[WinTard]

The Mac is a PC! PC's support Blu-Ray! Therefore Macs support Blu-Ray.
And Apple uses generic electronic components, like everybody else. PERIOD.
According to the 80/20 rule, 80% of the readership will believe my statements, while the other 20% won't... B-)

[rasmasyean]

Wasn't exacly what I meant...but...lol

[artzy65]

PCWorld should rename their forums 'PCWorld Fight Club'.

[waldojim]

OK guys, here goes:


Firewire VS USB. Who cares? Firewire has always had one market, and I suspect with HD video, they will continue to do so (with firewire b) and that is DV. I personally do not use it for that, but I DO use firewire a lot. I like it for the daisy chaining, I like it for the reduced CPU usage, and it is more efficient. SO all of my external drives are firewire, I network through firewire (it def beats 10/100), not just because it is faster than Ethernet (ignoring gigabit, since that is only available on my desktops) but because I can share all those devices easier, the hard drives, burners, etc.

At the same time, USB is currently the market standard for mice, keyboard, etc and I NEED those to use the machine. So I do not expect them to go anywhere for a while.

Blu-ray on a mac: Pointless, it will likely never work. Unless Apple changes the very foundation upon which the OS is based, the BSD OS was not designed for the draconian encryption methods that sony used. The only way to get around the Blu-ray will be similar to the banned topic of slysofts offerings. ( only mentioned the companies name, there shouldn't be a problem) But using the unmentionable software would violate DMCA and I don't think Apple will go there.

DVD-RAM, who gives a shit what system it came out on first? It is not like that technology went anywhere. I still see support occasionally for it, but I cannot find a camera that uses it, or a set top recorder for that matter.

Slot load dvd drives: guys this is not a new concept, My last pioneer was slot load, as was my Nakamichi 5 disc SCSI cd changer. Get over yourselvs, this has been done before repeatedly. Most manufacturers use a tray because they are more reliable.

hardware: Ok first, Macs are x86 now, get over it guys, they use the same damned machines us pc users have been beating ourselves with for years. They work. You can give us all the crap you want about the boards being made to higher standards, and all that crap. But I know better. I still do not see a Lifetime warranty on a mac. When you do that, you will have something special. until then remember that my motherboard that I bought all have a lifetime warranty, as do my video cards. Heck, nothing in my machine has LESS that a 3 year warranty, sure I have to open the case and send back the deffective part, but that means nothing to me. That is easy crap.

Look, Macs have a reason for existence, but trying to push crap on us PC users isn't going to work.

[artzy65]

Macs don't need warranties.

[WinTard]

artzy65 said:

PCWorld should rename their forums 'PCWorld Fight Club'.

I will not start it, but I will finish it! ]:) (Oh, I am NOT fighting with you artzy65!) You should see me fight...

artzy65 said:

Macs don't need warranties.

Neither does my 1998 Dell Latitude CPi, nor my 2004 Dell Inspiron 300m, and the 'complete care coverage' for my Dell Latitude D830 runs out in 2011. All parts and labour are under warranty (including accidental damage which isn't warranty but insurance), the next business day on-site.

I feel that is superior to your typical Apple warranty, as seen on http://apple.com. Also included (Complete Care Coverage Next Business Day On Site Parts & Labour) in the Dell Studio XPS at $1249 comparison to the MacBook Pro (1 year warranty return to Apple) at $1999...

Um, if Macs don't need warranties, why does Apple offer a 1 year warranty? ;)

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> Limited warranty and service
>
> Your MacBook Pro comes with 90 days of free telephone support and a one-year limited warranty. Purchase the [AppleCare Protection Plan to extend your service and support to three years from your computer’s purchase date. Only the AppleCare Protection Plan provides you with direct telephone support from Apple technical experts and the assurance that repairs will be handled by Apple-authorized technicians using genuine Apple parts. For more information, visit Apple support or call 800-823-2775.Funny there is another stupid Mac vs PC ad on TV talking about the PC's disclaimers...

Speaking of which, there currently is yet another stupid Mac vs PC ad on TV: About PC Disclaimers... LOL!

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[http://www.apple.com/legal/applecare/appgeos.html]

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Whereas at Dell, it's "Complete Care Coverage, parts & labour, including accidental damage"...

~~~~~~~~~~
Do what I say, don't do what I do? More Apple FUD vs what actually is reality? ;)

[MarioJP]

artzy65 said:

Macs don't need warranties.

woa ok macs may last longer but lets not get over ourselves here. it still a computer. At my work we had 3 apple notebooks one with a hard drive problem second one with the problem unable to load or unload cd's dvd's from the slot loading tray. and the third one i don't know what was up with that one it would not turn on.


just like anything else its best to have warranty. its like saying my home built pc does not need any warranty either. 2 years and still going but i wouldn't go out and make that statement. You could say macs are few in the repair shop which sounds more like it.

[artzy65]

I should have said my macs don't need warranties

Now, why do you suppose I said that? ; )

[TechieXP]

Exactly. Another example...almost every PDA or Smartphone uses flash memory which I can remove and use on my pc or in another phone. But Apple had to be different and use an expensive motorized drive and you can't even hook up the phone to a PC and use it for storage. It music and video only. Yet phones that cost less and more do more.

Flash memory is cheap and is a cool way to add features to a PC. Yet time and time again people thiunk spending more for less is better? Even laptops come with card readers and I even carry an adapter for use with MicroSD flash memory for those whi may want to transfer music and files much quicker.

Even many of todays cameras don't need firewire because again pictures and movies are stored on flash memory...which can easily be removed or you simply hook up the USB and it appears as a drive...no software needed...true plug and play.

It would seem since photographers use all types of cameras...flash memory ports would be something that would be native to a Mac.

Here is a test. I have teh Blackberry Storm...plug it into my PC...after 30 secs was working like a charm, I plug it into one of the Macbook Pros and it pull one of Windows numbers with the unknown device...however it did, bring up the internal drive with no problem...but I could browse the phones onboard memory natively like I could in Windows. I guess I should have gotten an iPhone. :-)

[MarioJP]

TechieXP said:

Exactly. Another example...almost every PDA or Smartphone uses flash memory which I can remove and use on my pc or in another phone. But Apple had to be different and use an expensive motorized drive and you can't even hook up the phone to a PC and use it for storage. It music and video only. Yet phones that cost less and more do more.

Flash memory is cheap and is a cool way to add features to a PC. Yet time and time again people thiunk spending more for less is better? Even laptops come with card readers and I even carry an adapter for use with MicroSD flash memory for those whi may want to transfer music and files much quicker.

Even many of todays cameras don't need firewire because again pictures and movies are stored on flash memory...which can easily be removed or you simply hook up the USB and it appears as a drive...no software needed...true plug and play.

It would seem since photographers use all types of cameras...flash memory ports would be something that would be native to a Mac.

Here is a test. I have teh Blackberry Storm...plug it into my PC...after 30 secs was working like a charm, I plug it into one of the Macbook Pros and it pull one of Windows numbers with the unknown device...however it did, bring up the internal drive with no problem...but I could browse the phones onboard memory natively like I could in Windows. I guess I should have gotten an iPhone. :-)

its the reason why i am getting the blackberry bold. supports up to 32GB swappable microSD cards.

[artzy65]

I'm totally mac-centric, but PC is better for most consumers, in the same sense that no one really needs a Mercedes Benz.
But if you want a better, more elegant and more stable user experience... well... I've made my choice.

[quackadilly]

The electronic Mac
components are identical, chip for chip, give or take, in the same way
that all software is just ones and zeroes. It's all in what parts you
use, and what you do with the parts.


Very true.

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A chassis for their notebooks is milled from a solid block of aluminum is different than a 'normal' notebook PC.


I really don't care...who does besides Mac fans?

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A battery that lasts eight hours in a 17" WUXGA notebook PC is
different than a 'normal' 17" notebook PC of the same specs, where if
you don't RUN to the power next outlet, you're going to have problems.


Put the PC on power saving mode....you'll see a difference.


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A notebook that weighs half as much, and is half as thick as PC notebooks is a huge differnce. Especially lugging it around.


There are PC notebooks that weigh next to nothing. You can't compare top of the line to the crap PC model.


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A unique multi-touch (like iPhone) mouse pad. Very different from the little plastic P.o.S. mousepad you get on most notebooks.


You're so funny. They're really not so amazingly awesome, high quality as you think they are.


www.thethinkingblog.com/2007/09/how-to-make-your-own-multi-touch-pad.html $2 my friend.

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Backlit keyboard keys on a solid foundation, excact same layout as
their detached keyboards. Not wobbly chicklet keys that pop off when
you type.


Backlit keyboard IS very nice. Wobbly "chicklet", "pop off when you type".....please stop the mythed stereotype.


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An LED backlit display that's instant-on and looks gorgeous.


The guts of the "Apple" monitors are also the same as PC. Praise all you want, its a PC.


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A magnetic power cord that won't pull the computer off the desk. Go try it.


Only happens to idiots......


seriously, if you pull your laptop off the table....got get a Mac.


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The OS software is OSX - NOT Micro$uck Windoze. This is an enormous
difference. The difference between Micro$uck's ad-hoc, insecure,
bloated, crawling Windoze OS that you need a whole heap of 'security'
bandaids for, versus and a proven POSIX foundation that has stood the
test of time.


About the worst flame I've ever seen.


"ad-hoc, insecure,
bloated, crawling" Geeze.....time to upgrade from Windows Me. Get with the times


"Security band-aids" Apple makes band-aids too.....it's just that no one wants to waste their time attacking OSX.


"Proven foundation that has stood the test of time" ........ And what is windows still doing around if its not a proven foundation?


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The difference between a Mac and a cobbled-together PC are enormous.
Who is at fault when the video acts up? Is it the graphics card
manufacturer? Is it the motherboard manufacturer? Is it Micro$uck's
driver? Is it Joe-Bob in his garage who sells cheap computers he
cobbles together from salvage over a web site that looks professional?


"cobbled-together PC" WOW....thats a strong description there. My machines are not "cobbled-together"....I plan them out for price, performance and stability.Ive never seen anyone named Joe Bob making PCs in his garage.....and if I did, I'd have the common sense not to buy from him. What website are you talking about? Its not newegg is it? Or tigerdirect? Those are very well known and trusted sites. I've been building from newegg since I can remember.


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Who's covering your PC's warranty?


newegg and each individual part manufacturer.

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Especially with all those cheap-tastic PCs and notebooks that come with
a place to stick a brand sticker on, and get resold by dozens of
companies, and warranted by anonymous service contracts. Not that any
of these warranty services will cover PCs made by some manufacturers.


You put YOUR brands that YOU chose in those spots. CUSTOM. Anonymous service? What are you talking about? My Compaq is warrantied by Compaq/HP. Who else would give me a warranty for it? Certainly not DELL. I expect no one else to cover my PC, just the manufacturer.


WOW dude. You amaze me.

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After all, it's breakdown insurance, and if it's a lemon, the insurers
won't touch it. PC companies that package up cheap PCs go out of
business routinely. If they directly covere the warranty, you as much
as have no warranty.


Insurance sure as hell covers lemons! Who have you been purchasing from.....Joe Bob?


Tell me what companies have gone out of business.....DELL, HP, Compaq, Gateway, Toshiba, Acer, Sony, Eee PC? Why would you buy from some no name "PC manufacturer"? All of these companies do in fact directly cover your purchase.


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I would love to see the cobbled-together website where you get your information......I need another laugh.....I cant wait for you to regurgitate it on to this forum.

[WinTard]

Hey we think alike! I have the Blackberry Bold 9000. (and my 13 yr old son, the iPhone 3G).

[WinTard]

I will fully agree with you. Apple are excellent, premium class machines! Now as to better, faster, or whatever... I am not so sure about that.

[asiafish]

artzy65 said:

I'm totally mac-centric, but PC is better for most consumers, in the same sense that no one really needs a Mercedes Benz.
But if you want a better, more elegant and more stable user experience... well... I've made my choice.

Yup. I like using my MacBook Pro ALMOST as much as I enjoy driving my Mercedes. Quality, luxury and performance are always a good value.

[asiafish]

quackadilly said:

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A battery that lasts eight hours in a 17" WUXGA notebook PC is
different than a 'normal' 17" notebook PC of the same specs, where if
you don't RUN to the power next outlet, you're going to have problems.





Put the PC on power saving mode....you'll see a difference.

Yeah, it will go from an hour of battery life to 90 minutes. Wow!

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A notebook that weighs half as much, and is half as thick as PC notebooks is a huge differnce. Especially lugging it around.





There are PC notebooks that weigh next to nothing. You can't compare top of the line to the crap PC model.

That's what all of the PC zealots on this forum do. They say that thin and light don't matter, but they do.

[MarioJP]

WinTard said:

Hey we think alike! I have the Blackberry Bold 9000. (and my 13 yr old son, the iPhone 3G).

i want to upgrade from my blackberry curve 8310 to the bold. I have outgrown this phone. I can't even run pandora. its so slow and hogs my phone. Question is how fast is the blackberry bold??. whats the specs. I am a AT&T user. I looked at the iphones to see whats the fuss. To me it just feels you are paying for less features. Sure the bold cost more than the iphone but it is a better buy because it has expandable features, multitasking and the blackberry os that i am very familiar and very stable too.


I know the blackberry curve 8310 the processor is 325 mhz which is slow for me now. How fast is the bold's processor???

[quackadilly]

Yup. I like using my
MacBook Pro ALMOST as much as I enjoy driving my Mercedes. Quality,
luxury and performance are always a good value


So my last car, Toyota Solara '02, was not a good car just because it was only half the cost of your Mercedes? And my '07 Hyundai Tiburon is crap too? I very much like both cars.

Quality - Check

Luxury - Sure there's not a coffee maker in it but, Check

Good Value - Double Check.



Luxury is a funny thing. What makes a car (PC) luxurious? The name? Think about Sony.....expensive but not really better.......now Apple.....Mercedes, Buik,Chrysler, Lexus.......



Does my Kawasaki 650R suck because it's 2 grand less than the ZX6? Not by a long shot. It's still fun, it's comfortable as hell compared to a "real" crotch rocket, and it still does 0-60 in like 4 seconds. Plus I saved $2000, allowing me to redo the whole exhaust system and redo brake lines and the electricals like power commander and the ignition module.

Talk about value........ ok lets go.

[asiafish]

Another BlackBerry fan here! Had a 7290 and 8700 and 880 with T-Mobile and now an 8830 with Verizon. I looked at the iPhone, but I just can't get comfortable with touchscreen instead of keyboard (the same reason I don't own a BlackBerry Storm).

[quackadilly]

Yeah, it will go from an hour of battery life to 90 minutes. Wow!


Come on, you're not supposed to play games on battery power. At least
with a PC, you can play games right? lol (Exaggeration, but you get the
point)







That's what all of the PC zealots on this forum do. They say that thin and light don't matter, but they do.

Did they say it matters? No....right? Let them speak for themselves....don't put words in their mouths.......lawyers....... (dry humor, but again, you get the point)