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Which is Better For Your Business?a Mac or a PC?

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 02:43 PM

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Even tho stores are filled with generic items, we all know brand names taste better. That si why they cost more. However simple foods..like rice and sugar and flour are all the same no matter what the package looks like. So for that stuff there is no benefit to brand names. And software is similar. There are a few freebies that are just as good as the ones you buy. But there aren't enough of them.


Trust me, there is a HUGE difference in different brands/kinds of rice. Ask 10 Japanese or Korean people which rice they prefer and you will likely get 10 different answers, each with valid reasons for their choice.

I like Shirakiku or Calrose, by the way. Of course, those are Japanese/Korean style rice, which is totally different than Chinese-style rice, which is totally different from Indian. Of course, the big American brand name, Uncle Bens, is nowhere on any Rice-lover's list.
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 03:06 PM

"When I see weather and I see celcius...I don't have time to try to remember the formula to know the exact temperture"
Here in Canada we went metric in the '70s... I totally think celsius re weather... I don't convert to fahrenheit at all. But I still think in feet/yards/inches.

"Dreamweaver got easier to use by version 8...it was worth my investment as I didn't know web design enough to do all the coding. "
Dreamweaver C34 is awesome, and goes hand-in-glove with the rest of the CS4 suite... enabling a highly sophisticated workflow for the power user.
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 03:09 PM

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My first car after high school was a used 318i. I earned it because I agreed to go through 4 years of high school without and allowance and lunch money for school for 4 years and I also worked a part time job throsing papers as a junior and I worked at McDonald's making 3.35hr as a senior. And I wanted to go to college and I wanted to be impressive. It was a very nice car...but there were better ones even then and even now. I am not saying they are bad cars. I said there are bettering ones that cost only 1/2 as much...OH and tha car..even the simpleset of repair cost way to much. Example...it cost me close to $1200 to get 4 brake rotors replaces and pads....my dad had a Chrysler that had 4 wheeled disks...he paid just over 1/2 to get the same work done.

You can't complain about reliability on a used car. Did the previous owner abuse it? You just don't know. Most 318i BMWs are extremely reliable. Sure, they cost three times as much to fix as an American car, but they break down only 1/3 as often.

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Yes they ride somooth. Yes they are quiet. And yes when they break they cost more. After that car I refused to buy another import. However when I settle down I boguth 1 more. I bought a Hyundai. Of course they are so much better now. Look the Genesis won JD Power and Associates rewards. It passed a 5 start crash test..the same one the 5 series BMW which cost 2x's as much failed.I can get a Lexus and pay less and still have a car that on many levels is better. The car I drive now? 300M? It has space. Lots of it..without buying some over-priced import. I like it becaus eit is cury...compared to its boxy sibling the 300C. I put 20 inchs rim on it that are wide and use low profile tires to make it ride even smoother and I added a moon-rrof and spoiler to give it a more sporty look. And I bet it rides just as nice as your car and it cost me less than $25k to have it all. What did you pay? And it still only takes me 3 1/2 tanks of gas to drive too my old place in Sarasota Florida from Chicago.


Clearly you know nothing about cars. Low profile tires and massive rims do NOT make a car ride smoother, any car. Those things may be stylish to some, but they do the exact opposite of what you claim they do. The lower the profile on the tires, the harsher and LESS comfortable the ride.

If you Think Chrysler is such an outstanding car company, just open up the financial section of any recent newspaper. The fact is, for a car company to do well, the first requirement is good cars. Chrysler has failed miserably in the last decade.

As for the Genesis, yes, its a very nice car, but it is $40,000, not $25,000. It is the exact same formula that Lexus used in 1989, big and fancy at a 10-15% lower price than the established brands. Lexus did that for 5 or 6 years, but these days costs the same as its competitors because they no longer have to sell on price alone. The Hyundai genesis is a very impressive car. It is as nicely equipped and rides as smoothly as a Mercedes, but it is still not as solid as a Mercedes. It handles far better than any front-drive car could, but it still doesn't handle with the magic of a BMW. It is a fabulous bargain, but nobody would pick it over a comparable BMW or Mercedes without that price advantage. Maybe in the future, this is after all their first entry into the premium class, and a very impressive debut, but the Lexus GS (the car closest in character to the Genesis and Hyundai's design bogey) is still a BETTER, though more expensive car.

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I never liked big cars...as I always like smaller 4 cylinders...then after getting this car I won't even go back to a 4 cylinder. My next car will only have 2 doors. Will be American made...and it will still cost less then an import. Will have agreesive styling and more. All for less. Even if I made 6 figures like you do, I still wouldn't drive a Benz or Mercedes. Those cars are driven for status not need. It is your taste in cars...I respect your taste. I'm surprised you don't drive a Jaq or a Porsche. Again if you can afford an expensive car...you can afford the cost of the repairs. However you notice something with people who own those? They don't drive them everyday...and they try to only drive them in rural or suburban areas. Why? Because the cost for maintence and repairs is skyhigh. If I can't drive a car everyday...if I have to be scared if someone hits me...then I don't want to own it. Just like a computer. If I drop my pc its nice to know it is covered @ no extra cost. Can you say that? My car is less likely to get stolen. Can you say that? And my repairs don't cost an arm and a leg...can you say that? Just because you make a lot of money doesn't mean you have to waste it. I personally know the value of money...I grew up in a poor family. Now that I have...I don't want to be without. However I could survive on very little...Can you say that?


Don't drive them everyday? Who says? I drive my Mercedes every day. I currently have 72,000 trouble-free miles on my Mercedes. It has never needed anything other than regular scheduled maintenance, one set of brake pads and two sets of tires (I run summer sport tires, they wear quick). I've had my car on the race track four times (3 at Willow Springs and once at Laguna Seca), have driven it up to 130 MPH on the track, and have driven 1100 miles in a single day. Oh, I get 34 miles per gallon on the highway and the car still looks and feels brand new even after 72,000 miles of use.

My wife's 2007 Camry went back to the dealer for wind leaks, an annoying rattle in the dashboard, a power driver seat that stopped working and an air conditioning condenser that seized up. That car was under warranty, so the repairs were free, but it was far more troublesome in the 30,000 miles we kept it than my Mercedes was in 72,000, and at the end of our lease the car felt loose and sloppy. Toyota usually makes an excellent car, but we were very underwhelmed with our 07 Camry and replaced it with a new BMW, which thus far in 10,000 miles has needed nothing except gas.

Mercedes Benz has a MILLION MILE CLUB because Mercedes cars are famous for lasting longer than their owners. They are over-engineered. There is a solidity you feel in driving a Mercedes Benz that just screams quality. Why do other car companies give you free roadside assistance for the warranty period while Mercedes Benz gives you free roadside assistance FOR LIFE, even in someone else's Mercedes Benz? Simple, they are extremely high quality cars, rarely break down if properly maintained, and clearly cost very little to support. If Chrysler tried to give free lifetime roadside assistance they would be bankrupt. Oh wait, they already are bankrupt.

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I am curious. If the USa closed its borders..and didn't allow imports....what would you drive? I could be happy with a SMART car...could you? I am not impressed by ,uxury items. They are nice to have for those who choose to buy them. I have no problem with people spending money on expensive things. It isn't my money why do I car. I just find it funny when I see them on the side of the road asking for a jump in the middle of Winter. All that extra money and the car still won't start. Wow for 50 grand you'd think they give you a better battery.


Smart car is desiged and built by Mercedes Benz (styled by Swatch). I don't need an import, but I prefer them for the reasons mentioned above. I frequently drive 1000+ mile days and for that kind of driving, nothing beats the firm seats and solid ride of a Mercedes Benz. I like sporty handling and would actually prefer a BMW for that reason, but I spend too much time in the car and thus Mercedes has earned my business, three times in a row now. When I buy my next car, I will again compare, but just like Apple and Lenovo for laptops, Mercedes Benz is the standard that I start with.

By the way, I've given plenty of jumps to people driving all sorts of cars. Fact is, a car battery is good for 2 to 4 years under normal conditions, and will last longer or shorter depending on a variety of factors. There is no such thing as a better battery technology, they all use the exact same technology and will wear out at the same rate. Now there are different quality levels of batteries, but car manufacturers provide the good ones, even in cheap cars because they want the battery to last longer than the warranty, and since even the skimpiest warranties (Honda and Toyota, strangely enough) are three years, that means only a top-quality battery will do.

My Ford truck is almost 3-years-old and has 49,000 miles on it. It has the original battery and it is still very strong. My Mercedes Benz is almost 5-year-old with 72,000 miles on it, and it too still has the original battery. That battery still starts the car immediately, but as a rule I replace a car battery on its 5th birthday. Oh, that Mercedes battery, odd-size that only fits Mercedes (battery is in the rear next to the full-sized spare) only costs $160. More expensive than the F-150's battery, but not in any way outrageous.
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 03:17 PM

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Oh..and you actually don't have to buy a Lexus or an Infinity or even an Acura. In fact for about $30K...i can list at least 10 cars that will perfrom just as good as what you drive, still look calssy and can be fixed up with all the trimings as your Benz and still cost 10's of thousands less: !http://www.privatefleet.com.au/images/upload/Image/Chrysler-300C-002.jpg|thumbnail=true! !http://www.tintdude.com/images/toyota_avalon01.jpg|thumbnail=true!
http://www.newcarbuy...AccordEXL01.jpg
http://www.gotryke.c...ssan-maxima.jpg
http://media.2theadv.../images/LincolnMKZ042007.jpg

Now there are 5 to get you started...

Want the other 5?


My Mercedes was $34,000 brand-new. How is a $30,000 car tens of thousands less? Maxima costs the same as a C300 and is front drive, which is better for wet traction, but worse for ride and handling.

Why would I want your list of cars? You clearly buy cars on price instead of quality. Chrysler 300C is a nice car if you want a big car with poor fuel economy and a plasticky interior.

The Avalon is soft and floaty, made for the person who buys Buick and Oldsmobile, not BMW and Mercedes.

The Accord EX is very nice. It is a standard, ordinary family sedan. Comfortable and quiet with all the power goodies, but the seats and the ride are cushy and soft, not firm and tight like a BMW or Mercedes. The doors close with a clang instead of a thunk. It is a great $24,000 car that competes well with other $24,000 cars, but isn't up to the $34,000 class.

The Maxima is nice, but its still front drive and I'll absolutely pass on the continuously variable transmission.

Lincoln MKZ? Are you kidding? Its a Ford Fusion/Mazda 6 in a fancy leather suit. Don't get me wrong, the Fusion and the 6 are great $24,000 cars, better than the current Accord in my opinion, but this is a front drive family car platform, not a rear-drive premium car platform. Also, the MKZ is the same price as the Mercedes C300, BMW 328i and Lexus IS250, all of which are better cars.
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 04:31 PM

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Do you two guys have a life or what ? Do you get your cookies posting here all day on Memorial Day ?


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Posted 25 May 2009 - 10:11 PM

Now instead of talking about a PC or a Mac in the business world your talking about cars?

This is called HIJACKING THE THREAD.

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 11:07 PM

42 pages of flamin', and you think we've been on topic that whole time? :)

OK, this topical rant is off topic, too.

Um... Mac better!
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 05:42 AM

I don't think they are evil...or we may as well say all of the companys on Wall Street are evil. I onlt see it as MSFT protecting there investment. MSFT changing to XML? What does that have to do with open-source? MSFT was using XML before they dropped it into Office. I used it to create scripts to play a string of files for streaming music...and for Flash and PHP based MP3 players.

However even without XML, Open-Office can do that extreme formatting Office does. It doesn't even ome close. As someone else mentioned, what about companys that use Mail Merge? As I stated in my case I could certainly use OO...but since people I work with use MSFT Office...so do I. The problem with going free...is everyone has to go free. Not everyone is going to...because open-source doesn't make equal enterprise based software. I am sorry...MSFT got away with selling something to IBM that they didn't even have yet. But the same trick won't happen so easiy the next time. In order to compete agaist commercial software, you must be equl or better. If my software does 1 thing..and I open it in yours and it breaks...then it doesn't work. No matter how sall or big it may be, and it doesn't matter if you use it or not. Someone does that is why it is there.
I think when MSFT includes other standard in their software, it is to insure compatibility. Example...PDF. MSFT has been wrestling with Adobe to make Windows natively open PDF files...just like Windows can natively open zip files. Wouldn't it be nice if we could open the without needing to download Reader? I vertainly would like that. It saves time. The reader is free..so what advantage would MSFT have in being able to read the file? None. You think they are out to crush Adobe? Insuring Office can open other people stuff insures Office will be dominate choice in simply doing everything. That way those who do use other progras don't have to be concerned weather you can view the document of not...and it insures you don't need to install ore than 1 program that does the same thing. I can't tell you how many countless coputers I have fixed because people were running 2 or 3 programs that basically did the same thing. 2 I ca see in many cases....but not 3.

If you think MSFT is evil...then why can't the open-source drive be considered the same. Aren't they going against standards that have already been accepted and are widenly used? Does that make them evil? Or maybe it simply makes the more competitive.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 05:48 AM

I have both CS3 and CS4. I actually don't like CS4. I got so use to doing things a certain way in CS3...and they wen and changed it in CS4. Much like MSFt does with Windows. Ot get annoying. I can't see why they could simply change the look and not break what worked one way. Even tho I have CS4 installed...I have yet to put it to use since CS3 works perfect.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 06:28 AM

Um, as per topic, I say PC!

Why? Because there are more choices. Thus more ways to customize and tailor fit to a particular purpose or business. In the business world, one size doesn't fit all. And granted, for some businesses, Apples are better!
And people, I really think we should get this discussion on track regarding Mac or PC... N'uf said on cars... (I admit I am guilty, there.) ;)
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 08:49 AM

I agree.

Custimization is a huge plus. The coolest thing about buying an expensive product if being able to use your own tastes. I think colored computers are thw bomb. Even Apple did it once. Look how many IMacs they sold in the cool colors. Why did they drop that. I think that was reallo cool too because in business that do graphic design a creative looking computer simply looks the part. They reminded me of the pod SGI workstations. They also really stood out again the boring beige colored computers of the late 80's and early 90's.

I think pc's are better for business because that is who they were taylored for. Based on a new thread that showed some of Apple's older systems, these latest version are certainly more eye pleasing, and a bit better on the pocketbook. I could imagine paying $10K for any computer eve if I was as rich as Steve and $6K for a 16 lb laptop is unimaginable. And I though my latest 11lbs one was bad. Could that old Mac laptoip be considered the first desktop replacement? :-)

I think if you fairly look at what both offer that can be fairly compared, Windows based PC simply offer more of whant people want. That is what attarcted to people to a Windows based PC. It was AFFORDABLE and offer teh same ease of use as a Mac. That is a fact that simply hasn't change. Yes Apple has gooten more price conscious but it simply isn't enough. They need to offer consumer based versions that we all can afford. Especially since that is the only way to get OSX. A superiro product should be enjoyed by all and not a select few...that is why Apple fits in with the name of so many select few...Apple, Sony, BMW, Mercedes are all the same in that...only certainly people get to enjoy the claimed benefits.

As long as users can fid equal or better quality at an affordable price that will always be the better option. Cheaper can be batter, it just doesn't apply to everything. Not thing can beat feree as long as free can be as good as what you pay for.

Until someone actually offers a PC that does exact what a Windows PC does...all the way around...it will always be the better choice.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 09:19 AM

We gotta stop reverting back to this "Windows sucks", "Mac sucks" stuff.



Like WinTard said, its about options.



My vote: PC.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 09:42 AM

"I have both CS3 and CS4. I actually don't like CS4. I got so use to doing things a certain way in CS3...and they wen and changed it in CS4. Much like MSFt does with Windows. Ot get annoying. I can't see why they could simply change the look and not break what worked one way. Even tho I have CS4 installed...I have yet to put it to use since CS3 works perfect."

I still use Photoshop 6.01 on my old Power Mac, also Acrobat 3.01, Illustrator 6, although I have Illustrator 9 there. I have Photoshop CS on my OS X machines as well as CS4. I use the older versions for most jobs... they boot faster, and I'm a lot more familiar with them. CS4 is my future though... I'm studying Dreamweaver and will study Fireworks shortly, then Flash... then the others.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:08 PM

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I don't think they are evil...or we may as well say all of the companys on Wall Street are evil. I onlt see it as MSFT protecting there investment. MSFT changing to XML? What does that have to do with open-source? MSFT was using XML before they dropped it into Office. I used it to create scripts to play a string of files for streaming music...and for Flash and PHP based MP3 players.


The OpenOffice XML standard (fully specified by ISO/IEC 26300:2006, no less) became a standard in 2006. Naturally, Micro$uck had to rush out a competing standard that was pure gibberish right away. ONE comprehensive and simple standard means Micro$uck has to compete on equal footing with other vendors. Can't have that if you're the evil empire.

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However even without XML, Open-Office can do that extreme formatting Office does. It doesn't even ome close. As someone else mentioned, what about companys that use Mail Merge? As I stated in my case I could certainly use OO...but since people I work with use MSFT Office...so do I. The problem with going free...is everyone has to go free. Not everyone is going to...because open-source doesn't make equal enterprise based software. I am sorry...MSFT got away with selling something to IBM that they didn't even have yet. But the same trick won't happen so easiy the next time. In order to compete agaist commercial software, you must be equl or better. If my software does 1 thing..and I open it in yours and it breaks...then it doesn't work. No matter how sall or big it may be, and it doesn't matter if you use it or not. Someone does that is why it is there.


Actually, OpenOffice does any formatting M$ Orifice is capable of, and more. You apparently never bothered to figure out how to use it.

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I think when MSFT includes other standard in their software, it is to insure compatibility. Example...PDF. MSFT has been wrestling with Adobe to make Windows natively open PDF files...just like Windows can natively open zip files. Wouldn't it be nice if we could open the without needing to download Reader? I vertainly would like that. It saves time. The reader is free..so what advantage would MSFT have in being able to read the file? None. You think they are out to crush Adobe? Insuring Office can open other people stuff insures Office will be dominate choice in simply doing everything. That way those who do use other progras don't have to be concerned weather you can view the document of not...and it insures you don't need to install ore than 1 program that does the same thing. I can't tell you how many countless coputers I have fixed because people were running 2 or 3 programs that basically did the same thing. 2 I ca see in many cases....but not 3.


Whenever Micro$uck adopts a 'standard', beware. Their first order of business has ALWAYS been to extend it in incompatible ways. Just because Micro$uck makes something, it's not a universal standard. It really CAN NOT be a standard as long as only Micro$uck is allowed to develop anything that uses it.

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If you think MSFT is evil...then why can't the open-source drive be considered the same. Aren't they going against standards that have already been accepted and are widenly used? Does that make them evil? Or maybe it simply makes the more competitive.


Well, let's see. Why can't people freely contributing time to do work on a project that they love be 'evil'? Yep, those Amish doing a barn-raising must be pure-evil, too.

Well, I suppose Free Open Source Software can be 'evil', when viewed through the right kind of funhouse mirror. Of course to someone like MICROSOFT, Open Source would be 'evil'. Historically, any tyrant will label any number of people who bleat stupid things like 'democracy' and 'freedom' as pure, unmitigated 'evil', and have them tortured to death right away. Even practicing genocide to eradicate any 'evil threat' to their power. And their blind, stupid minions will carry out the orders without question. After all, those women & children are 'evil'. The whole village needs to be burned... like all the others.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:12 PM

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Actually, OpenOffice does any formatting M$ Orifice is capable of, and more. You apparently never bothered to figure out how to use it.

It doesn't do legal pleadings.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:50 PM

Democracy...Freedom?

No one has to use MSFT software if they don't want too.
Don't like Windows? Use OSX, learn Linux, Unix, Solaris, BeOS..whichever
Don't like Office? Use Open-Office, StarOffice, iWorks...whichever.
Don't like Expression? Use Dreamweaver or whichever.
Don't like PowerPoint? Use Flash or that one software Asiafish mentioned (or I think he did)

No one if forcing you to use MSFT stuff. However...what happens when one of your friends/clients/business deals use it..and what you have breaks it? Are you going to blow up at them saying to stop using MSFT stuff? I doubt it.

Open-Source is no more than an alternative. Just like Hybrids are alternatives to there less expensive gas burning siblings. If you care about the world you drive a hybrid...if you don't you stick to fossil burning gas guzzling everyday cars. As long as you have a choice there is no force. I woll certyain never say MSFT standards are the best...but they do work and they play well together. On a business level no one really has anything better..if they idd businesses will be using it. Example...when I was at Citicards I worked with IT to do 2 Customer Service Departments using customized software. The guy I was woring with did 10 computers that used Cytrix. I did the same thing using stadard software from Microsoft. I used MSFT Access to use the same database he was pulling info using Cytrix. When the dept went live...on the very first day, Cytrix broke...while what I did with less experience then what he had manged to work well for several days before the first problem occured. Proble was...Cytrix cost less then using MSFT stuff...however buy the time we paid soeone to fix it...they were put more money. In short...At Citibank in Tampa where they have close to 500 CSR's they went with MSFT, simply bec it worked 90% of the time and it cost less to fix when it didn't.

Linux/OpenO works for you and lots of others...but not for everyone. It is a very good alternative for those who can make it work.

I see it as this...
Linux and OSX and Windows have walls...

Linux walls...would be like being in your house. You can keep out who you want and let in who you want. You have the key. However that house was built by someone else and you still have too work within its confines. However if you have experience you can certainly modify what you want. Providing you ahve tie..or you have to pay someone else to do it.

OSX - The walls are like a jail cell. Once in you're not getting out, ot changing anything...in fact you can't do anything without someone else telling you - you can.

Windows - its like the Great Wall of China...its high and its long but there is no confinement. You can run along side, go around under and over. There are a few surprises here and there, but learning how to work with them is quit and easy and where it isn't, if you have a bit of time you can figure it out. If you have to pay someone? It is sunstancially less then other options. You can have it your way, do it your way and you can even cheat.

Why compare open-source software to closed source? Open-Source is a channel for soeone to get software that has limitations. However for those who don't need extreme commercial based features...OpenS is ok. Compatibility is the biggest issue. Most businesses are compatibile with MS or Apple...Linux is considered a server side software...its too technical for the average Joe. No matter what you say it isn't going to work. In order for Linux to work...it needs to be less sophisticated and more stupid. And what I mean by that is...it needs to be so simple that a 5 years old can use it. And when I say use...it needs to be fair usage.

Ask a typical user what memory is in a pc..they think its the hard drive. Ask a user what a CPU is - they still think its the box that sits on the floor. And that si the simple stuff. Ask anyone what os Linux, or Open-office or GIMP and most couldn't tell you. Why? Because they don't see it at work...they don't see it at school, they don't see it at a friends house...so they aren't going to see it at home. It doesn't come pre-installed on retail pc's...its not seen at Best Buy...its simply invisible. Until it is seen on at least 2 of these levels it may as not exist.

And when it comes to standard on software...how many do we really need. Every software has their own formats...most aren;t generally accepted. PSD. Unless you have some expensive software you can't even open them. They benefit those who actually can make use of them...just like Open-Source. It is simply an option for those like YOU...who can make it work...or are will to bend to how it works.

Out of all the programs MSFT makes on a user/business level...only Windows and Office are seen the most. The other products are Enterprise only and thus not avail on retail so thus they don't count. So why all the fuss over 2 products? MSFT doesn't compete in every product segent which means there is a hug opportunity for other sources to ake something to beat other offerings. Open-Source can't even beat Photoshop...

Just be fair/reasonable.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:56 PM

Good analogy.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 02:39 PM

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> Actually, OpenOffice does any formatting M$ Orifice is capable of, and more. You apparently never bothered to figure out how to use it.
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It doesn't do legal pleadings.


It doesn't do legal pleadings with the proprietary Micro$uck templates and documents that you are forced to use.

It certainly does them in Massachusetts, South Africa, India, Japan, Malaysia, Belgium, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Sweden, United Kingdom, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, and a growing list of locales that don't believe citizens should PAY MICROSOFT in order to do business with the government, courts, etc.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 02:58 PM

Just be reasonable, huh? All they want is peace, after all. A piece of Poland, a piece of Czechoslovakia, a piece of...

I don't HAVE TO use this software... it's just what you feel is 'best' for me? Gee how thoughtful. Just do what the big corporation says to and hand over my money to them.

It's infinitely more unreasonable for someont to tell me to use my OWN money to BUY a software package than it is for me to tell them to download and install a FREE ONE.

Besides, when I send around documents to clods who use M$ Orifice, I usually just send them PDF files. Especially if there is non-trivial formatting and/or custom fonts involved. Is it unreasonable for me to expect them to have a PDF reader? After all, Adobe's Acrobat reader is substantially the same size as OpenOffice, nowadays, but software bloat is a complaint about most commercial Windoze software, not least M$ Orifice.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 06:20 PM

That's because they found a way to work with Open-Office. With teh exception of Japan and the UK...and maybe a couple others...how many of them you think can afford Microsoft Office at the cost of the USD? Probbaly only an elite few. That is why Linux is doing so well in Africa Those childer are virgin to operating systems. So teaching them Linux 101 is probbaly no problem. They have no idea there is easier stuff to use. Those computers they give them is like a clean glass of water. You can't compare us to developing countries...you're talking about kids who think running water is what fall off a cliff...where a tub is a barrel or the same tub all the other animals use...the local water hole...some of those other countries where the house is carved into cliffs. That isn't fair or reasonable. And in countries like India where they do have a nit of money and use Windows...they still aren't taught open-source stuff. At my company we haird a guru from India who knew Lotus Notes like the back of her hand. Commercial software makes money...most open-source software get there ideas from where...? GIMP? Lets see lets take as the propritiry stuff out of Photoshop and see what you have left. Linux...Lets take all the licensed features out of OSX and Windows and see what we have left. Open-Office? Lets take MSFT Office and remove what we have to pay for an see what is left. Need i go on? You said Open Office can do EVERYTHING MSFT Office can? If that was true...you think businessws would still be buying licenses to Office? No matter what kind of car you drive....if someone gave you one that was equal or better...wouldn't you take it? Only a dummy wouldn't That is why your opinion source argument doesn't fly. There is something missing from open-source software. Its like eating fat free food. Sure its better for you...but when you do chopping when was teh last time you saw a box or can that was a fat free item? Even something as simple as milk tastes like crap with no fat.

Come on Dave...you can do better than that.
Its okay to hate MSFT if you want to. No one is going to lock you up. There are people who hatre other people just because of teh color of skin..but no one is locking them up. You have a right to feel something is better. There are lots of moral issues that have arisen because some people feel that some things are ok. And I respect and accept the fact that everything is ok'd by someone...but not everything is ok for everyone. Even Windows isn't for everyone///neither is OSX...neither is Linux. However marketshare does matter..and we already see which one simply doesn't work on a com=nsumer level. I don't know how much of the enterprise market Linux has...but that is where it fits.
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