[TechieXP]

I know this post is a bit old.

My system uses DDR2 ram by default. However I have overclocked to 3.6Ghz with my 1066 ram running at 1333. The CPU I am using is the Intel Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz native. And I did ot using the standard cooler...I did update later to the ThermalTake V1...but not to overclock or bec of any cooling problems. I simply liked the cool as it matched by copper pipping on my motherboard. The Asus P5K Deluxe WiFi.

I actually like the 4670's. The 4770's obviously would bet a bit better. But I have DDR4 ram...I am not sure if all MFR's that use ATI chips and make Radeon cards are always exactly alke. However I have found that if you don't buy an actual card from ATI, Sapphire makes a near perfect solution vs others.

[dragon69]

no not all quads have the VT stay away from the 8000 series ( Q8200/8200S/8300/8400/8400S
NO ) for desktop cpus



also if you have a quad core cpu you should be able to lock 1 or 2 cores just for the VT ( I only have a dual core and can use "set affinity" in the task manager to lock one core ontocertain processes so you should be able to use it in a quad core to lock 1 or 2 cores just for VT)

just open task mamager and select the process tab and then right click the VT process and select set affinity ( on mine it just gives the choice between cpu 1 and cpu 2 but on a quad it should give you the choice of any of your four cores weather it be 1 core or two or three or all four)

[TechieXP]

I tried Fusion on the Mac and was trying to compare it with thhe PC version VMware. I too like being able to load up another Windows install, like when I need to check something out. But when I need to use the actual hardware, you just can't beat run it native. Even if I was running it on a system with lots of cpus and ram...I would still rather run it native...even if I have to reboot.

But I don't disagree with you. And it is good we both have that as an option.

[SalemCat]

The Apple Commercials are quite telling. Apple is targeting people who are afraid of PC's (Personal Computers).
Apples are for people who want an Appliance; something that just plugs in and beeps.


How BORING is that ?!

[WinTard]

Here's to you TechieXP and your 888th post! Cheers my friend! :x

[staraffinity]

I know this is now an old thread but... Oh my, since the Internet came a long one can truly see how many narrow minded beings are inhabiting this planet.
People just type things like what they say is 100% true when it's simply 100% incorrect. If you are talking about something that you don't have proper insight into, why not use a more humble approach and include worlds like ?my opinion? and ?I think this is the case, but I'm not sure??

A perfect example of this are the replies to this article (and the one about why one should by a Mac instead of a PC too for that matter).
I know there is ?narrowmindness? in the ?Mac? camp too, but I definitely think the Apple bashers are the worst of the two.

[artzy65]

"If you are talking about something that you don't have proper insight into, why not use a more humble approach and include worlds like ?my opinion? and ?I think this is the case, but I'm not sure?
I agree, but unfortunately a lot of posters (from both camps) think they are sure...

"A perfect example of this are the replies to this article (and the one about why one should by a Mac instead of a PC too for that matter). I'm know there is ?narrowmindness? in the ?Mac? camp too, but I definitely think the Apple bashers are the worst of the two".
A number of posters around here seem to have a pathological hatred for all things apple.

Very insightful, staraffinity... but watch out, you are going to get flamed!

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[SalemCat]

"artzy65" states some posters here have a "pathological hatred" of all things Apple.
Not me. I don't hate Apple Polishers. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
It would be more accurate to say I'm frightened by them. They are modern Luddites. Very few Apple Polishers know much about Technology of any sort. Instead, they are strongly inflluenced by their Peers, and by what they feel is "Kewl."
The Quest for "Kewl" has replaced Rational Thought in America's Youth, and America's Schools, and this is killing us all.

[Grr8008]

One reason your next computer should be a PC: All computers used for personal uses are PCs. PC=Personal Computer. :)

[SalemCat]

"Grr8008" is Exactly Right.

However, Apple Marketers, who are exceedingly clever, understand their target: Dumbed-Down Americans that yearn to be accepted by their peers, and will heartily embrace the most absurd nonsense if the pitchman is perceived as being "Kewl".



(The way things are going I don't know if I'm being satirical - or prophetic).
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[VHMP01]

Words of wisdom SalemCat!
Wisdom should prevail!
Anyway, buying a Mac feeds the PC industry by ending up buying PC parts, thanks on the hardware part.
It also is a way to make silly buyers spend money on a product anybody can get for free as in an Open Source OS. Rotten Apple charges for OSX based on Open Source, and dears to lock it up, the Open source community won’t be happy, and silly Mac buyers are losing money. Thanks on the Software part.
With Palm’s Pre, Sony-Ericson’s 12.1 Megapixels camera phone, Iphone is losing it!
In between they have music, and there are a lot of better choices here!
This crap won’t last long, Wisdom shall prevail!
You can fool some people sometimes, but not all people all the time!

[Nanchatte]

It's late so IAIA for the great deal scorn which I'm going to pour over these two poor readers and commentards.

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However, Apple Marketers, who are exceedingly clever, understand their target: Dumbed-Down Americans that yearn to be accepted by their peers, and will heartily embrace the most absurd nonsense if the pitchman is perceived as being "Kewl".

And a great many professionals who can't be asked to mess around with the registry, update his scanners, get "genuinely authenticated" and at the end of the day don't want to bite their nails over stupid little details like which of the six editions of vista to buy and end up with a subset of all the functions available unless one goes ultimate.

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(The way things are going I don't know if I'm being satirical - or prophetic).

Or just plain wrong.
So, how are things going?


VHMP01 babbled:

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Words of wisdom SalemCat!

wrong.

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It also is a way to make silly buyers spend money on a product anybody can get for free as in an Open Source OS. Rotten Apple charges for OSX based on Open Source, and dears to lock it up, the Open source community won’t be happy, and silly Mac buyers are losing money. Thanks on the Software part.Anyone can get for free as in an Open Source OS?

You're mistaking Unix for Linux or Free BSD. There are plenty of paid Unix based OSes out there which are all highly regarded in their limited fields. Remember that Linux was a reverse engineered Unix.


Show me another open source OS which is as easy to use as Mac OS X, but more importantly, which has the gamut of quality apps that I actually need.


There are only two real OSes out there for the majority of professionals not specifically in the IT business, Windows and Mac OS.
Dares to lock it up? Even Red Hat charges for supporting services. They have to charge in order to survive. Not everyone is a student you know.

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With Palm’s Pre, Sony-Ericson’s 12.1 Megapixels camera phone, Iphone is losing it!

Come and talk to me again in 6 months time.


In between they have music, and there are a lot of better choices here!


Ah yes, like the Zune.


This crap won’t last long, Wisdom shall prevail!


Yes, Windows is going to disappear in the next few years under a wave (oh look, there's a natural resource word, I must be an Apple user) of Linux installations.


Oh, btw, did you see the NetApp stats that after a little over a year, the OS share for iphone's is over 60% that of Linux? (globally 0.6%) How long's linux been around?


If PC users are "normal people" and Mac users are the eternal tree hugging hippies then I think Linux users are the old men, once managers at banks or other financial corporations who sit around Ueno park on doubled up cardboard boxes, sipping from cans of cheapskate sake and talking about "what might have been" with a tear in their eye.


You can fool some people sometimes, but not all people all the time!


You're not fooling me, and that's all that counts.Once again, I'm really sorry about the tone of this post... But at 2:45 in the morning, this obviously troll sparked flamebait was just too good to miss.
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[artzy65]

"Once again, I'm really sorry about the tone of this post... But at 2:45 in the morning, this obviously troll sparked flamebait was just too good to miss".
Best to ignore trollers... they're lonely and just want attention

[SalemCat]

It's time to present "Nanchatte" with the old "Coup de Grace."





#1 In 1997 MicroSoft bailed-out Apple to the tune of $150 Million just to keep them in business, to avoid the Government suing MicroSoft as a Monopoly.


#2 Rush Limbaugh absolutely ADORES Apple Products. He does not own a "PC", and never will.

Actually, I think "Nanchatte" is just messing with us. Apple users just sit back and watch their pretty boxes beep; they NEVER visit Technical Forums. Being "Nerdy" is not their "Thang".

(PS As an old MS hack, I admire Linux users a whole lot. Young, or Old, they are the most Technical among us. I may someday be courageous enough to try it. I just wish they'd pronounce the damn OS as LIE-NUSS, like Charlie Brown's friend. )
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[Nanchatte]

>It's time to present "Nanchatte" with the old "Coup de Grace."

Hmm... I think you've just had a "touche" moment! ;-)

>#1 In 1997 MicroSoft bailed-out Apple to the tune of $150 Million just to keep them in business, to avoid the Government suing MicroSoft as a Monopoly.

And? Point being?

>#2 Rush Limbaugh absolutely ADORES Apple Products. He does not own a "PC", and never will.

Ah. that'll be the coop duh grass then ;-) There no minimum IQ requirement for using a Mac, that would be unethical to people like him ;-)

>Actually, I think "Nanchatte" is just messing with us. Apple users just sit back and watch their pretty boxes beep; they NEVER visit Technical Forums. Being "Nerdy" is not their "Thang".

Yes, I am messing a bit, really. Because it was 2:45 in the morning after a really long day, nothing like kicking back with a glass of beer and laughing at all the comments. (As I tried to prewarn people before the post).

(PS As an old MS hack, I admire Linux users a whole lot. Young, or Old, they are the most Technical among us. I may someday be courageous enough to try it.)

I totally agree. I had the pleasure of working with a Linux fiend at my last company. He managed to crowbar linux onto practically everything digital he owned except his watch. The interconnectivity he achieved was astounding... Get this... When somebody pressed his doorbell at home, it would chime his computer AT WORK and via web cam, he could answer the door remotely and see who was there! Pure awesome.

Actually, you might be surprised, recent Ubuntu and even the old guard of Debian, Red Hat et al are really not that technically daunting any more, with the proviso that you use supported parts (a bit of investigation goes a long way).

I have a little debian box as my backup server (Linux is the puppy's privates for that.) that I just had to reboot for a kernel upgrade (new driver required) recently. It was running on an old laptop and I realised I hadn't rebooted it since 2005. Now that's stable!

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(I just wish they'd pronounce the damn OS as LIE-NUSS, like Charlie Brown's friend. )

hehe! nice one!
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[VHMP01]

“Show me another open source OS which is as easy to use as Mac OS X”… Ubuntu 8.04.

“Come and talk to me again in 6 months time”… 6 days and it is happening.

“Ah yes, like the Zune”… More like Amazon. Music I said, not MP3 Players.

And you Nanchatte did not answer anything to the Hardware being PC parts did you? A Hardware Company that does not make Hardware and of course feeds the PC industry (Intel Processor, Toshiba Hard Drives, ATI Graphic Cards, Sony Blue Ray Players, etc.)

And ‘No’, I am not mistaking Unix for Linux… Coming out of Stanford University you know:

THE OS-X LINUX CONNECTION:

http://ccrma.stanfor...crma/OS_X.html]

"Mac OS X nowadays is based on Darwin and chunks of existing open source software from a large number of sources like BSD, GNU, Mach, ...AND EVEN LINUX"…

[http://www.stanford.edu

[rasmasyean]

The Sims 3 sucks on Macs. Everyone who got that game boot camps it!
That's the latest biggest disappointment in the biggest title ever on the Mac platform!
That's enuff reason to go PC!

[Evildave]

'The Sims' sucks on any platform. Use Linux. They didn't make 'The Sims' for it.

[Nanchatte]

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?Show me another open source OS which is as easy to use as Mac OS X?? Ubuntu 8.04.

Ah, so you read my subsequent post and agreed then. Cool.
yes, it is reasonably easy to use and you no longer need to edit config files or any technical knowhow such as the maximum horizontal scan rate of your monitor just to configure X, but its still not as "no fuss" and easy to use for the layperson...

For example, the help files are ad-hoc and of varying quality (although much better these days) the interface is inconsistent from preinstalled app to preinstalled app (due to different designers etc). There is still a tendency to revert to jingo: And while "Configure Compiz Fusion: Maximum eye candy (slow), Balanced (medium) or Disabled (fast)" is obvious to us, my mother tends to struggle with this sort of thing.


>"Come and talk to me again in 6 months time?? 6 days and it is happening.


What? The iPhone is gonna be gone in six days... I better rush to the shops now and secure mine then, hadn't I?


>?Ah yes, like the Zune?? More like Amazon. Music I said, not MP3 Players.


Nice try, but separating the music from the player from the client in the case of iTunes Music / iTunes Store / iPod is why none of the the other companies have managed to achieve their level of success. They try to micromanage and optimise each part of the operation without realising that a lot of customers don't want ultimate choice nor do they need ultimate efficiency in every aspect of their lives. Both the "the sheep" as they are often called, and really busy people who have far more important things to do just want something that works out of the box, no fuss, no long serials, no

"WARNING: Cancelling this procedure could completely hose your computer! Are you absolutely sure you want to Cancel? [Yes] [Cancel]." dialogue boxes.

It's the streamlined online store as much as the music selection, as much as the technical prowess of the player that has defined their success.

Personally, I find the whole "it's the iPod way or the highway" level of control stifling and would rather drag and drop my beautifully organised library with its immaculate metadata, folder by folder onto it... But millions disagree with me.

It's the "whole widget" that makes customers naturally feel very comfortable... Something which ironically, Microsoft, despite their strong market position never quite got and frankly don't need to get. Apple Users tend to be the ones who've made a conscious choice to choose Apple (generally no other reason to, other than preference), where as MS users tend to have used MS all or most of their life out of need (gamers), necessity (office workers) or a total lack of need to move elsewhere (average users). Linux users tend to be the Tweakers and the breakers, the fixers and the software makers, who love the ultimate freedom of having a system they truly own at the behest of virtually nobody. (except for perhaps ATI and NVIDIA for their proprietary drivers)


>And you Nanchatte did not answer anything to the Hardware being PC parts did you? A Hardware Company that does not make Hardware and of course feeds the PC industry (Intel Processor, Toshiba Hard Drives, ATI Graphic Cards, Sony Blue Ray Players, etc.)


Me Nanchatte, You Jane. I only answer the bits that are coherently written enough to understand. ;-)
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>>Anyway, buying a Mac feeds the PC industry by ending up buying PC parts, thanks on the hardware part.


I don't see what has this got to do with selecting a PC over a Mac. Macs help sell PCs? Macs are fed to PCs... OK, OK, I admit it, I haven't the faintest what you're on about here. Although, I think you'll find that both the Macs and Windows Boxes are in the PC industry because they are both personal computers.


And I have yet to use a Windows box which is as slick as the 24" aluminium iMac. Except of course a 24" aluminium iMac running Windows.

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And `No?, I am not mistaking Unix for Linux? Coming out of Stanford University you know:

>THE OS-X LINUX CONNECTION:
>http://ccrma.stanfor...ccrma/OS_X.html
>"Mac OS X nowadays is based on Darwin and chunks of existing open source software from a large number of sources like BSD, GNU, Mach, ...AND EVEN LINUX"?
>http://www.stanford.edu

Well of course it gets some of its software from the open source market and of course most Unixes can share source code and software, that was the point of the "compatible" bit. Yes, Apple have been criticised for their lack of enthusiasm for returning code to the open source pool, a move which I feel is selfish and short sighted, but that's a chat for another thread.

I'm really sorry, but you'll have to explain that last bit...
Coming out of Stanford University I know what?
Why have you hyperlinked to Stanford Edu's home page was it made on Linux or something?

I'm sorry, I'm feeling my age, I can't follow your logic.

[Nanchatte]

ROFL.

Stopped playing Sim* after Sim City 2000, where they sort of lost the plot and created gems like "sim paint drying" and "sim lawn"