[WinTard]

I will never clarify my position to those who twist my words. However, for the record, I am a staunch supporter of the OSI (Open Source Initiative) and of the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation). And am also a UniTard, LinTard, QnxTard and even might become a MacTard in time.

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[BadBob]

Well here's one that would not. Had to use one at work. It's almost as good, but still perfer my PC.

[BadBob]

Does Everquest II run on UNIX??

[epgomez]

This commercial says it all. This is actually what was and is happening right now to majority of people. Mac yeah is good but it's unix with a nice shell so I can go to a similar architecture linux and dual boot windows and buy hardware at the right price not an overpriced mac. I can do gazillion things on this pc in mac there's a limit. for a power user it's still a pc.

[klanguedoc]

i love your posts wintard, at least someone on this forum has knowledge and sense about computers and what they can or cannot do.

[free2speak]

I think both PC and Mac have their strengths. I used Amiga in the past, a PC now, and I would like a Mac too. I work with two longtime PC users that both purchased MacBooks last year, and they love the new Mac. It is interesting that if you go with a large screen in a MacBook you pay a large price premium. But if you go with a larger PC laptop (desktop replacement) the price goes down significantly because the internal components cost less. I prefer the smaller 14.5" notebook for battery life and easy transport, but there is a price premium. My other beef with a Mac is that I don't want to use two different user interfaces.
(bignumone) Anyone that loses their files has no one to blame, but themselves because they didn't back up their files. I am sure you are speaking of the automatic Mac backup, but that program will not save your file if the hard drive dies. A simple backup to DVD solves the issue. That argument ranks right up there with Mac and Linux users that have told me they are impervious to viruses, but your not it is just the user numbers do not support a large hacker community. Apple has one great advantage that I can see is they charge $100 for an OS upgrade, but Microsoft charges $250 or more for the various flavors of Windows Vista. The price of the Mac hardware is significantly higher which is why I will probably buy another PC in the future.

[WinTard]

Thank you my friend klanguedoc for the kind words, we are all students of life, and our passions. I am happy you and I enjoy sharing our thoughts and ideas with the rest of our wonderful community.

[mykldean]

Sorry that I incorrectly referenced your write up, the write up that I was trying to thank you for as "excellent". After referencing your write up so badly that it sent you off on some name calling tangent, I then wrote my ideas on the mac/windows debate, ideas that see through 99 percent of how people even approach the concept of operating systems.

This is the article I said I enjoyed by you:

Deadhacker said:

There's a huge difference between "focus on engineering" and "stealing
concepts and innovations from smaller sources who can't afford to
defend themselves from a successful monopoly."

Give me $1000 to buy a laptop, and I'll get four (that's 4) netbooks running Linux. Put THAT in your TV ads, Monkeyboy Ballmer! Gimme a break Deadhacker!

All this focus on engineering and stealing concepts and innovations
from bla bla bla are mere BS and FUD from malcontent Microsoft bashers.
And there's a lot more R&D in Microsoft than any open-source, since
everybody has access to open-source, including Apple and Microsoft, for
free! That's the concept! Isn't it obvious that proprietary starts
where open-source ends? Proof? Just look at OS X.



You can get a Dell Mini-9 for $250 with Ubuntu preloaded, or XP for
$300. $50 bucks isn't the end of the world considering free support
since around year 2000?
Oh and for those Mac fanatics, that must have OS X, you can boot that
too on any non-Apple PC! Just buy the latest Leopard OS X for $99. If
you are the End User, then it's not illegal. At most you would be
breaking a minor clause in the self-serving Apple EULA and you. Which
gives them the right to revoke the license (your rights to use), but
woud have to refund your money. The only way to do this is to purchase
OS X in the first place for $99. If they sell it to you, that's it and
that's legal. Does anybody truly believe resellers won't sell you OS X
online or walk-in brick and mortar businesses retailers like Best Buy
or Wal-Mart in exchange for money? And a checkmark saying bla bla bla
perhaps...? Both vendors and consumers have rights you know.
Where's the beef?
Just google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 6,200,000 for boot os x on any pc. (0.17 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 16,600 for efix dongle. (0.15 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 216,000 for engadget mini-9 os x. (0.22 seconds)
Assume you had a bottom-of-the-line PC, like the Dell Mini-9 purchased
for $250 with Ubuntu preloaded no less, just read this article to open
your horizons...
http://www.engadget....d-to-run-os-x/]

Any and all Linux or variant are non-issues since it's free!
> !http://wintard.freehost10.com/image/osprices.png!



So all this brouhaha for a mere XP $50~$100 OS X and free Linux? Nonsense!

Welcome to the real world.

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The rationale behind this post hinges on:

As far as legal precedents concerning this issue of illegality for OS X
to be loaded on non-Apple branded hardware, people cannot ignore this
US Supreme Court ruling:

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,700 for *1984 U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals decision held that a software publisher can't require consumers
to run an operating system on a specific type of hardware*. (0.35 seconds)

The exact US Supreme Court case legal precedent is:

Results 1 - 10 of about 446 for Digidyne Corp. v. Data General Corp., 734 F.2d 1336 (9th Cir 1984), cert denied, 473 U.S. 908 (1985). (0.15 seconds)
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DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A LAWYER. For legal advice, consult a lawyer. To understand your fundamental rights, please visit [http://eff.org. They are lawyers.



For the record I then wrote this after reading what you wrote above:

The back and forth
between Microsoft and Apple becomes silly when you see the
underpinnings of the business models of both of them compared to the
open source community (linux). When most people use proprietary
operating systems we all have interoperability problems that keep us
all from moving forward...all in the name of greedy companies that want
to keep you in thier "box" rather than further the real reasons we all
use operating systems at all....

[WinTard]

:_| OMG, then my sincere and profuse apologies! Misunderstanding on my part. My bad. Welcome here to our community mykldean. :0 Please do not hold this goof on my part from you enjoying your stay here. I was trigger happy, a professional deformation, and I apologize to all for that flaw in my character. I tend to be somewhat direct, especially when confronted with perceived trouble...

Again, will you accept my sincere apologies please?

Thank you.

PS: the irony is I know and understand all these timeless guiding principles, yet have to truly metabolize them to become a better human being...

~~~~~~~~~~
We should be too big to take offense and too noble to give it.
~ Abraham Lincoln, 1809-1865, 16th President of the United States

For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind.
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, 1803-1882, American Poet and Essayist

Never write a letter while you are angry.
{Chinese Proverb}

So long as a man is angry he cannot be in the right.
{Chinese Proverb}

2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
3. Follow the three R?s:
- Respect for self
- Respect for others and
- Responsibility for all your actions.
5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.
7. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.
10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
~ Dalai Lama (Excerpt from the Dalai Lama's 19 Instructions for a Happy Life.)

I have been a selfish being all my life, in practice, though not in principle.
~ Jane Austen (British Novelist and Writer, 1775-1817)

There are two kinds of egotists: Those who admit it, and the rest of us.
~ Dr. Laurence J. Peter (American "hierarchiologist", Educator and Writer

Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.
~ Dalai Lama
:)

[WinTard]

Speaking of which, mindset does a lot. I'm frustrated by freehost10.com, because they are more down than up, even though they claim 99.9% uptime.

In the end, we always get what we pay for... So in all fairness, since they are 'free', I can't really criticize, but myself, for choosing them in the first place and the omnious task to go fix 800+ posts for broken links...

I'm going to go fix that with a paid Linux service providing 20Mbps symmetric bandwidth (in/out) to the Internet with shell and root access to my virtual machine right now!

~~~~~~~~~
Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
~ Warren Buffett

It is not fair to ask of others what you are not willing to do yourself.
~ Eleanor Roosevelt

If you would take, you must first give, this is the beginning of intelligence.
~ Lao Tzu

[jrbales]

Man, I love this commercial! It really nails home the point that PC users have SO much more to choose from and are not left out on the cold if they have a tight budget. I was at this same point recently - there was not one Macbook that I would have been able to afford but I had 10-12 PC notebooks available, all from major manufacturers (Dell, HP, Lenovo). And just a reminder to Bignumone who wrote that he'd like to see Lauren in 3 months when her $700 laptop dies because he's known 2 people it's happened to...you know, we all know instances like this. I seem to remember a while back where MacBooks were going up in flames due to bad batteries. Lauren may be able to pop that hard drive out and salvage her data...that's kind of hard to do when the MacBook is a pool of molten plastic in the middle of a burned up house or apartment!

[Herendo]

Guys, we eat too much red meat. Remember, Steve Jobs himself said the platform war is over. It's been over a long time...20 years or so. MS ships 300 million windows licenses to Apple's 9 or ten million, and right now, Apple's share is dropping again. Windows 7 is coming out and will do further damage. Apple fans are like the little yippie dog that barks at your heels as soon as you walk away. Lots of noise, no serious threat.

[samikey]

Excuse me, Microsuck, but price is only a part of the equation. Reliability is also an important factor.
Let's face it, MS put a turd in the punch bowl with VISTA and cannot compete with Apple as far as a stable O/S goes. So price is the only thing they can go after Apple on.
MS, please answer this question. If your current O/S was so good, why have so many businesses refused to upgrade?
After seeing that Windows 7 will be somewhat of a stripped down version of VISTA; maybe we should call VISTA Windows 7 Beta, they better hope it hits a home run.
I will pay for reliability and performance, so these current ads should go into the back of the closet with the Gates/Seinfeld fiasco.

[tenney67]

I think it very funny that it's OK for Apple to bash windows based computers with the television ads filled with half truths and as soon as Mircosoft finally responds with a (fairly accurate) ad of their own everyone gets bent out of shape.

Also, I've been saying for years that Apple is missing a golden opportunity to expand their market by selling their operating system to however wants to buy it. Then finally Windows and Apple could be run on identical computers and we can finally put the PC war to rest by letting the market decide which one is better. The ball is in Steve Jobs court but I doubt he will do it since Mr. Jobs and Apple are control freaks.

[BadBob]

Actually, if you were paying attention, the Vista platform is very stable now. It was pretty good after SP1, and very good after SP2. I know the Apple fanboys like to think they have a reason for spending so much more money, but if you used a new PC for a month you would hate all the extra money you have given to Apple.

[McDaveH]

dinzdale said:

I love the apple/pc debate, because it highlights this strange identity religion of brand loyalty. In the end, it's just two tools, and you pick the one that does the job at the price point you want. (Incidentally I have both: built a PC for gaming and work, use an iMac for sound recording, have an iPhone, and use a non-apple mp3 player (iRiver clix)). But, imo apple's support for DRM-plagued files (iTunes store) makes them a huge loser - aggressively leveraging their market share to protect their stake in the hardware market at the expense of their loyal customers - i.e. not very hip at all (but who expects them to be?...) ok.

Unfortunately iTunes dropped DRM on music a few months ago. Still, at least it was better than a right-click comment. Have fun with your PCs oh, & MP3 is 20 years old this year. Good to see you're on the cutting edge!

McD

[rgreen4]

Actually MP3 is a good format and unlike many of the others not tied to one brand as are several of the others.

[McDaveH]

rgreen4 said:

Actually MP3 is a good format and unlike many of the others not tied to one brand as are several of the others.

As is VHS, MP3 is MPEG1. This century we're at MPEG4 (AAC, contributed by Dolby) from the same standards group not tied in anywhere.

McD

[McDaveH]

Vista is a stable platform on the systems it's shipped with as long as you didn't downgrade to XP - at one stage MS literally couldn't give it away! The problems came from people following the fallacy that PCs are upgradeable and when they tried to do so we all know what happened. The MS faithful have literally purchased their way through the stability problem just like they were told to do.

McD

[McDaveH]

Herendo said:

Guys, we eat too much red meat. Remember, Steve Jobs himself said the platform war is over. It's been over a long time...20 years or so. MS ships 300 million windows licenses to Apple's 9 or ten million, and right now, Apple's share is dropping again. Windows 7 is coming out and will do further damage. Apple fans are like the little yippie dog that barks at your heels as soon as you walk away. Lots of noise, no serious threat.

I shouldn't let that market share drop too much, what then will Windows have left to copy? & where would that leave you? You'll have to wait more than another 8 years between decent OS refreshes - now that's faithful!

McD