[Nick247]

Why would you pay for a PC twice? And why would it only last half as long? This is comparing identically spec'd computers with the latest Apple or MS OS...

[Nick247]

There is no reason to upgrade only the OS of a PC that is 10 years old. Any even remotely recent PC can run Vista, though some cannot manage the Aero interface, which requires intensive 3-D rendering. Who would expect an old, discount computer OF ANY BREED to be capable of that.
Furthermore XP is still widely available and supported 10 years after its release...

[alexander255110]

NOW LISTEN EVERYONE (not shouting just catching attention)

a windows upgrade and maintainance may be more expensive, but think about this.

ALL mac hardware MUST be made from apple
such as the little wall charger. which cost (how much again?) where as with a pc u can easily get one with a few brands (therefore there is COMPETITION between companies. and things will be cheaper)

and how much is it to get a mouse?

now lets stop saying about the stuff thats included.
now lets look at backup

a 500gb timecapsule (back up drive) costs 299$
and a 750 gb external hard drive costs $86 in thanksgiving sale - [that was how much i bought it for]. (WOAH wasnt that like $230 less??? PLUS 50% more of the timecapsule's memory?)

think of all the other stuff thats less- u get a mac desktop and u want a 17 in- thats like $200 more than the 15 in
u can just attach another moniter or use your old moniter for ur pc

[artzy65]

ALL apple hardware must be apple brand, eh... I use PC monitors for 2 of my macs (Optiquest and Viewsonic) and Logitech & Kensington brand mice. I also use an external OWC Mercury Pro DVD Writer and a LaCie burner.

Before flaming mac users get your facts straight. Oh, btw... STEVE BALLMER IS A TOOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[topgun966]

"
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Re: Ballmer Is Right: Mac Users Do Pay Dearly for Apple Logo
ALL apple hardware must be apple brand, eh... I use PC monitors for 2
of my macs (Optiquest and Viewsonic) and Logitech & Kensington
brand mice. I also use an external OWC Mercury Pro DVD Writer and a
LaCie burne"



Pleaes tell me your not that retarded. I guess you show a typical Mac user. You have proven everyones point. BTW in case your wondering why everyone is laughing at that statement is when people say you must use apple branded that means CPU's HDD Memory etc. If mac could some how lock the DVI to only allow mac monitors they would.

[artzy65]

Most of you PC fanboys don't know what you're talking about re mac capabilities... I happen to have two G4s (Power PC architecture), one of which runs Tiger 10.4.11 and the other which runs Leopard 10.5.6, thank you very much. AND I have 3 G3s (1999) running Panther 10.3.9... AND WHAT'S MORE I could install at least Tiger on those old machines PLUS MY POWER PC 8600 (1997) by utilizing XPostFacto4. And btw, I run Adobe CS4 suite (except Ae and Pr) on both G4 machines although adobe says you need intel mac.

How do you like those APPLES? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[artzy65]

I should have written 'mac hardware' rather than 'apple hardware'... or would 'hardware for macs' be more appropriate?
To be fair, you did imply that a mac mouse is extra expensive... so I assumed that any hardware was fair game in this 'discussion' (or 'diss-cussion', apparently).

When you flame me with your reference re memory you've got me there in a 'geek sense'.

Thanks for the heads up. ; )

[jabberwolf]

Nice you have alot of processing power and ram.

While Most us now can run CS4 in 64 bit mode on Vista 64.

And now we can be more professional and actually work with really large files and do our job

And not just blog and pretend we have a job.



Also Top gun made a huge point without knowing it, He sees all the money he save by NOT buying apple products to use with his mac.

The same could be done without buying a MAC!!!

And you unknowling gave 1 of the main softwares that gives reason for leaving OSX behind. Thank you!!

[artzy65]

You missed my point... reread that post and see if you can figure it out.

[VHMP01]

Exactly jabberwolf. Plus my good old point that the more Apple fans buy MACs the more they feed the PC industry at a more expensive price (Intel processors, ATI graphics cards, Toshiba hard drives, Sony blue rays / dvd burners, etc). If all the components are PC related (except their apple logo) our beloved PC industry is obviously getting a cut, a fair bit for their products. Quite simple.
On top of it, they brag about running Vista under MAC too, meaning they pay dearly for hardware and go out and pay for MS licenses (and unless this is prove to their pirating habits, still is great propaganda for MS simply because they are using it).
So in the end ‘they are PCs too!’

[Ryansway]

It only proves that if anyone "needs" to run Vista on a mac, they can, and that says a great deal more about the capabilities of a mac, which some consumers still believe ties them in to running software they are not familiar with.

PC users are starting to buy mac's to run both OS's, so they can make the transition to the far superior more secure OSX gradually at their own curve. Once they have withdrawn from the caotic Windows environment, they can enjoy the full power of OSX and all it's cohesive and inexpensive updates.

OSX, iphones and intel mac's, whatever happens to the world economy 2009 will be remembered as the year that Apple surpassed Microsoft and Google as the critical engine of the new media economy.

Apple is the borg of everything good contemporary technology has to offer ...

... resistance is futile.

[VHMP01]

Wow, the never ending story? First, Mac-crap is not safer, proven more than once. Second, OSX can be run on any PC, like it or not apple fan boys, a clause under rotten apple?s contract tying you guys up does not mean PC cannot do it, so in your logic, PC are better because of this. Third, updates to MS are all free and frequently attended by MS, way much more attention to it than OSX?s, which is not safer, did I mention that? Fourth, Macs are made with PC parts, feeding the PC industry so we don?t have to care for you falling for the pyramid business model from Apple in which once you are hooked up, have no option but to try and hook others too, and keep spending money dearly. Fifth, it is getting boring repeating your selves over and over with no actual bases to any of your points!

"resistant is futile"... sorry but, what a buch of crap! And my point about the old 'Pyramid' business model proven, thak you again!

[topgun966]

ROFL@ Ryans comment. I love when Mac users repeatly state that there Mac is perfect and never gets a virus etc. http://www.palluxo.c...r-ddos-attacks/ which is a MAC FAN SITE reports of the latest Mac botnet that is launching DDOS attacks. But your Mac is perfect right? It can NEVER do that.



This all refers back to the Macs dont matter. If macs held the share that PC's do then the PC would be a mac and viseversa. Hackers dont for the most part care about hacking a mac. There is nothing to get out of it. Untill now. All the Mac die hards are saying its impossible. What will a hacker do when you tell them you cant do something....there going to do it. I am willing to bet that 80% of the mac users that are posting to this forum screaming how great there mac is...is running a zombie DDOS from there mac without even knowing it. At least I know my PC is secure because of the security soluations out there.

[NYSkater]

Gotta be truthful...a completely useless post with no significant information. No point, no real contribution to the debate.

[NYSkater]

Sorry Charlie, but most Mac users don't care about hackers. And it's not only because of market share.

[Ryansway]

Hey you ought to read links before posting them. There's nothing in that link about botnets. We've been using mac's for over a decade and never heard of such nonsense. It's not to say its not possible, there are plenty of idiots who'll try all kinds of silly things even if it means banging their heads against a wall for no great return. We've also been using PC's for the same amount of time, alongside mac's and only for rendering xhtml "offline" in IE. Although now we have IE8, conditional style sheets are rarely needed, MS almost have got it right.

6 months ago we purchased an ASUS with XP second hand to give as a present to my son as he's started to take an interest in computers. We chose second hand because we expect it'll be subjected to a great deal of "kid handling" and we'd be surprised if it lasts a year. We could have given him one of several spare mac's but we think his educational interests are better served by becoming familiar with the Windows environment.

So in case you didn't pick that up, I'm not biased, I started my programming career writing Unix applications in business basic, then moved onto Visual Basic, starting with Win32, 95, 98, skipped 2000 and now we still have machines with XPSP2.

Anyway. When the ASUS pc arrived the first thing I did was make sure a net connection could be established. It worked fine. The only problem was, whatever I searched for in google, weird screens would pop up. So at that point, I decided it was infected.

After 20 hours over 3 days!!!! and 7 different types of anti virus software, we finally had all the viri, adware, spyware and other junk removed. The guy before us had been using it with something in the order of 178 different types of infections. We suspect he sold it because he thought the machine was faulty .. bad karma on him! There are now 2 primary anti-virus applications installed, but we fear constantly about something new getting onto the machine as my son lives with his mother and she's not up with the evil things people do to pc's. We worry about that because with one virus, a special sequence of applications was needed to get rid of it, can't recall the name now but it required a great deal of time to research and locate all the right tools for flushing it out.

To date we've never seen any type of infection on any of the mac's. We surf all kinds of websites without a fear that a site or download might harm the OS. We don't use firewalls, just the one built into the wireless router. We have spent perhaps 20 hours in total maintaining our systems over 5 years, and then its for back ups, drive upgrades, and the occasional OS update.

So that's the extent of my experience "so far" with both OS's spanning a decade.

[topgun966]

Ryan, ARE YOU THAT HARD HEADED IN THINKING THAT A MAC IS PERFECT.

And I quote FROM A MAC SITE!!

"Researchers for <font styl</font>www.palluxo.com/2009/04/28/your-apple-mac-computer-may-be-a-botnet-used-for-ddos-attacks/#
Symantec reported that malicious files embedded in pirated copies of
Apple’s iWork 09 and Adope Photoshop CS4 have been used to take control
of Macs using the p2p torrent network, according to ZDNet.

“The author of the <font styl</font>[http://www.palluxo.com/2009/04/28/your-apple-mac-computer-may-be-a-botnet-used-for-ddos-attacks/#]
downloaded the original/trial versions of each program and introduced a
copy of the malicious binary into the packages,” the researchers wrote,
ZDNet reported.

My friend, it is there. In BLACK AND WHITE. Sorry to bring your entire world down.

Message was edited by: rgreen4 - the policy on quoting articles is to quote a bit and provide a link to the original. You provided the link (twice) and quoted the entire article. All but the lead in sentence has been removed, members interested in the entire article can click on either functional link.

[rkinne01]

Wait a minute! You used multiple anti-virus programs at once? No wonder it took you " 20 hours over 3 days" to clean the drive! You never ever use multiple anti-virus software, its common knowledge that doing so can cause huge conflicts.

If the drive was as infected as you say it was then you should have backed up yor data and reformatted the drive. It would have taken you 20 to 30 minutes to do in one day, problem solved.

[VHMP01]

Right on rkinne01. Multiple AntiVirus and no backup. Plus: “We could have given him one of several spare mac's but”… and states not to be biased, then how come the ‘but’… whatever. This is the so called (proclaim himself) expert who started his “programming career writing Unix applications in business basic, then moved onto Visual Basic, starting with Win32, 95, 98, etc.” and then states “the extent of my experience "so far" with both OS's spanning a decade”… Wow, I would think that Win 98 (as the name implies), 95, 3.11 and backwards are all over a ‘spanning decade’.

[rgreen4]

Yea, I was wondering about Win32, I guess I missed that one while I and everyone else was using either Win3.1 or Win3.11 for Workgroups.