[Evildave]

They brush off the clear superiority of the user interface, especially as implemented in the multi-touch pad on the notebooks, or the very solid aluminum brick they mill them from, too. They conveniently overlook the size and weight difference and battery runtime while they're at it.

To them, the solid chassis, unique user interface elements and superior quality don't matter. Any flimsy plastic P.O.S. PC they can find a little cheaper is 'better', because all they want a notebook for sitting at a desk at home and playing games. So they're just going to plug a joystick into that $1700 PC (instead of $2500 Mac), to use it for things they could have bought a $200 gaming console to do.

People talk about how 'many' packages there are for the PC, but when you scratch malware and games off the compatbility list, and look at productivity, your options for the PC become just Micro$oft and Micro$oft's victims. All of the same major packages available for M$ are available for the Mac. The numbers for Micro$oft are a bit inflated, like the number of Windoze users... up to 33% of whom are running cracked/pirated copies of Windows (and most likely all the other M$ software as well).

What makes a real customer?

Think about what you pay for a Windoze logo. All the whiners who complain that 'OpenOffice ain't the same as M$ Office' miss the point. If the first words out of a M$ user's mouth are "It's naawwt Micro$oft Orifice!", then they are completely unaware of any choices. To them there's Windows and Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer and Outlook and the rest of the thousands of software 'choices' don't exist at all to them. Well aside from 'How can I install Microsoft Office for FREE?'. That's some awesome brand loyalty. They don't even think twice about stealing to get what they want, and legal truly free software isn't even something to be considered. Crack monkeys.

[asiafish]

TechieXP said:

One more thing...didn't you ever hear size doesn't matter. The bigger the better. I mentioned the Mac had an advantage with weight. However desktop replacement or not they are in the same class...they are BOTH laptops...aren't they? They both can be carried. I am a strong man...lawyers don't need to be strong physically...(sarcasm) just mentally. Thank God my taste aren't like your in some ways..because even if I made what you do...i'd never be happy because I'd always be broke buying crap I don't need.

They are NOT in the same class. One is a thin-and-light and the other a luggable desktop. Like looking at a Siamese when comparing breeds of dog. Both are pets, but dog lovers do not look at cats.

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I think as I have said Macs are great systems...they have some pluses...but none of those matter to me. 11lbs isn't heavy unless you plan to carry it every day as you do. It is replacing my present desktop as my own employee will be using my desktop. And teh laptop does come in handy when I do need ot take it somewhere which may be once or twice per month..if that much. You are a lawyer...you probably take yours when seeing clients..or to other law furms...so in your case you want to make an impression your way...and I have mine. Except I am not trying to make an impression.

I never said anything was wrong with the machine you chose, but it is not in the same market as the MacBook Pro.

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If I was rich no one would ever know because expensive cars don't matter to me...nor do clothes or anything else. What happens if you aren't a lawyer anymore and cash become a bit more strap? If you start simple and stay simply...you'll never be broke. But I am sure you don't have to worry..and nor do I.

Good for you. If I was poor nobody would ever know because I would rather drive a used Mercedes with 60,000 miles on it than a new Kia.

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For 2499 that Macs lacks power for its price. Its cost should be no more than $1500 because most laptops with similar hardware cost about that much. Sony is an exception...buy they to overcharge for their hardware...that is why you don't see many Vaio's accept those below $1500. When it comes to brand names 2500 won't get you what you should get. I am aware laptops cost more because of being portable and parts have to be made smaller. But with Apple you are simply paying ofr teh case...its under-powered no matter how you look at it. I rather get a heavy laptop that has todays hardware vs thin, sleek and skinnhy with yesterdays hardware that cost as much.

Most CONSUMER-grade laptops with the same processor and GPU specs cost $1500, but are twice as thick and 50% heavier. They are not in the same class. Most business thin-and-lights in the same size, peformance and weight class are about $100 less than the MacBook Pro, while some are $50 or $100 MORE than a MacBook Pro. Premium pro-grade computers cost more than bargain-model consumer-grade computers, and they are not the same despite your ignorant rants to the contrary.

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Fact is what I bought is better...no matter what you say.

What you bought is FASTER, but is definitely NOT BETTER.
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[TechieXP]

That because they want to compare stuff that really isn't a big deal. I was comparing hardware...i don't care about cosmetic surgery that Apple performs on their systems that makes them do beatiful that people just fall head over heels for them. Just like any person...beauty fades over time. I don't plan to keep a system forever...I just want to get my monies worth on the initial purchase and for the hardware.

Whether the system I chose is heavy or not...my warranty protect me agaist accidents without me pay extra...yet Apple charges extra and they don't cover accidents. Anyone can have an accident...light or heavy doesn't matter. No matter how careful you are accidents happen. I am glad to know that if one happens in my case...ITS COVERED.

As far as you comparison...it was very favorable. Macs us the exact same hardware as any other computer...PERIOD. Apple charges a premium...maybe just maybe...since companys like Dell and HP by 4 times as much hardware from the same vendors they get a better price than Apple does. Lets see...

Apple sells about 2.5 million computers in a single quarter...while Dell sells close to 15 million in a single quater. Looks like a heftier order...thus a bigger discount to their customers. Which means I get Mac like hardware without Mac like pricing. However that doesn't explain why I can go to a store and buy much of the same exact hardware and still get for less than they do...and I am only buying a single item. It simply doesn't add up. Anytime there is an article where prices are compared they always have to justify why they cost more. When you are right you never have to justify it. I am surely not trying to justify buying a Windows based PC...I am simply showing why a Windows PC could be better.

I just thought of something too. For those Mac fans who like to complain about the cheesy bloated software that comes on PC's that are installed as trials that expire if you don't buy them? Many people actually do...and that is what help drives cost down even more. The fact is..most people will need Office and having it preinstalled even if you didn't pay for it then is helpful. You may not have the money right them...but maybe 90 days later you will. After spending $1000 at one time on the initial purchase...you may be to tapped out to buy software. But later you won't be. That smart...because it is cheaper to buy it that way....vs buying it retail leter on. See Macs don't have anything to drive cost down...the devlopers don't have real competition..so prices stay up. That is probbaly why many Mac developer don't develop for Windows...bec it means they probably won't be able to charge as much. Again many people assume because you pay more..its better. And fact is that is wrong. There are cooks that can take non-brand name food items and make them taste like they bought teh most expensive of everything. Its called skill.

Apple like Sony is all about name...

Oh geez slot loading is better than tray loading? Really how so. What happens when the disk gets stuck. Well with slot load you take a pin and you hit teh manual eject button...and if teh drive no longer works..well it only cost $40 to replace. Slot load disk get stuck? You ahve to take it to a shop and spend more if you aren't under warranty..$50 at leats to replace the drive plus the hourly cost. Whatever happen to do-it-yourself?

The keys don't feel like chicklets...very cool...so what heppens if you spill something on them...well those chicklet keys are easily removable and you can clean them and put them back..good as new.

Standard PC..wnat to upgarde teh hardware...simply...your choices are as endless as how much money you are willing to spend....and you can have it your way. With Macs you ahave to be very selective and teh list is so short and yet the cost are way high. Facts are facts...no matter how much cost is extra...its still extra. Some extra cost is acceptable...if you want premium things they cost premium money. I feel Apple doesn't give you enough...PC's that cost less come with features that people actually use...extra USB...flash card readers.

@ Asiafish...just suppose...you go an see a lawyer...and they have pictures on a camera..and he forgot his data cable nd all he has if his flash drive..and he does have his USB adapter? Then what? If you had a card reader you could just pop it in and wham...that is more impressinve then having a fancy laptop that has the simple things in life. That like a Mercedes...it cost $50,000...yet when you catch a flat and have to change the tire..its still a dout. For $50K don't you think I should have a full sized spare?

Anyway You made a good comparison...and even if someone tells you different...its is their opinion. You can't argue what is in black and white.

x86 is x86...some people choose ot sell it for to high and other ssell it just right. Sony and Apple have 2 things in common...computers make up less than 1/2 of all there sales. I wonder why. And notice that companys that specialize in computer hardware sells 4x as much. Sony doesn't depend on computer sales...if they did they'd go broke..and so would Apple...

[asiafish]

Evildave said:

They brush off the clear superiority of the user interface, especially as implemented in the multi-touch pad on the notebooks, or the very solid aluminum brick they mill them from, too. They conveniently overlook the size and weight difference and battery runtime while they're at it.

Yes, they are ignorant, even of the platform they champion. My MacBook Pro gets decent battery life at 5 hours. My ThinkPad gets THIRTEEN HOURS. Of course, neither one is a 2" thick plastic monstrosity.

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To them, the solid chassis, unique user interface elements and superior quality don't matter. Any flimsy plastic P.O.S. PC they can find a little cheaper is 'better', because all they want a notebook for sitting at a desk at home and playing games. So they're just going to plug a joystick into that $1700 PC (instead of $2500 Mac), to use it for things they could have bought a $200 gaming console to do.

Games are better on a PC than a console. I play many on my MacBook Pro.

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People talk about how 'many' packages there are for the PC, but when you scratch malware and games off the compatbility list, and look at productivity, your options for the PC become just Micro$oft and Micro$oft's victims. All of the same major packages available for M$ are available for the Mac. The numbers for Micro$oft are a bit inflated, like the number of Windoze users... up to 33% of whom are running cracked/pirated copies of Windows (and most likely all the other M$ software as well).

What makes a real customer?

Sadly, stolen software isn't exclusive to the Windows user base. The "Mac Botnet" in the news recently was created by Mac users downloading Warez (read stolen) copies of iWork.

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Think about what you pay for a Windoze logo. All the whiners who complain that 'OpenOffice ain't the same as M$ Office' miss the point. If the first words out of a M$ user's mouth are "It's naawwt Micro$oft Orifice!", then they are completely unaware of any choices. To them there's Windows and Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer and Outlook and the rest of the thousands of software 'choices' don't exist at all to them. Well aside from 'How can I install Microsoft Office for FREE?'. That's some awesome brand loyalty. They don't even think twice about stealing to get what they want, and legal truly free software isn't even something to be considered. Crack monkeys.

OpenOffice may be the cat's meow, but it cannot replace MS Office for many users. The GIMP may be very powerful, but it cannot replace PhotoShop. There are a lot of free applications that are quite good, as well as minority 3rd party applications, but the fact is in the business world, you NEED MS Office if you share documents with complex formatting.

When I write fiction or other personal writing I use a word processor called Nisus Writer Pro. I like it a lot more than MS Word, but I couldn't even think of using it for business even though it imports and exports Word documents better than OpenOffice 3 does. It still breaks some formatting and some is too much. There are many options out there for browsers, email clients and spreadsheets. Some people like Quattro Pro instead of Excel, but in the business world you still need Excel.

[WinTard]

I disagree. Faster is Better! And thinnner perhaps prettier and lighter, but definitely costlier...

And if cost is no matter for some, then weight is no matter for others...

(Sorry, I couldn't resist...)

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All the carnal beauty of my wife is but skin deep.
~ Sir Thomas Overbury's, 1613

When choosing a wife, use your ears, not your eyes.
{French Proverb}

[waldojim]

you mention all this crap about plastic laptops and cheap constuction, and all this crap... But (asside from a crappy HP) I have not had that problem one bit.

My compaq Notebook 100 fell from my wall locker (while in the army) 4.5 feet onto a concrete floor... I was DEVISTATED, until I picked it up. There was a small, just TINY crack on the case, turned in on - and HOLY crap it worked! Seems like a solid build to me. My Gateway MX3414 (MSI ODM) had a similar incident - it took a nice wet ride on the motorcycle on night to finaly kill that sucker (I was enjoying the Best Buy free replacement... and I was at 23 Months... needed to die so I could get a free new toy) So please tell me where plastic is a problem?

Did it do its job? Yes. Did it provide me years of use? Yes. Would I buy it again? Yes. Did all of my laptops ship with a copy of windows that I did not have to crack? Yes. Did the Windows Interface get the job done? Yes. Did my battery last? I think so, 1.5hours gamming, 4 hours internet only... I think I did well.

Did I have a problem lugging my Gateway 5 lb Thin-n-light notebook? No. Or my HP 5.5 LB notebook? No. the OLD A$$ compaq at 6.5 lbs... well that was a touch heavy by comparison, but nothing worth whining over.

[asiafish]

WinTard said:

I disagree. Faster is Better! And thinnner perhaps prettier and lighter, but definitely costlier...

And if cost is no matter for some, then weight is no matter for others...

(Sorry, I couldn't resist...)

Faster is only one measure of performance. Lighter is another. Smaller is another, just as is bigger. The point is, you cannot say that A is better B just because A is faster.

[asiafish]

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@ Asiafish...just suppose...you go an see a lawyer...and they have pictures on a camera..and he forgot his data cable nd all he has if his flash drive..and he does have his USB adapter? Then what? If you had a card reader you could just pop it in and wham...that is more impressinve then having a fancy laptop that has the simple things in life. That like a Mercedes...it cost $50,000...yet when you catch a flat and have to change the tire..its still a dout. For $50K don't you think I should have a full sized spare?

Hmmm, lets see, every Mercedes I've ever owned (three to date) have all had full-sized spares, and I never have to change it because Mercedes provides LIFETIME roadside assistance, in any Mercedes, even someone else's.

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Anyway You made a good comparison...and even if someone tells you different...its is their opinion. You can't argue what is in black and white.

x86 is x86...some people choose ot sell it for to high and other ssell it just right. Sony and Apple have 2 things in common...computers make up less than 1/2 of all there sales. I wonder why. And notice that companys that specialize in computer hardware sells 4x as much. Sony doesn't depend on computer sales...if they did they'd go broke..and so would Apple...

Bullshit. Apple is extremely profitable because they know their market and don't try to be all things to all people. Want a cheap computer? Great, Apple isn't after your business.

[TechieXP]

Its simple...because that is where those industries got there start...on a mac....while business based software got its start on Windows based PC's. Some rather stick to what theuy know instead of learning something new. Again...they use a Mac at work...better to have one at home. So at least if you bring work home you can actually finish it. That is smart.

However...jsut because you feel Macs are better at that stuff doesn't mean it isn't true. Some have programs they prefer to use that are Mac only. As another person said...Autodesk is one of teh best 3D rendering appz on the market...and it doesn't speak Mac. Those industries could easily use a Windows PC...it simply choice. Just because they like it doesn't mean it better..it just means they are more comfortable with them. You see it as they are better.

And I never said Macs were not powerful...I said they are under-powered for the cost. If a computer is going to cost $3000 it should have top notch everything. Not some parts being top and others not. Example...that Mac Pro...I know what benefits Xeon has to a server...but it doesn't benefit an everyday person PERIOD. For those who need those features I am not talking about them. See you want to include everyone that uses Macs. I am not speaking of professionals..I am speaking of everydays users. That is who we are talking about. We are talking about those who typically buy retail. I am not talking about Asiafish who is a lawyer...i am not taking about people who are in music/video production...I am not talking about those who have a professional use of a computer. We are talking about everyday standard, email using, internet surfing users who only need simple capabilities that are affordable. For $1000 Apple offers 1 portable 1 desktop (sort of) For teh same price as a Mac mini I can buy a regular laptop that has equal powr and at least has its won keyboard/mouse/screen. And I know what mac mini is aimed at. I see you all talk aboutit all the time. So what happens on a spur of a moment when a screen isn't avail...like for example...suppose you were on a plane...and you are talking about being an artist...and they guy says show him your work. How do you do so with a Mac Mini? YOU CAN'T/ Yet for that same 599...yu could ahve pulled put a laptop and shown him everything..and he could have offered you a golden opportunity....but you missed out..because you had a 1/2 of computer in your bag.

I think what you call debunk is really isn't. Its just your way of seeing something. You aren't wrong for how you see things and I am not either. Here is an example just for you in the form of a question. Too people can be standing on a corner...and they both will see an accident happen from beginning to end. Now how come they both won't tell the story the same way?

Or how about this...if I locked you inside a car with a baseball bat how would you get out? There is no wrong or right answer to either...what answer you give just simply shows how you think. However when it comes to problem solving...there can only be one answer...but it doesn't mean there isn't more than one way to get the answer. In this case there is always a better answer. So how would you answer?

Then I will comment after you. In fact anyone is welcome to answer. but I hope you get to answer first @ Artsy65

[TechieXP]

No I had teh laptop longer then a standard store return policy. I bought it from a Dell resaller on Ebay. The return period was 14 days. The screen had issues after about 7 months...they replaced the laptop with the factory warranty. Wouldn't that qualify as a warranty replacement? Unlike Compaq who made me ship the system and I did so 3 times and they couldn't fix it. After almost a full year of headache they simply gave me my money back. That is why I stopped buy a branded desktop. And that was in 1994.

As far as laptops we are at the mercy of the MFR. I understand your opinions and I respect them. I just don't totally agree with you in certain cases. A premiun advertised brand should use premiun hardware. If I can customize hardware from another brand and it matchs specs for specs and it cost less...then you ahve to see where teh other system that cost more has a distinct advantage. For you..Bacause Macs have soft keys, made from aluminum, and backlit keys and slot loading...etc...to you that justifies pauing more. It doesn't for me. That stuff is ourely cosmetic. What matters to be is teh stuff you don't see. Perfromance per dollar of cost. If I can get a computer with equare hardware performace at a lower cost that is more beneficial to me. And If I can get equal or better performance and get all of those costmetic things with it...thats even better. And you can have your cake an eat it too. ofr you that is what you find in a Mac..for me that is what I find in a Windows based PC. Not all of them...just the ones I like. In reality we feel almost the same...we are just shedding light on what is imporatnt to use. Perfromance is important to me...I am not saying That Mac didn't have good performnce...but wanna bet I get better perfromance...and yes it is at a cost. It a bit heavier..but what you expect..it had a bigger screen...it has 2 full dedicated cards...6GB of ram...for a Mac that cost $2400 I am not saying it has to be dual core...but it certainly should have a faster CPU...maybe 3.0Ghz...it should have 6GB of ram...it should have moe USB ports...it should have 2 dedicated video cards that match.

if you take a tarin engine and put it with one that is less capable...that means it can pull so much weight...but when you use matching engines...you can even get away with pulling more then it was even made for. Thats getting your monies worth.

[WinTard]

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WinTard said:

> I disagree. Faster is Better! And thinnner perhaps prettier and lighter, but definitely costlier...
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> And if cost is no matter for some, then weight is no matter for others...
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> (Sorry, I couldn't resist...)
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Faster is only one measure of performance. Lighter is another. Smaller is another, just as is bigger. The point is, you cannot say that A is better B just because A is faster.

Then we 100% understand, and agree with each other my friend! To each their choices...

[TechieXP]

Yes all of those things are important...but they aren't everything...

Most laptops get up to 5 hours on a full charge...that includes Macs. In order to squeeze out 5 hours...you need to lower resolution, lower screen brightness...and you can be using cpu hogging applications. Or maybe you all miss that. Under those circumstances most laptops will do well. All pc's feature speedstep technology where more power is applied when needed...even in my huge quadcore laptop...most of teh time the 4 cpu's are running at 1/2 speed..only cranking up when I need them too. So I tested it...I lowered the resolution down to 1440 x 900...i turned the brightness down...and I did no cpu intsnsive stuff. I simply surfed and did some emailed and spent most of teh ime here...that battery lasted me 4 hours. Even in this behemoth as Asia calls it...I managed to squaaze out that much time....then I comparted it too using everything at normal...it lasted 1 hour and 47 minutes...that is with everything at full. How long you thing most full sized laptops last on a single charge...about the same amount of time. Even Apple says on its site UP TO 5 HOURS...that was based on everything running at 50%...oh but you all neglect to say that.

An software is only as good as the hardware you run it on. OSX requirements are 867mhz CPU...you take OSX and try to do anything requiring more power and it will be sluggish just liek any other Windows PC. I can run Vista on it minimum specs...as long as I have a dedicated card I can even use Aero...but if I pan to go beyond using Office...it simply isn't enough power. Linux is no different. They are all the same. In order to get a good experience on OSX you need go solid fast hardware just like Windows...teh only difference...because we have more options of choice as far as vendors...the cost is driven down. Apple has no real competition and what few they do have sell at similar prices...that doesn't make them better..it just makes them expensive.

All those things you said we over look..i see them they just don't matter a whol lot in some cases.
Macs interface isn't superior..it simply different. Just remember before Apple visited Xerox, MSFT had already been there. Apple didn't invent the GUI...they simply took other work an enhanced it...same thing MSFT did...So if Apple was so much better...why did MSFT take over. Because MSFT developed an OS and used hardware that was cheaper to produce which in turn drove prices down. And Windows was easy to use and offer equal and better feature tehn Mac OS and Windows took off and never looked back. And nothing has changed. Apple philosphy is...if you want our stuff you're going to pay for it. Windows says...if you liek our stuff...we will make it reasonable for everyone...and for those who have more money we have better options too. Apple like Republican only care about rich people...but just remember it si all us poor people who pay all the bills of teh rich people. Apple should give something back...like lowering prices in a recession. and dispite a 16% lose in sales they are still not lower prices...even PC makeers have dropped prices even more, Dell states they will shave off as much as 30% on many of their pc's...right now I can get a $1200 Dell for about $900...that is a deall...I even spec'd out a Studio 17 with hardware that exceed Mac and it cost $1800 and that included Office and more...faster CPu..more ram and so much more. FOR LESS. A bargan is a bargan.

[MarioJP]

I had pc's that lasted more than 5 years without giving any problems. Its clear that this debate won't end but i will say that macs do cost more only because one company does it all for you. Not saying it is better or worst just saying that when you buy a apple computer you are buying from a company that put it together for you down right to the os.



Thats the only difference i see between a mac and a pc really no point of pointing fingers at each other. Apple sure likes to start a controversy lol. and about autodesk it is a good program from what i hear.

[TechieXP]

You said it perfect...you use your MBP for business...not everyone who buys a computer is doing so for business. The majority of PC users not need a simply low cost solution at home for the family to use. For those who prefer getting a Mac for that...I am cool with that...its their money I can't tell them how to spend it. In you case if you asked me for a solid business portable pc...I would recommend a ThinkPad which you already own or a Vaio and I would also recommend to you a Mac. If an everyday user asked me...the first thing I would ask is how much they want to spend. If they want to get teh fastest thing possible for $1500 I would recommend a Windows based PC...and I would still recommend a Mac..however I would point out fairly the benfits of both. Because they both have them. The rest is simply up to them. But I am not going to convine them to get one of the other.

Now let me ask...
If speed is more important to me than looks...then that would mean I made a better buy...and thus what I bought is better. Right? because I bought the option that was batter based on what I was looking for.

As far as your rant on me comparing an Asus to a MBA. Yes tha ultra-portable and it is a niche...however it is still a portable. It doesn't matter that teh name is fancy. Granted a Mercedes isn't a Honda...but they are still cars...sure they are a different class...but they still have things in common...nevertheless. And where they have things in common you can still compare a few things that would be better in the Honda...like when you crash how it is going to be safer for you an your family...

Human are ALL the same yet people try to class them on how they look..por what they own..or how much money they have. Yet your material wealth can't protect you from dying then it can for anyone else when you're broke...having money just means your box is going to be more decorated...but why would it matter when you're dead. Isn't dead...dead? (sarcasm)

[artzy65]

I know about that mac vs pc colour thing... font handling was also superior on the mac way back when; as for nowadays I wouldn't know.

But currently for me I'm having a bitch of a time getting accurate pdf colours using Acrobat Pro 6-9 on my OS X G4 machines. That's the main reason I keep my old Power Mac 8600 up and running; I can churn out perfect PDFs from Quark 5 using Acrobat 3.01... they even look great on the G4s. But if I try to produce pdf from Quark 6-8 in OS X (including Panther, Tiger and Leopard) the colour sucks big time... so I gave up.

[TechieXP]

Just as they say "one mans garbage is another mans treasure".
Just as WinTard says...if Aluminum was best then why aren't helmets made out of it? And so many other things...I think aluminum is better for storing things like can foods that as long as they are sealed won't spoil. Or used in cars an similar...as far as a laptop...i only see style is the reason to use it.

[TechieXP]

You're 100% correct...and I agree. So if speed is more important to me which is is...then based on what matters to be what I bought was better. i didn't even say it was better overall.

A Mc Claren F1 and a Porsche Carrera GT have a lot in common...spped for one as both cars can exceed 200mph...with many thing being equal...like being hand built...and costing 6 figures...the F1 wins out because it is faster at 240 mph vs teh Porsche at 202...faster is better where everything is basically equal. With the systems I compared they had several similarities even if they are not in the exact same class. I was simply comparing what you get for similar cost. the biggest trade of was battery life and 5 extra pounds. However many other espects are very similar...so thus they can be compared...even a benz can be compared with a less costlier car...as long as what you compare is very similar.

[asiafish]

TechieXP said:

You're 100% correct...and I agree. So if speed is more important to me which is is...then based on what matters to be what I bought was better. i didn't even say it was better overall.

A Mc Claren F1 and a Porsche Carrera GT have a lot in common...spped for one as both cars can exceed 200mph...with many thing being equal...like being hand built...and costing 6 figures...the F1 wins out because it is faster at 240 mph vs teh Porsche at 202...faster is better where everything is basically equal. With the systems I compared they had several similarities even if they are not in the exact same class. I was simply comparing what you get for similar cost. the biggest trade of was battery life and 5 extra pounds. However many other espects are very similar...so thus they can be compared...even a benz can be compared with a less costlier car...as long as what you compare is very similar.

Thats your problem, you aren't comparing similar products. You are comparing that McClaren F1 to a Hummer - totally different class and not at all in competition with one another.

[VHMP01]

‘Crack monkeys’ you say… ‘Up to 33% of whom are running cracked/pirated copies of Windows (and most likely all the other M$ software as well)… Really? Let’s see, all the Mac users that go on and on about how they can run Windows under Mac fall under only two categories A) Crack monkeys, B) Are paying MS for legal licensed software.

So Evildave, you are just implying against your Mac base, admitting that even though you like Macs, still are a faithful MS costumers, or 'Crack monkeys'.

On top of it, same hardware components for an extra price tag (Intel Processors, ATI Graphics cards, Toshiba Hard Drives, Sony Blue Ray / DVD burners, etc.) inside Apple's case.

And on top of it again, now a days, OSX is Linux based (Just another distro) that should be free as any other Open Source based distros out there.

Compared to cars would be as a Mercedes maid out of Honda parts, sold by Toyota and having to pay double for gasoline.

Oh, by the way, maid in China!
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[asiafish]

VHMP01 said:

‘Crack monkeys’ you say… ‘Up to 33% of whom are running cracked/pirated copies of Windows (and most likely all the other M$ software as well)… Really? Let’s see, all the Mac users that go on and on about how they can run Windows under Mac fall under only two categories A) Crack monkeys, B) Are paying MS for legal licensed software.

So Evildave, you are just implying against your Mac base, admitting that even though you like Macs, still are a faithful MS costumers, or 'Crack monkeys'.

Not every Mac user wants or needs Windows. I have Windows on my Mac for games, and I paid for my copy of Windows just like I pay for the games that I install. I am happy to pay for Windows because it is not mine to steal, and if I don't want to pay for it, I shouldn't get to use it.

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On top of it, same hardware components for an extra price tag (Intel Processors, ATI Graphics cards, Toshiba Hard Drives, Sony Blue Ray / DVD burners, etc.) inside Apple's case.

And on top of it again, now a days, OSX is Linux based (Just another distro) that should be free as any other Open Source based distros out there.

OS X is mostly proprietary, only the kernel is Unix. It is not another distro, it is commercial software owned and licensed by Apple.

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Compared to cars would be as a Mercedes maid out of Honda parts, sold by Toyota and having to pay double for gasoline.

More like the same Brembo brakes and Continental or Michellin tires. There is plenty different, most importantly the OS and overall design and construction.

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Oh, by the way, maid in China!

Yup, those Chinese factories make very nice Macs under strict supervision of Apple's quality control using Apple's unique designs.
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