[nite41]

@ alkybird

Windows productivity suite software!! wow!! What is the heck is that? Are you referring to the crappy extra trial softwares that come with a new PC?? Coz if you are, boy, you got a really long way to go man!! lol!!

And it seems you do not own a Mac. No wonder you are ignorant about them. Get one, use it for some time, then come back and reply. I am pretty sure, that by then, your eyes would have opened up!

To finish off, i bought a MacBook Pro coz i was tired of the BSOD.

Case closed....

[nite41]

@ alkybird

You seem to be drowning in Windows-emotion! The article is about Windows-based laptops and Macs. No Linux here!

[nite41]

@ alkybird

Who doesn't want a girl friend / wife like that??? I would love having a gf/wife with all those qualities! The average housewife is a 'housewife' after all. So, after time, if you do not do her bidding, she will show the BSOD! So, you will have to spend every now and then on other stuff just to keep that 'housewife' normal! As for the supermodel, she is one sexy lady. She doesn't others to tell her she is hot! So, she doesn't need those extra stuff to keep her happy. She is content and happy.

If human beings were laptops, George Bush would be a Windows-based laptop and Barack Obama would be a Mac!

[bbvammy]

did someone just mention Linux?
okay, I am there.

how about
Mac vs. Windows: $3000 Laptops Compared

how about
Apple vs. Orange

[nite41]

@epgomez
I think even a screwed-up Windows 7 wouldn't hurt much. Keeping in mind the near-monopoly that Windows has, it will probably take another 4-5 bad products to make Microsoft really suffer.

[WinTard]

Speaking of structural integrity. In the olden days, cars were made like tanks and actually in case of crash, wouldn't crumple. Thus the inhabitants were the shock absorber, receiving the full brunt of impact. A parallel can be drawn here about aluminum chassis. Not a solid block, but a tri-layer construction, of which the bottom is machined. If you accidentally drop that aluminum onto a solid concrete floor from normal height, the internal guts (chips are not encapsulated into aluminum, but plastic) will be MORE damaged, than if encased and protected by a flexing plastic polycarbonate case. Thus unless you intend to use your 'thin' laptop as an anvil, this hyped structural integrity is a moot point. Furthermore, the glass screen on MacBooks, will not withstand any impacts better than a plastic screen. In effect, your aluminum MacBook / pro, would be more fragile than its counterpart made in a body of plastic. Why don't you see helmets or sports padding made out of a solid block of machined aluminum? How about an aluminum jock strap? Why are the ultimate golf clubs, skis, and tennis rackets made of plastic? Carbon fiber composites are plastics... Even top-of-the-line high-performance wheels are made of plastic. Suspension member parts in my Toyota Supra Turbo are made of plastic. And it is a model purchased new in 1989, and still runs like a charm. Hmm. Makes you think if aluminum is actually for strength, or looks? I put it to you that typically, you drop your MacBook accidentally and it is toast! The LCD will shatter. Precisely due to the lack-of elasticity resilience provided by your 'superior' strength aluminum and seamless edge-to-edge glass. The HDD will receive the full brunt of the G's. And don't tell me you've never dropped anything... A member here reports he dropped a plastic laptop down four flights of stairs, and it survived intact. I am 99.99% certain, that if the same happened to an aluminum MacBook Pro, the unit would be kaput...

Oh by the way, high-tech composites, are more expensive to manufacture than CNC a block of aluminum. You see, to make these intricate plastic molds, require extreme precision machinery, making a mirror-image of the part out of a solid block of metal, which isn't aluminum, because it is too soft...

And in the market, space-age plastics, are much higher technology, and costly to manufacture than raw aluminum. Period.

If you take apart any high-tech device, you will notice that the plastics actually have more than just 'plastic' properties. They include resiliency, electro-magnetic properties such as shielding, and grounding.

I see only two advantages to an aluminum enclosure for electronics:
1) Looks good, sexy, sleek, whatever, but that is mere surface and style...
2) you can use the case as a huge heat-sink surface, negating the need for noisy fans.

That's it. And that's all.

But for marketing purposes:
1) differentiate yourself, so you can charge a premium. Isn't it obvious?
2) I can't think of another reason, sorry.

As for thinness, that is all BS. You don't need a solid milled block to make it thin, and strong. BS I say. You believe whatever you want. And lightweight? Skimp out on the batteries. Batteries components are heavy!

I'm not saying thin and light isn't good. I'm saying an aluminum case isn't the end-all and be-all that defines a computer/laptop. The Dell Adamo is full aluminum case, and is actually thinner than any Apple MacBook Pro.

Oh, aluminum is a poison and oxidizes very easily. Thus must be anodized to prevent corrosion. The anodizing process, renders the material non-conductive... And that thin molecular anodizing surface is very easily scratched... After which, corrosion ensues... As a matter of fact, to prove the oxidization point, do you know what Thermite is?
>Thermite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction. ...
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite - 57k - Cached - Similar pages

Which is BTW what brought down the collapse of the towers of 9/11 because it burns (oxidizes) so hot, that it will melt reinforced concrete supporting pillars.

And for the poisonous part: Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,260,000 for aluminum poison. (0.28 seconds)

Food for thought or the body? Mmm, finger licking good...

As for strength, have you ever seen an aluminum hammer, screwdriver or crowbar? Or for that matter an aluminum bullet-proof vest? But a kevlar vest is actually a plastic bulletproof vest. Also did you know that a single strand of nylon, is stronger than steel of the same gauge (size)? And why don't we have aluminum golf balls? Wouldn't they last forever?

Case closed for the Aluminum vs composites (which have plastic properties).

People get real! Aluminum enclosure, it's for looks!

!http://video.google.com/ThumbnailServer2?app=smh&contentid=d8fd3b7bf91a3259&offsetms=5000&itag=w160&sigh=5zsFTex3SPZ8eEGzrpe0xMLvMw&h=60&w=80&sigh=dvfJ-pfbrTrZvzLDlWakAkl6ITs=! !http://img.youtube.com/vi/vqoX4eGdE1U/default.jpg?h=60&w=80&sigh=_KYpoeFyp3VyAjnbPArJYgu6RQCU=!
To remind everyone of what non-plastic shock impact transference is...

;)

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Main Entry:plas?tic?i?ty
Pronunciation:pla-?sti-s?-t?
Function:noun
Date:circa 1783
1: the quality or state of being plastic ; especially : capacity for being molded or altered
2: the ability to retain a shape attained by pressure deformation
3: the capacity of organisms with the same genotype to vary in developmental pattern, in phenotype, or in behavior according to varying environmental conditions
4: the capacity for continuous alteration of the neural pathways and synapses of the living brain and nervous system in response to experience or injury

[WinTard]

nite41 said:

@ alkybird

>
>Windows productivity suite software!! wow!! What is the heck is that? Are you referring to the crappy extra trial softwares that come with a new PC?? Coz if you are, boy, you got a really long way to go man!! lol!!
>
>And it seems you do not own a Mac. No wonder you are ignorant about them. Get one, use it for some time, then come back and reply. I am pretty sure, that by then, your eyes would have opened up!
>
>To finish off, i bought a MacBook Pro coz i was tired of the BSOD.
>
>Case closed....

I have never experienced a BSOD in the past three years. You must be some computer user...

nite41 said:

@epgomez

I think even a fucked-up Windows 7 wouldn't hurt much. Keeping in mind the near-monopoly that Windows has, it will probably take another 4-5 bad products to make Microsoft really suffer.

You don't even know Windows 7, this shows your ignorance, prejudice and bigotry. - Case closed.

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Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both.
~ Thomas Jefferson (American 3rd US President. Author of the Declaration of Independence. 1762-1826)

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
~ Isaac Asimov (Russian born American science-fiction Writer and Biochemist. 1920-1992)

The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.
~ Elbert Hubbard (American editor, publisher and writer, 1856-1915)

[WinTard]

>mikedgolf40505 wrote:
>I agree they should not name it PC World. I was thinking that Anti-PC World or Anti-Microsoft might be more accurate.

Hey my good friend mikedgolf40505, those few vocal troublemakers, are being put back into their proper places... I tell you. Trust me. We're making a difference, through facts and common-sense, not BS. Those silly authors won't risk being embarrassed, by the likes of educated true computer enthusiast right here, and elsewhere. They already look like fools. Have you not noticed an improvement in the quality contents of articles here already? I have. And I will continue to debunk FUD and BS wherever I stumble upon it. No holds barred.

I commend you on your impartiality and open-mindedness. Since you are a true computer enthusiast, and also an Apple fan! That's exceptional, and honorable. Please continue to stand up for what you believe; you do well for our entire PCWorld community!

Cheers!



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Ten persons who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte, 1769-1821, French General and Politician

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.
~ Plato

If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
~ Anatole France (Jacques Anatole Thibault)

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
~ Dale Carnegie

The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
~ Winston Churchill

As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand.
~ Josh Billings (1818 - 1885)

Truth is the only safe ground to stand on.
~ Elizabeth Cady Stanton

[WinTard]

>I consider myself to be platform agnostic, rather than a platform zealot. I just use whatever is better at the time of my upgrade cycle.
>~ asiafish

And you too asiafish! I am proud to consider us friends, and take everything you say very seriously. Thank you. You also know that I truly desire one 17-inch MacBook Pro, but alas can't afford it at the moment. Priorities... Right now, my next purchase will be a new gaming system to complement and do justice to Windows 7 Ultimate x64, when it comes out. I'm already on my fourth beta, and simply find it AWESOME! I am in that upgrade cycle. This is what I will get:
A barebones augmented by two kick-4$$ SLI video cards. :D


But one day I shall make my move to Apple and OS X. Next year maybe? It's not that far?

I salute you, and Apple for their spirit! Untarnished by petty people spewing discord and hate.

BTW: this quote was brought to my attention my very dear friend NYSkater, an exclusive Apple aficionado, from whom I learned so much about the beauty and elegance of Apple, and deep subjects in life. And I thank all of you my friends for truly expanding my horizons. Sincerely.

PS: I appreciate the Lexus touch in your post! ;)

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Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.
~ Steve Jobs

[WinTard]

Hey technicalhitman my good friend! I always enjoy reading your posts! You are so full of good information and facts! Did you see what system I'm building for gaming? I think you would approve?

I would advise PCWorld members to pay attention to what technicalhitman says, his posts are always spot-on and great advice!

Please keep on informing us!

~~~~~~~~~~
Ability will never catch up with the demand for it.
~ Confucius

[nite41]

@ WinTard

Hey, you have never experienced BSOD in the past 3 years! That's quite an achievement. Seriously! Either you are a genius or you're lying or you're too cautious to play around with your PC.

Regarding your Windows 7 comment:
I don't even know Windows 7! Is that a person (that i should know)? ;)
By the way, it seems you did not truly understand what i said in my reply to 'epgomez'. Can you not read between the lines?
I was trying to emphasize on the huge market share of Windows. It is so big that even if Microsoft fails (again) with Windows 7, it wouldn't make much of a difference to it's market share.

Side swipe:
I agree i haven't even tried to use the Beta versions of Windows 7 by myself. Most of the people who migrate to Mac OS X rarely go back to Windows.

[asiafish]

WinTard said:

As for thinness, that is all BS. You don't need a solid milled block to make it thin, and strong. BS I say. You believe whatever you want. And lightweight? Skimp out on the batteries. Batteries components are heavy!

I'm not saying thin and light isn't good. I'm saying an aluminum case isn't the end-all and be-all that defines a computer/laptop. The Dell Adamo is full aluminum case, and is actually thinner than any Apple MacBook Pro.

The Dell Adamo competes with the MacBook Air, not the MacBook Pro. It costs more than the MacBook Air and has a slower processor. It is thinner than the Air at the back of the laptop, thicker at the front, about equal overall and is 30% heavier than the Air. Like the Air, it lacks an optical drive, but it does have a few more IO ports.

Of course, like the Air, the Dell Adamo is marketed as a premium product rather than a consumer model, and thus sells at a premium price ($1999 to $2699) that is $200 MORE than the faster and lighter MacBook Air ($1799 to $2499).

[rasmasyean]

Actually, I would think that the processor which is not only >110% clock, but also 200% cache is a lot faster. Not to mention the 4GB of RAM.

I think the bulk of the tax is if you want to buy peripherals and software. If you want really good ones, they don’t have that many equivalents for Mac/OSX, which leaves you in many cases having to buy Apples overpriced hardware and inferior software where available.

If you want the best hardware/software, sure you can install Vista on your Mac, by then 2GB is very low, esp. for 64-bit Vista because that’s what would be equivalent to the Dell. I’m not sure you can use 2GB “comfortably” with Vista 64 (not counting free minimal-ware, etc.). Oh and you can also get a lot more freeware for Windows…but I guess the Mac does bundle some “basic art stuff” for you (which is good for those people who don’t really know about these or don’t want to bother searching or are too lazy to look for them). So depending on the way you look at it, I’m not sure you can count “iLife” as a plus as some people would even consider stuff like this “crapware”.

Also, once you become more of a heavy user and upgrade your software in a couple of years or whatever, scaling to 8GB would be a lot better than being limited to 4GB, if you want to extend the life of your computer this way (again assuming you use decent software) rather than buying a new laptop.

I think that Mac’s are for those people who don’t really know much about computers and are basic users. In this case, what they are paying for is really the extra handholding at the expense of flexibility. …excluding the niche art market of course and the pockets of unix users out there who want a decent interface.

[nite41]

@ rasmasyean

Your comment was really meaningful until the last paragraph.

Let me rephrase it. You think that Mac users are the ones with basic skills and requirements? Now i feel sad for all those 'dumb' creative people (designers, illustrators etc) who use Macs mainly for it's processing ability. Tell me one creative design studio which doesn't use Macs as their main systems.

What you mean by 'basic' is actually called 'ease of use'.

Side swipe:
When will frustrated Windows users (who cannot AFFORD a Mac) stop cribbing about Macs?

[WinTard]

nite41 said:

@ WinTard

Hey, you have never experienced BSOD in the past 3 years! That's quite an achievement. Seriously! Either you are a genius or you're lying or you're too cautious to play around with your PC.

Regarding your Windows 7 comment:
I don't even know Windows 7! Is that a person (that i should know)? ;)
By the way, it seems you did not truly understand what i said in my reply to 'epgomez'. Can you not read between the lines?
I was trying to emphasize on the huge market share of Windows. It is so big that even if Microsoft fails (again) with Windows 7, it wouldn't make much of a difference to it's market share.

Side swipe:
I agree i haven't even tried to use the Beta versions of Windows 7 by myself. Most of the people who migrate to Mac OS X rarely go back to Windows.

First of all, I don't lie. Not that I need to justify or prove myself to you. But you being 'tired of BSOD' might be a cheap cliche used by many lying Apple ignoramuses to go with the flow and justify their delusions with a cheap shot bashing Windows.

[Intrepid781]

Do you honestly think all Mac people are highly sophisticated socialites who just use their computer to edit photos and make movies? Most people that I've seen with a Mac don't do anything fancy with it, they just have it so they can say OMG LOOK I HAZ MAC PC SUX. I would rather go with a computer that is built for an operating system that supports all kinds of hardware and software than a computer that only supports itself.

[nite41]

@ WinTard

Hey..I didn't specifically say that you lie. It was just one of the three things i said! An attack on other person's character is something i would never do. As for the BSOD, you may say whatever you want to. But i have had my fair share of BSODs. It was reason enough to join the Mac bandwagon. And trust when i say this: It has been one of the best decisions i have made in my life.

Also, i am not bashing Windows. I am just saying that (in my personal experiences), Mac has been much better as compared to Windows.

Damn, where is this comment thing going? lol! All i wanted to say was that the author had not rightfully compared the laptops. And the replies took a wild ride and came back to the gold old Mac-Windows fight. It is a fight that will never end. lol! I hope you agree with me on this!

So, for the sake of saving our time, i propose a ceasefire.

[WinTard]

Come on! You're splitting hairs in four. We were talking about the concept of aluminum, and thinness. Not actually comparing model to model. You focusing on insignificant distinctions of milimeters and grams...

Please don't worry, I'll get to that, factually when I have the time.

I intend to illuminate the facts and fallacies behind all this brouhaha, and expose and debunk all the BS and FUD Apple bigots generate. It won't be pretty for Apple cult followers... But so what? At least as independently understood by rational people most of which I think compose the silent majority of our PCWorld community IMHO.

~~~~~~~~~~
Truth is the only safe ground to stand on.
~ Elizabeth Cady Stanton

[nite41]

@ Intrepid781

It's amazing how you managed to generalize my comment. lol! It's pretty childish actually.

I don't remember writing something like 'highly sophisticated socialites'! So, i do not know where and why you came up with that phrase. And it seems, you haven't yet met people who fully utilize their Mac.

[WinTard]

I applaud your response. Ceasefire accepted! Because it is the right thing to do. You and I have better things to do in life than battling over perceived superiority of brands, which quite frankly does absolutely nothing for us the end-users... Except perhaps in terms of juvenile bragging rights.

It is nice to see reason triumph over silliness.

That is the win-win philosophy.

Peace!



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I'd like to share the irony with another similar controversial topic: Linux and Windows

WinTard says:
29. Apr 9, 2009 10:01 AM 29. in response to: PCWorld
Re: Linux Needs Critics
Age old controversy of those who have versus those who have not. Fundamentally jealousy.

Whatever it is they are coveting.

Why should an apple compare to a pear, orange, strawberry, blueberry, fig, raisin, pineapple, mango, or passion fruit? Don't be silly and restrict yourself. Enjoy them all!

There is no best, or ultimate. Period.

The age of medieval inquisition is over! Fanatics on all sides: GROW UP! Be good for something for a change... Don't criticize, contribute
instead!

And Linux needs enthusiasts, not critics. Critics are USELESS.

To paraphrase a famous quote:
He that is good for criticizing is seldom good for anything else.
~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790, American
Scientist/Publisher/Diplomat

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If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. But above all, don't complain.
~ Maya Angelou

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
~ Oscar Wilde (Irish Poet, Novelist, Dramatist and Critic, 1854-1900)

Everything has its beauty but not everyone sees it.
~ Confucius

When you are content to be simply yourself and don't compare or compete, everybody will respect you.
~ Lao Tzu

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
~ Galileo Galilei

If there is light in the soul, there will be beauty in the person
If there is beauty in the person, there will be harmony in the house
If there is harmony in the house, there will be order in the nation
If there is order in the nation, there will be Peace in the World.
{Chinese Proverb}