[coastie65]

I believe HP does have some Lappy's with a Pink case.

[TechieXP]

Dell surely did with the Inspiron line...Flamingo Pink anyone?!

[WinTard]

Bandit4556 said:

Well I am going to try to not sound like a disgruntled Apple user... I have been a PC user ever since I got my first home PC that was an 8088 almost 25 years ago. I since have built PC's and even make a living working on them. When the day is done I am glad I come home to an Apple. It is funny that people claim that PC's are faster and that Mac's have all the issues that PC's do when they do not. I have been an Apple user now for 5 years and only about 2 months ago I stopped even turning my PC on. I am a gamer, musician and web developer... I can do them all on my Mac. The funny thing is that my home built PC with a Nvidia 280 GTX and 6gb of ram and a quad core cpu in it is worth about $400.00 and runs slower than my brand new Apple Macbook Pro 17". Explain that?! I sold my 3 year old iMac 24" to get money to buy my new Macbook Pro and actually sold it for $400.00 less than when I bought it brand new... PC's do not hold their value... Oh and guess what? I can do anything you can on your PC machine because I can boot Windows on my Mac... can you boot OS X on your PC ? Plus I can run Firefox on my Mac just fine which I am pretty sure that it will go to those areas that you speak of that are Windows only. Sorry if I sound a bit mad... but it is more that I am just disappointed that more people don't see the value of the Apple and trying to stop people from buying Macs... what are they worried about PC still owns 75% (give or take) of the market are they scared that Apple will take that? Oh and another thing is while I am typing this reply Sefari was checking my spelling while I type... does IE do that?

Oh yes, any recent PC can boot OS X.

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Hey, I'm not saying how to, or that I am interested in booting OS X on a PC. I am simply saying it can be and is being done... The only legal and ethical way is to purchase OS X anywhere at a retailer. Online, it's $99. Remember, the end-user can purchase whatever is being sold, and do it themselves...

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The exact US Supreme Court case legal precedent is:
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[GetReal]

Seems like this is about 75% FUD to me --- Go Read The Corresponding Article About Macs --- be useful!

This is becoming major BORING to continue seeing reader posts about apple crap in Windows articles!

[artzy65]

"Again another cheesy attempt to put down a Windows based PC"
Oh, really?....you ought to read other people's posts a little more carefully?or at least stop seeing everything a mac poster writes as an attack on windows?you seem to want to lash out at anyone who mentions their positive experiences with macs. I was simply responding to a poster who questioned whether or not macs would run with anything other than Apple-made peripherals.

"If you own a Mac and you go to buy new hardware you ahve no way of knowing if that hardware will work unless it has a Mac logo on it".
Re peripherals, that assumption is downright laughable... I can assure you I have never bought ANY tech 'blindly' (as you put it). Why would I buy any peripheral unless I had done my research first, and therefore knew it was apple-compatible? My non-apple made peripherals ? Kensington, Wacom, Logitech, LaCie, etc ? have NO apple logos on them.

"if Windows was truly 1/2 as bad as you all claim it is...and Macs were actually as perfect as you say they are.."
Hold it right there, I've never said macs were perfect... again,reread my last post: I actually mentioned that I had problems getting a decent apple-made exterior HD and that apple had a bad reputation (even within the mac community) re peripherals years ago.

I just relate my experiences with my mac in the face of those pc posters who often make incorrect assumptions about mac capabilities. I can't see how any reasonable person would see that as an attack on pcs.

[GetReal]

Mr/Miss/Mrs Moderator, your site is becoming difficult!!!
I made a post to an article here, then wanted to edit it >>> about 95% of the time the edit function takes me to a PCWorld page selling T-SHIRTS >>> from which I have to click-navigate-search-mess to find the needed entry to edit.
HELP US...

[waldojim]

ok, TechiXP - once again, windows is not the 'End all, Kill all' OS. Sorry to disappoint but Windows memory management is horrible. Up until Windows Vista, multi CPU management was just as bad. YES XP will use dual/quad cores, but not efficiently.

In the same breath Unix/Linux/BSD has been doing this since birth. for 30 years they have been multitasking, Multiprocessor beasts. Since Mac OSX IS BSD, it should be safe to say that the multiprocessing portion of the kernel has not changed. I would wager a bet, take OSX accross 128 cores once, and the same for Vista. then do raw performance marks, OSX WILL win that one.

Windows has gotten better about its processor management, that does not make it the king however.

Also - I HAVE a blu-ray player, AND vista. In order for that blu-ray player to work I HAD to buy extra software (be it cyberlink powerdvd, Windvd, or Nero) But that was NOT included in the $400 price tag as you misled down there. Also, the lack of support for HDMI is not software as you imply, but hardware. Apple does not want to pay out the licensing fees for HDMI, hence the royalty-free Display Port.

You just need to chill on the anti-mac, and look for the legitimate reasons to not want the crap.

1. Cost: Mac IS more expensive. That is a fact, I do not want to pay $100,000 for a computer just because it looks cool(that number is an exaggeration - I know this)

2. Off standard. Look guys, the Mac IS a PC, in the sense that they share the same core architecture these days. The problem, of course, lies in the BIOS, We (pc uers) use a good ol BIOS from back in the day, and mac has that new fancy thing of thier. (Open Firmware - or what ever they are calling it these days) This is preventing 100% compatability, this is a rather simple thing to fix in the end, and should have been done by now.

3. Choices. Look guys, like the next guy I like something different that the guy before me. I like the glossy, textured look inside my laptop, with a friggin sweet design on the outside, and some kick A$$ lights on the side and keyboard. Asus does this for me, and I am happy. Macs are kinda like - well, you get aluminum, or aluminum... it would be nice to have options.

4. Choice of hardware. I went to the mac site, and looked at the desktops. If you go for a Mac pro - you get 2 quad core Xenons, with the Imac a Core 2 duo. Where is the middle? Where are the C2Quads? or the i7? or how about an Opteron - which are PROVEN to be MUCH faster than Xenon in EVERY test!? For that matter a Core i7 will perform quite similarly as the Xenons and save electricity, money, and be easier to cool. There is too much here... I like choices, Apple does not.

after all that, there are 2 reasons I am considering a MBP for the next laptop. First, they have a solid construction, both physically and component wise. There is something to be said for an Aluminum body and Nvidia graphics (not the integrated kind either). Second, it will run ANY OS I can think of, I could (concievebly) tri boot OSX/Linux/Win 7 and be Very happy.

[GetReal]

"I can't see how any reasonable person would see that as an attack on pcs."





Consider: attack or comment, doubtful many readers of a WINDOWS article are very interested in apple experiences!

[artzy65]

When has the cheapest product ever been the best?

Btw, have you ever owned a mac?

[Cyborg2012]

Hell yeah! dude, "sefari" is not a english word. But I can install spell checker Add-on in IE8

[artzy65]

Right... invective-spewing mac flamers don't want to read about positive mac user experiences because they are too pc-centric to even pay attention (the same goes for pc flamers from the mac community... so hold your fire pc boyz).

But I've read a couple of posts in which knowledgeable windows users will allow that macs are good computers... often they have been 'hands on' with both systems and can speak intelligently on the subject.

Re your crack about pc users not being interested in mac user experiences... my original post was in response to someone who wondered if mac peripherals had to be apple-built. That person now knows that this is not the case. If you not wish to know that, then don't waste your time reading about it. This thread is about macs too, otherwise exactly what is it that pcs are being compared to?

Information is not necessarily knowledge, and knowledge is not necessarily wisdom

[Cyborg2012]

120MB hard drive ???

[Cyborg2012]

I totally agree with you "kitsune17717" yes 99% of the Mac software are built under the same roof. There are so many software and hardware vendors out there who make

things targeting a Windows PC. There are may be some little bugs on 'em which crashes the whole system. Plus there is freedom of using your PC. What I mean is you can

edit your Registry, do some smart tweaks you can even change your Login screen in Windows 7 without any third party tools. Which you can't get in Mac. In other words you

have to deal with the same old Maccy UI.

[WinTard]

artzy65 said:

I hear you re apple's stone-age days, although I only go as far back as Quadra 610. A lot of troubleshooting in those days... I had to completely reinstall my OS (7.5 and 8.1) every 3-4 months (I had 2 small hard drives for a total of 750MB) because it became so corrupted on a regular basis. And one of my most-used books was 'Sad Macs, Bombs and Other Disasters'. But I've got to say that OSX is a completely different breed of cat (pun intended).... a quantum leap forward in elegance, functionality and reliability (as compared to pre-OSX).

I'm just saying...

I appreciate what you have to say artzy65, as you deliver the pros/cons in an unbiased way. Let's face it, nothing is perfect.

In a similar vein, I'd like to convey that Windows 7 might be to the generic PC what OS X is to the Mac PC. All my testing with the various betas have been absolutely outstanding, never did the OS crash once. And it ran absolutely everything I had, 32-bit, under a 64-bit OS. Zero full-64 bit driver issues. Didn't have to look manually for a single one. Everything loaded automatically and flawlessly.

As well, now that Windows 7 Ultimate/Enterprise includes a full XP-SP3 copy, for free, with seamless virtualization, that takes care of any potential non-compatibility for existing XP users.

I would say that Windows 7 is a quantum-leap from the other versions of Windows... More efficient, full 64-bit, complete compatibility, loads of security improvements, better UAC, what else can I say? Oh, and the Release Candidate is available to anyone for free to download starting tomorrow, May 5th 2009, and the beta is good till at least February 2010.

I think it deserves a try for those curious, and no risks... Why not? Even on your Mac.

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Better late than never.

[Foxylady48180]

Sounds from what you have said that Window7 is going to really be the ticket. I don't think I would get the version you mentioned as I wouldn't need all that. Have no idea at all how to install it but I know that the "upgrad" is OUT; will "clean install" or nothing!! Have no idea how th do that , yet, but life is a learning experience.

[Evildave]

I'd call that 'same old Maccy UI' something else: CONSISTENT.

One of the fundamental things that ticked me off about Vista was that they took everything I was used to from XP (and 2000 and NT4) and scrambled it. I doubt they put anything BACK for Windoze 7.

Was there really any reason to make an easter egg hunt out of all of the system interfaces?

Nope. They just wanted it to be 'different'.

If you want something 'different' on the Mac, install X on the Mac and use Gnome, KDE, or one of the other various GUIs available for POSIX compliant platforms. When you have that, you can run just about any open source software built for Linux, AND have a Mac that can run all of the commercial software made for the Mac. It'll work infinitely better than CYGWIN.

http://www.finkproject.org/

Or hey, download a Linux ISO and run that for the OS. It'll work fine on either machine. Maybe blow your mind with Compiz.

[artzy65]

Thanks for the info... I HOPE Win 7 will be to pcs what OSX is to mac! We will all benefit since apple will have to keep pushing to stay in the same ballpark as win and vice-versa.

Re me going with windows... my most up-to-date macs are G4s: that is, PowerPC architecture. I'd need an intel mac. I really don't need one since I can run adobe CS4 on my G4s, and that software is my main focus right now... I just entered the modern mac era last year and as such remain several versions behind in photoshop, illustrator etc.

[dragon69]

win xp will only work on some 60 to 70% of intel cpus ( the ones that support VT) and most AMD cpus



good luck artzy65 in your goals

as win 7 seems to be the fix for all the vista woes ( you will need a windows live account to down load it and i will be downloaded both the 32 bit and 64 bit if possible)

[TechieXP]

Hmmm...

MSFT had a variant of Unix once...and it was the 3rd best...they create their version for teh one Bell Labs had. Inix has very good processor and memory management I am sure. I am sure when MSFT was designing NT they could have used some ideas from there. But I am not stating that as fact.

However I get ya.

As far as HDMI...Apple doesn't have to license it. They can simply used video cards that already have an onboard option. I just purchased 2 Radeon 4670's which are DirectX 10/CrossfireX and they came with HDMI. There are a lot od comapnies who can give you more than they do. They simply don't. Example...Look how fast PC have pased consoles in power....don't you think consoles should be more powerful than they are now?

If they only feed you a little, they will always keep you interested. Its like wanting to force the demand to insure they get paid when they make the move. Maybe its just me. PC hardware has been around long enough...for them to know what people like.

Good Luck with the MBP. I had a taste for Air once. I decided to get a Asus with teh pretty lights you spoke of.

[TechieXP]

that's not true. Because I have learned quite a bit from what people have said and since we have a few Macs at our office I plan to try a few new things just to se what teh experience is like to be able to do other things. Like i am going to install Parallels and see it for myself.

We just simply hate everyone pouncing on MSFT at every turn possible. I just see it...as if Macs fans can't take it...son't dish it to PC fans. Its like Cub fans always bashing Sox fans saying the CUbs are better. Really? 100 years and the Cubs have no rings...and the Sox have 2...