple you can still get a better spec'd PC....always has been that way..and it isn't going to change. The only way Apple will ever drop prices is if they release their OS to OEM to drivee prices down. Just like Apple fans say...MS doesn't have any competition to drop their prices...neither does Apple. Let me be politically correct...not Apple in the PC hardware market.

[WinTard]

Hey you have the rights to your opinions, and I have the right to mine. That's democracy. We don't even have to talk you know?

But what you see is what you get. I simply google for something, follow the first few links, and learn... No more, no less. You saying it's all propaganda is your right. So? Others can independently use similar, or other methods of research, and share with us their results and / or conclusions?

Isn't this the purpose of a public forums? To exchange opinions and ideas? Not to squelch free speech? Just because we disagree? I'm not squelching anybody. Nor attacking anyone either.

Enough said, let's agree to disagree, the second time I suggest that. Whereas you simply voice discontent, negative and inflammatory verbiage, I simply try to politely extinguish your flames. You express yourself, let me express myself, and let's not bump into each-other? Simple? I'm not going to argue with you anymore, that is a waste of time.

[Wizardling]

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seilerbird1 said:

> You have to feel sorry for Apple fanboys that this is how they waste their lives away proving to the entire world how jealous they are of Microsoft. You could have just bought a real PC to begin with and then you would have a life.

Wow, do Windows fanatics actually think Apple users are jealous? Jealous of what, may I ask? :-D

You once might have been able to say of not being able to run Windows software, but even that isn't true now. With Boot Camp (booted into Windows) and Crossover/WINE (side-by-side with Mac apps in OSX) I can run Windows apps at full speed, and using virtualisation I can run any Windows app at roughly 75% max speed IME.

Though unless we're talking about games (and even then only the ones not ported) there are very few Windows apps without a Mac equivalent - and that's been true for a long, long time.

So yeah - I'm left scratching my head as to what I have to be jealous of. Perhaps some far smarter PC user can fill me in? Because poor dumb Mac user that I am, I can't think of a single thing.

Wintard - I'm not trying to start an argument. Seilerbird1 already did that :-D I'm simply searching for just one reason why I'd be jealous of Windows users. What can I say - I enjoy pulling apart the arguments of fools.

FYI - I use Windows, OSX and Linux so I think I'd have a pretty good idea of what to like or dislike about each OS. Each has it's bad points, but there's nothing in Windows I want in OSX - mostly because MS has with varying degrees of success already copied every decent feature of the Mac OS. And I'm not saying that's a bad or wrong thing, either. All software builds of the foundations of previous software, and unless US patents get absolutely bananas, it's just silly to try and reinvent the wheel every time.

[iphoenix]

::Scratches Head::

I re-read the original post, and I still can't find the part where the author says "PC's suck and Mac's Rule". In fact by most logic the "sheer glass walls" referred to in #1 would be easier to break into then "brushed metal dotted with holes". Not to mention #8 has to do with the Xbox which has nothing to do with PC vs. Mac. Can everyone get off their high horse and just admit that Microsoft has done some things that we can ALL poke fun at. Now before everyone starts with the obvious "Apple has done a lot too" sure why not, but so has Bush and yet I am not going to comment on that because it is not relevant to this post. If you want to make a blog making fun of the apple store go ahead, and if its funny I want to read it, but right now, right here, we're making fun of Microsoft. Why you ask, because its fun. Keeping this thought in mind I took the liberty of filtering through all the posts just for the funny ones. For those of you who came here to laugh a little here's what I got:

11) If a customer enters the store
carrying a product from another company, he will be informed that the
other product is not certified by Microsoft and that he shouldn't use
it. This will greatly confuse customers who just bought a new computer
at the Big Box store next door, and aggravate computer professionals,
but Microsoft store personnel will ignore any response other than "OK."

-Deadhacker

12)
The stores are going to have state of the art air filtration systems
inside to prevent anyone inside from giving you a virus. From what I
understand it will work for everyone except 12 year old boys from
China. Go Figure

- rickburian

13)
In order to avoid anti-trust issues Microsoft will provide two shopping
carts one blue labeled Internet Explorer, and one Red labeled Firefox.
However you be unable to browse certain parts of the store with the
Firefox cart.

-iphoenix
14) If the sales are slow: all employees will get out, close the shutter…wait 15 seconds, re-open the shutter and go in.- gr80919
15) Parking is modeled
on Windows file storage for external drives -- your car might be where
you left it. Or, it might not. If you do find it, there may be some
missing parts, or it might have parts from another customer's car. If
your car disappears... well, hey, you did bring a backup car... didn't
you?

16) Following the example of American Walmart superstores, larger
Windows stores will offer walk-in medical clinics. Clinics will utilize
diagnostic software based on Windows One Care virus scanner, able to
detect an illness within 2 weeks of the date of patient death. (As with
the computer virus scanning version of One Care, the clinic won't
actually be able to heal you).
- malsip
17) If there is no
activity within the Microsoft store for 20 minutes, the employees will
turn the lights off and take a nap. The only way to wake them is to
shake the door or mash the doorbell over and over. No guarantees that
the employees will wake up.

18) All customers bringing in out-of-store items will have to check
them in at the front desk. There an employee will verify that it is
compatible for use in the store, but will require you to pay them a fee
for a handstamp stating that you are allowed to do so. If you do not
have the handstamp, an employee will ask you every 3 seoconds if
"you're sure you want to use that?".
19) Whenever a store has
such poor productivity and security reports, it's service will be
upgraded. Those who are frequent to the store will notice that it looks
exactly the same, however a new section has been added to the store
with more unnecessary items.- XanderB
20) At the door, you'll be greeted by a giant PAPER CLIP asking you if you're lost!!
- {quote:title=TonyTheTiger}{quote}

[WinTard]

Wizardling, I appreciate your considerate reply, and suggest to all that we try to expand our common-base via mutual respects towards each other in the first place, like you are displaying, sir. No need for anybody from any 'side' to posture, and say things like 'jealous' or otherwise.

As you know, it appears this Apple/PC rivalry is highly explosive, yet unproductive towards all parties. Why not consider each other as colleagues, speaking a different language perhaps, yet all deserving to mingle based on mutual respect, and learn from each other? By looking for what the best, not what's the worst.

That is my wish. However, some rather noisy fanatics on either side tend to make any rational and productive discussions impossible amongst sensible people wishing to learn.

And you've handled it quite adeptly sir, well done.