[rmiami225]

But will it do what Vista did for me .... switched us to a Mac!
Just yesterday I upgraded to an "N" router, both our Macs jumped right on it ... but nether of our PC's with Vista could ...after several hours with Linksys techs ... problem still is unsolved! ... soon when I replace the PC's the nightmare will be over!

[WinTard]

rmiami225 said:

>But will it do what Vista did for me .... switched us to a Mac!

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Just yesterday I upgraded to an "N" router, both our Macs jumped right on it ... but nether of our PC's with Vista could ...after several hours with Linksys techs ... problem still is unsolved! ... soon when I replace the PC's the nightmare will be over!

What nightmare? You claim:

rmiami225 said:

>But will it do what Vista did for me .... switched us to a Mac!

Now you just upgraded yesterday:

rmiami225 said:

Just yesterday I upgraded to an "N" router, both our Macs jumped right on it ... but nether of our PC's with Vista could ...after several hours with Linksys techs ... problem still is unsolved! ...

The Linksys tech would have closed your trouble case, since you claim it works on Mac, right? Thus it isn't a Linksys problem. PERIOD. Networking has nothing to do with brands. As a matter of fact TCP/IP is exactly the same standard under Apple, Microsoft, Linux or otherwise. For your edification the acronym stands for Transport Control Protocol / Internet Protocol and is generic amongst all platforms. Precisely designed to ensure interoperability amongs heteregenous system architectures.

And you are supposedly having a nightmare, but have the time to come here bash us with BS and FUD. Just typical of a fanatic Apple Cult follower?

rmiami225 said:

>... soon when I replace the PC's the nightmare will be over!

h3. Pure FUD + BS and Lies!

Your post is absolute nonsense, and self-contradictory!

Both my Dell Latitude D830 running XP-SP3 x86 and Windows 7 Ultimate x64 beta, work with all 802.11-N at work and at home, just like that! And so do all my other visiting friends, except my son's Apple iPhone 3G, cannot connect unless I revert to the insecure WPA using TKIP encryption, instead of my hardened secured WPA-2 using AES encryption. Yet my BlackBerry Bold 9000 works like a charm!

You are a Microsoft basher! Period. No one will take seriously here at PCWorld. Sorry to burst your iBubble...

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[rgreen4]

WinTard has pretty well summed up the situation, if in a not so diplomatic way. Any Windows machine with wireless capability, will detect and attempt to connect to a wireless router. If it has never connected before it will notify you that a wireless signal has been detected, give the SSID of the device and ask if you want to connect. If you click yes it will then notify you that the PassKey is needed and ask that you enter it.

The only possible reason it would not connect is if you had turned of the b/g signal and the Windows machines were older and were b/g only. I have a 5 year old laptop that is b/g only and for that reason I have not upgraded my router.

You have also not opened a discussion in the forum asking for assistance. This forum has a number of knowledable helpful people. If you are really interested in solving your problem, simply open a discussion, mark as a question and state your problem.

[rmiami225]

No I'm not .... I just want stuff to work! I didn't know anything about Mac's until I bought one for my wife last October. I just thought all of the time, I wasted tinkering over the years as being normal ... The only thing I've done to the little macbook was replacing the bottom case (after my wife dropped it!) and Apple covered it. The little thing just works ... See most of the people on these threads have above average computer knowledge (Including you, I suppose) and see the little glitches as fun challenges (as I use to), but I don't have time anymore to baby sit Vista .... and all of its little quarks! And nether does most anybody else (including my customers) who don't want to be techies ... they just want their computers to work! By the way, look up the discussions on Linksys with the WRT160N router ... and you will see major issues. The Linksys tech said they are having huge issues with Vista so this are no lies! they have techs just to deal with Vista!
I have in addition to the macbook ... a M700Toshiba tablet, an HP Pavilion, and a brand new Macbook Pro! (A thing of Beauty!) I have 32 bit Vista bootcamped on the Macbook (which works better than on my Toshiba!) and I have 64 bit Vista on the Pro (buggy as hell!)
Microsoft is like General Motors was in the 80' and 90's, putting out flawed products .... and it created a whole cottage industry to repair them. The techies can argue Mac vs Pc all you want ... but Microsoft will continue to loose market share (as they should) ... they will drop from 89% to in the 60's in five years!



There is a whole new world out there grasshopper!

[WinTard]

I apologize to all for my lack of diplomacy, but we need to put an end to innuendos, that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread topic Windows 7 Finally Killing XP... If only to propagate and perpetuate FUD... I'd be happy to help any users experiencing any technical troubles, but my intuition tells me this may not be the ultimate purpose in this case... Who knows? I've been proven more wrong than right, and remain open-minded.

With all due respects,

Sincerely.

;)

[WinTard]

I shall remain open-minded, and will help you resolve your Wireless - N problem with Vista, if you as rgeen4 suggested, open your own thread and let me know, I shall join, and together I am sure we can make it work! In Linux, Windows, you name it. Just not here in this thread.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

[rgreen4]

You may have hit a hardware inconsistency in the draft-N specification and the way they are implemented. While the newer devices are more compatible, two to three years ago if you wanted to use Linksys N, you have to have all Linksys adapters as well as the router. If you had a Netgear router, all the adapters would have to be Netgear.

In their rush to ship N devices, the manufacturers did not wait until the final standards were published. I don't think they are yet. Another reason I did not upgrade my router.

If you will open a question in the two areas WinTard mentioned or in Networking, there are a number of knowledgeable people who should be able to work with you. My feeling is that this is a hardware issue, not a software issue, but there are possible work arounds.

[jazzy5]

WinTard,

I love your comments and always love your response. I being PC World reader for many years, but very few occasion I have post a comment. That is because your comment are right on the dot or because sometimes it's not worth replaying to some peoples comments. I have a PC with Windows 98, another with Windows 2000, mine with Windows XP and my wife with Windows XP Media. They all work fine. I also have a Apple laptop just to see the other side of the fence and my XP have a dual boot to Linux Ubuntu. Since many of the programs I use runs on Windows, 90% of the time I use Windows XP. I also repair many of my friends and families computer. I did not went into this business because it does not really pay. Most people want a free fix or almost free repair and I am a softie.

Where I work, I am POS support for all Point of Sales (Cash Register) and PC, scanners, etc. Even if I have not taken a Computer Science course, I read every single book, magazine related to computers. I have prove myself in the field where others with the titles have fail to correct computer or network problems.

This has given me the knowledge and inside of every computer problem. I do not know everything, but I am open to learn new things. It just upset me when people bash a program or PC or Microsoft. If it wasn't for Microsoft and IBM there will not be the computer revolution has we have now. Do you think we will able to tink with Apple computer the same way we do with any PC? We will running IBM server in each company and only very few people will have access to it. I am not a Microsoft lover but a like what they have done to the computer industry. If you like Apple or Linux, enjoy it but stop bashing the PC.

Oh, WinTard, this post was not about you. I just got all wine up with this, my is better than yours.

[WinTard]

Hello jazzy5! You and I are becoming friends, and I like it. Thank you for the kind words. We enthusiasts must stick together, to progress, and help each other. So you made my days, with your simple, yet truthful feedback.

Isn't our PCWorld community PriceLess? :)

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[bilalakhtar]

Dear WinTard,

I meant after Windows ME failure, people said that XP will be better and will be a good upgrade from 98 as people tried to avoid ME just like we are trying to avoid Vista. So, XP did turn out to be good.

I said"lets see what happens to Microsoft in the future" means whether Microsoft is able to capture the 1% with Linux and the 10% with Mac.If itfails, the reverse could happen.

Things can change dramatically.

[rgreen4]

bilalakhtar -

you are assuming that Windows wants 100% of the market, and I seriously doubt that. I may seem strange to some but they are not concerned if Mac captures 10% or even 12% of the market, and I doubt seriously if they can do more than that, as they just don't have the productive capacity nor the market pricing to do it. Besides, when people become aware that Macs are really not that much more reliable than a PC, that alure will have worn off. I mean most of the problems with PC's are the drives, memory modules and electronic parts on the MB, which for the most part are identical between Mac, Dell and HP. A Seagate drive is not more reliable in a Mac than it is in a Dell or an HP.

As for Linux, unless Linux drastically changes their business model and gives the user what the users want rather than what the developers want the user to have they will be hard pressed to exceed 2% to 3% of the market. They have significant driver issues because many of the device manufacturers don't see a benefit to supporting an OS with that small a base.

They have enough problems with regulatory agencies around the world with 88% to 90% of the market. If they were to get dramatically above that the cost of defending themselves could easily exceed the incremental profit.

[Foxylady48180]

if Windows 7 is better than WindowsXP it will replace it, not kill it.

[Foxylady48180]

And that just about covers it doesn't it? Lets just hope that the new OS's are better than the old ones.

[WinTard]

Dear bilalakhtar,

First please allow me to applaud your considerate and sensible response. It shows goodwill, which is at the basis of everything um, good. Please understand that I am not bashing anything, Apple, Linux or otherwise. I simply attempt to be open-minded, albeit, perhaps easier said than done, but overall, think I am doing a good job at it. Market shares and numbers represent nothing to me, in the sense that unless something has a particular use, or value, in my perspective, towards my needs, then it is useless, to me. I don't need validation by numbers. I frankly couldn?t care less about who?s `bigger? has more money in the bank, better stock ratings, etc? All useless to me.

In the end, I think that competing amongst users is futile, useless, or worse, counter-productive as well. How does one justify preferences? No need to justify anything. Just enjoy, live and let live?

We should rally together as consumers, together, against those who take advantage of us! Illuminate truths, and hidden motives. Basically help each other out, instead of the companies out there competing for our money. Let them compete against themselves! End users should be united.

As for Linux, well, it can hardly be called a business, since there is no financial profit in mind. Open-source falls into another unique category by itself, one I truly admire, and support 100%.

Finally, I am happy that the seeds of true dialogue and mutual-understanding are taking roots, with yet another computer enthusiast in our wonderful PCWorld Community.

Cheers my friend!

PS: I am on your side (the users). Just not on `their? side (the vendors).

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[Foxylady48180]

I'm new at "posting"; didn't even know it was here. It is NEAT I must say. I agree with you that everyting in going 64 bit and if I were to be buying a new computer I would go that way. I really think that Windows 7 is only what they wanted Vista to be in the first place. I think someone made some bad decisions up front and it cost them. Now the money is comming back and they are fixing and finishing it. I can't quit figure out the guy that said he was running Windows7 on 1 gig of ram. The RAM and OS are different worlds. However, I don't care what he is running on 1 gig,he isn't running very fast.

[ImaPhake]

"I can't quit figure out the guy that said he was running Windows7 on 1 gig of ram. The RAM and OS are different worlds. However, I don't care what he is running on 1 gig,he isn't running very fast. "



Well...I can't quite figure out why you are pointing out a distinction between the OS and RAM. Every OS needs a certain amount of physical RAM and every OS uses varying amounts of RAM to perform the same tasks.

Windows 7 will run nearly as fast as XP when running the same programs. The machine I was referring to is one that I use for gaming and video tasks. It has just 1Gb of RAM because that's all the motherboard will support (it's a 10-year-old Sony VAIO desktop). The video card in the machine is an old ATI AIW 9700 Pro with 128Mb of VRAM. The machine has a 2.4GHz P4 CPU and a lowly 400MHz FSB.

For gaming, I get identical frame-rates using Windows 7 as the machine gets when it runs Windows XP.

For video tasks, there is a slight difference in performance but it is so negligible as to be non-existent. The machine has a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 capture card. In XP I can use the WinTV software for PVR purposes, but with Windows 7 I have to use the Windows Media Center app for TV recording (the WinTV software has compatibility problems with Windows 7 and won't run). I use Sony Vegas Pro 8.0 for editing and rendering video. With just 1Gb of RAM I can play Half-Life 2 and record a TV program to a secondary HD at the same time with very little lag. Rendering video files with Vegas takes a little bit longer under Windows 7 than it does under Windows XP, but not so much longer as to be worth mentioning. One of the things that I often do with the machine is use the secondary video out from the GPU to feed back into the capture card -- this way I can record an in-game video without taking a performance hit that a program such as FRAPS would create.

Were it possible to install more RAM in the machine, I would do so -- more RAM is always desireable.

That machine running XP will boot in just under 18 seconds (since it's used for gaming, the number of processes running is just 15). For Windows 7 the machine boots in 32 seconds with about twice the number of processes running).

All-in-all, for me, running Windows 7 with just 1Gb of RAM is virtually identical to running Windows XP with 1Gb RAM. It runs fast enough to do the very same things with no noticeable differences, so saying that it "isn't running very fast" is pretty much meaningless and wrong.

The point is this: The machine could run Vista but with just 1Gb of RAM that is about all it would be able to run and it would be very slow to do anything at all. Windows 7 gives me what Vista has but without the huge overhead in resource usage and it is comparable to XP in performance. Any machine sold in the past 3 years should actually run much better than that 10-year-old machine in my example.

Considering that Windows 7 will run on a lowly netbook PC, there is no excuse for poor performance running Windows 7 on one of today's average desktops with dual-core CPUs and 2Gb of RAM or more.

[WinTard]

Wow! I am truly impressed with your technical acumen, and what you do on a 10 yr old system using XP, including being able to use the latest and greatest Windows 7. And understand the underlying differences!

You are a technical guru! My respects sir! May I call you my friend? :)

[artzy65]

Ya, about your post count... a little high, eh

[WinTard]

Ya - What do you expect from a WinTard? Eh artzy65? You wouldn't be one of those Artsy-Fartsy non-technology oriented types would you? People that have a so-called "life"? Whatever it is you are, enjoy!

[artzy65]

Actually I'm an Old Fart(sy) at 65, mainly a graphic artist but also into tech (Mac...ssssh don't tell anybody, i drank the apple kool-aid right from the beginning). You're cool, honey!