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[Brotherman]

You shouldn't be trying to 'kill' anything. If an operating system works you should let consumers who want to keep it do so; and support it. The geeks, and big businesses will always keep up with the leading edge. The masses of the 'normal' people should be able to use what ever works for them.

[sickpup]

Windows 2000 is still on servers at my job so XP will not be dead for a long time. Besides unless they fix the poor networking performance I experienced in beta testing I won't be upgrading but downgrading to XP.

[WinTard]

Windows 2000 and Windows XP are excellent Operating Systems with proven track-record.

However, what is going to kill both these venerable OS is the inevitable attrition that will occur to the hardware platforms running these OSes.

Once hardware fails, one will attempt to replace it. But such obsolete platforms won't be anywhere to be found. Please remember that Windows 2000 came out in 1998 in beta form, and Windows XP came out in 2000 also in beta form. Thus hardware platforms dating back ten years, are simply obsolete and cannot be cost-effectively repaired, they will have to be replaced with contemporary hardware.

The current hardware available will require device drivers, unavailable for platforms such as Windows 2000 and Windows XP.

The proper title to this article could have been, How Hardware Obsolescence and Failure Through Attrition Will Finally Kill XP.

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When all else is lost, the future still remains.
~ Christian Nevell Bovee, 1820-1904, American Author and Lawyer

[asiafish]

This is already happening. Windows 2000 is actually my favorite Microsoft OS, it is lean, fast and stable, without the bloat of later versions. What finally moved me to XP in 2006 and Vista a little while later wasn't any new feature, but the inability to run the latest browsers and iTunes software on Windows 2000. If IE7 and iTunes 8 were compatible with Windows 2000 I would still be using it on my ThinkPad today.

[WinTard]

Hey my friend asiafish, removing bloat and unnecessary crap from Windows isn't that difficult. An eye opener is to boot in safe mode and see memory consumption. Under XP it will be around 100MB. Then by using msconfig, one can tailor how they want their system. The starting point is the Disable All button !









I am still running a MSDN Windows 2000 Server Enterprise, on an old dinosaur Pentium PRO... :D

Just to accept contemporary ATA larger drives, I had to contact http://esupport.com/ since even the ASUS latest BIOS was insufficient.

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I even attempted to reverse-engineer the obsolete BIOS with the use of Sourcer, a heuristics disassembler. But it became too complicated, and a simple $40 fee, fixed my problem... Um, I am a wintarded PRO dinosaur too, alas... History taught me I've got at least one or two orders of magnitude more failures under the belt, than successes. That's what makes me a dinosaur. But when I lose, I never lose the lesson!

That's what I meant about cost-effective repairs. I could have purchased an entire new mobo for $60... LOL!

Hey, let's give credit to credit is due, this thing dates from way whenever eons ago, and still runs, from parts I built myself. I would say this is quality? Still on the same original CPU fan from Intel !!! LOL

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I think and think for months and years. Ninety-nine times, the conclusion is false. The hundredth time I am right.
~ Albert Einstein, 1879-1955, German-born American Physicist

[SteveJ]

How much did Microsoft pay you to post such a PR piece on Windows 7?

[phillypa800]

i don't have to read this article to agree any further. win7 is going to kill both XP & VISTA. it's about time m$ got it right (for now).
i currently boot 3 OS's (XPHOME,WIN7Bld7000,& VISTA ULTIMATE), and i am loving win7 mostly. XP will forever be my OS of choice to fall back on should the final version of WIN7 fail.
1.5 out of 3 kudos for m$. i plan to buy win7 if m$ can maintain consistencies with the OS updates, and so forth.

[WinTard]

SteveJ said:

>How much did Microsoft pay you to post such a PR piece on Windows 7?

How much is Apple paying you to spread FUD and bash Microsoft as usual?

[margegineverra]

"Enterprises have gone through at least one round of hardware refresh since the Vista launch"
I don't buy that statement. At my firm, a VERY large enterprise, a hardware refresh for desktops takes over 3 years to complete. We finished the last one in 2005, and are starting the next one late this year.
For the next 3 years, we'll be running older PC's that will not be able to run either Vista or Windows-7.
The author is out of touch with how enterprises plan an do upgrades. Article sounds like a Microsoft marketing plant...

[WinTard]

I agree with everything you state, for your case. However disagree with this plant theory. You don't know.

What I know, is most machines now are ready for 64-bit computing. All the new AMD or Intel are 64-bit. So we need a successful 64-bit replacement. The critical mass is there, albeit perhaps not for your large organization, but with all the economical turmoil happening, it is precisely the large organizations that become paralyzed and trim useless fat or dead-wood off their headcount. Whereas, the small start-up companies that will fill the void by the downsize created by the large companies, will all use new PC's and hardware and stuff. Thus I think Windows 7 is strategically poised to come in Just In Time, finally!

And for the record I AM NOT A MICROSOFT PLANT. And I'd like to see you after 965 posts state what I am saying, as the truth always surfaces...

;)

PS: Funny all the noise about plants, shills, only comes from low post count members? I keep on noticing that pattern? People why do you think we have post count # attached to our avatars?

[ImaPhake]

"For the next 3 years, we'll be running older PC's that will not be able to run either Vista or Windows-7."

Your "VERY large enterprise" must have purchased the crappiest computers in existence. I have a 10-year-old P4 with 1Gb of RAM which can run Windows 7 just fine -- and it runs nearly as well as did Windows XP Pro on the same machine.

If a lowly netbook can run Windows 7 and the enterprise computers at your firm cannot, then I feel sorry for your IT department -- they must be total ignoramuses.

[HeroofAvalon]

Hey, come on. Let's not stoop to insults, 'kay? Everyone's situation is different, and just because they may have to run a certain number of programs necessary for the business (which may cause them some lag), doesn't mean you know about it either.


So, let's not throw names and keep this civilized, alright everyone? ^_^

[WinTard]

Yes you're right in principle. In reality however, when people spew thinly veiled insinuations bordering onto accusations, we need to put a stop to that too.

I for one, am rather fed up by those low-post count wonders whose only message is inflammatory, derogatory, and purely useless. They should know this kind of hypocritical behavior won't be tolerated in our civilized PCWorld Community.

And I agree with ImaPhake's considerate response, and happen to think likewise. I do not think he exceeded our Community Standards. When that happens, then we can count on our good and diligent moderators to nip things in the bud. I applaud his reply.

So if someone starts by making disparaging remarks such as "how much did you get paid for" or "looks like a plant..." they deserve to be put back into their places, with the same disregard they dispense their medicine onto others. Politely of course!

And I am being nice. Fair is fair! Please realize HeroofAvalon this isn't directed towards you personally. You just happen to be the unfortunate catalyst that got me at the time in my life, I've decided enough is enough! People will get what they deserve. And that applies to me too.

Kindness will attract kindness. Meanness will ...

I am stating my intent of open-season onto uncivilized people spreading FUD and BS. You found your match! And I believe many other members of our community feel sympathetic to this cause; of clearing (or at least minimizing) this community of juvenile or mean-spirited intent. Specifically to bashers of any side. Watch out.

To you HeroofAvalon, please allow me to commend you for speaking up.

Peace everyone!

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Peace and justice are two sides of the same coin.
~ Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1890-1969, 34th President of the United States

The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names.
{Chinese Proverb}

The game of life is the game of boomerangs. Our thoughts, deeds and words return to us sooner or later, with astounding accuracy.
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Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and its cowardice.
~ George Jackson

The greatest mistake is trying to be more agreeable than you can be.
~ Walter Bagehot

All virtue is summed up in dealing justly.
~ Aristotle

Recompense injury with justice, and recompense kindness with kindness.
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~ Edmund Burke

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[MarioJP]

i actually like windows 7 its speedy indeed. I am still using vista currently and i have no issues at all. I like vista as well too. I keep xp virtualize because of those that are on xp and so i can help them fix whatever problems they encounter.

[ImaPhake]

I apologize for calling the computers his firm purchased, "the crappiest computers in existence."

For everything else, no apology will be forthcoming. It wasn't an insult -- it was a characterization.

And yes, I "know about it" due to having extensive knowledge regarding what constitutes a crappy computer. In addition, "lag" is something quite different from "won't run."

Windows 7 is quite capable and just as peppy as XP on identical hardware. Vista is not.

There is no excuse for an IT department purchasing computers just 3 years ago that cannot run Windows 7 today.

[JimH443]

I've not tried Windows 7, but here is what it will take in order to make XP "disappear" from the community:
1) Do everything XP does, with the same device drivers.
2) Require the same hardware that XP does.
3) Give it away for free.
If Microsoft does this, there will be very few XP users. :)

[scarface9477]

Bah! This article is extremely biased to Microsoft, sounds like somebody got paid, hmm?

[bilalakhtar]

Well, people said the same with XP and it did happen, now let us see what happens to Microsoft before people begin shifting to Linux and Mac.

[WinTard]

bilalakhtar wrote:
Well, people said the same with XP and it did happen, now let us see what happens to Microsoft before people begin shifting to Linux and Mac.

Now that's a funny one!

Excuse me it makes nonsense to me?

>Well, people said the same with XP and it did happen,

What did people say, and what happened?

>now let us see what happens to Microsoft

Sure, I've been watching for the past 30 years, and like what I see.

>before people begin shifting to Linux and Mac.

Oh, so THAT is your message?

Well then, let's talk about that very point of yours:

Linux started in 1991, eighteen years ago. ( http://www.lugod.org...ux/page14.html) or simply google: Results 1 - 10 of about 26,100,000 for when did linux start. (0.12 seconds)

As for Apple:

>http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Whendidapple_start
>Apple was established in Cupertino, California on April 1, 1976 and incorporated January 3, 1977 by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak.

Or simply google: Results 1 - 10 of about 77,300,000 for when did apple start. (0.22 seconds)

What makes you or any Linux fanatic think that after 18 years, reaching the astonishing less than 1% market share of PC in use worldwide or for that matter Apple fanatics, that after 33 years of existence, reaching the stratospheric meteoric zenith of less than 10% market share of PC in use worldwide -- that that suddenly, things would change dramatically?

I am really curious about your rationale?

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