[waldojim]

HEY! I know that Thermaltake V1! that is sitting in the machine I built for my brother. Very nice!

Good lookin rig you got there.

[waldojim]

who claimed linux as being 16bit? I missed that one.... oh well

As to the CLI being used for servers, many servers are now using X remote connections, as it is easy to remote. X by nature is a network protocol GUI. Which is great! It is also one reason more reason to use Linux/Unix in an enterprise environment: use ANY sun/Linux station in the building and remote into the server as needed. You still get a full gui! I happen to like the idea of a gui, if for no other reason than the ability to multitask remotely. That is the downside to CLI, it really is not a multitasking envrionment.

[bbvammy]

Some people build cars.

Some people drive cars.

When the engine lights on, the person who drive cars will stop and pay me big bucks. ]:)

[Evildave]

When someone likens Linux to Win98/DOS, that's what they're saying.
DOS was never 32 bits. When Win95/98/ME booted (as well as 3.1, and
earlier), they were in 16 bit mode DOS before they went into Windoze
and loaded up the 32 bit drivers.

Sure CLI is multitasking.

Add a '&' to the end of the command, it runs in the background.

So you can type: make &

... and then do something else.

You can monitor the jobs with 'jobs' or 'ps'.

You can kill the tasks you don't want, even do nasty, evil things like this:

ps |sed -n 's/^[ ]([0-9]).*myappname/1/p'|xargs -L1 kill

Which is to say, list my jobs, match anything named 'myappname', and use kill to kill whatever matching processes you find.

Super handy when you launch a swarm of clients (also using a script) to beat on a poor defenseless server that you're testing. Naturally that whole swarm of clients was launched with a script, too. Who'd double-click a bajillion things over and over again when they could let the computer do the clickin'?

[TechieXP]

Thanks...

I built it in 2006 just for Vista at a cost of $3000 including the 42" TV and 5.1 LG Surround system. The computer to this day, has cost me just under $1500 which include some recent upgrades. I started off with Radeon x1650's and just moved up to 2 x 4670's and 8GB of 1066 ram. But I just had to send the ram back to newegg because I couldn't get it to run at native speed. I had Kingston's Hyper-X, but I contacted G.Skill and they said I should do better with theirs. If not I'll try OCZ...they were just more then I wanted to spend. But its nice to have options.

The coolest thing I can say about Linux...is I can build my own box for it just like with Windows. As long as that remain an option those are the only OS' I will EVER use.

[waldojim]

TechieXP said:

Thanks...

The coolest thing I can say about Linux...is I can build my own box for it just like with Windows. As long as that remain an option those are the only OS' I will EVER use.

agreed. That is the most important part, everything else is just gravy!

[innercr]

You forgot to mention the following reasons: Reason #8: Most printers don't work under Linux and everyone knows it.
Reason #9: Network sharing under Samba is about half-baked. Vista and Linux don't play well together at all

[GetReal]

@innercr, Internet Ok, but Vista doesn't network even hardly at all, possibly excepting only another Vista, it has to be diddled & forced even with Xp, etc.

Fortunately, Win-7 seems much better so far.

[TechieXP]

What type of networking problem? Vista still has teh standard IP Protocols that ALL OS's ave so they can communicate. Vista also includes some newer versions of them as well..but I simply don't use them. I totally remove the as most won't ever use them unless as you said network 2 Vista systems or Windows Server 2008.

I found in my experience when networking...is to hardcode IP Addresses and don't use DHCP..eve if you use a router.

[innercr]

The solution that you describe calls for bypassing any given router's DHCP server (disabling it), however there's a little caveat when it comes to certain ISP providers such as Verizon FiOS for instance. Verizon absolutely insists on having their router be the first device on the network with DHCP enabled. Why, you would ask? Because their network reads a specific MAC address that corresponds to a specific account. How do you forward a MAC address, might I ask? Anyhow, my comment regarding Samba, Telnet, and other stuff was made to outline the challenges that a typical user would encounter. Forget about asking your average user to try to set it up on their home network. This is the reason why networking Linux and Windows is not, to say the least polished..

[Evildave]

8: Shop for a Linux compatible printer. Not Linux's fault that manufacturers are so narrowly focused on Windoze/MAC that they can't recompile the Mac CUPS driver. Also blame the federal government for mandating that printers can't print patterns like dollar bills, making commercial drivers substantially more complex and expensive to develop.

9. Not Linux's fault, either. SAMBA works. Some people don't know how to configure it when they get a version without an easy setup for it like Ubuntu has. Micro$uck changes their own, proprietary SMB protocol as often as possible explicitly to keep Linux servers from working with their latest OS offerings. It should also be noted that most (if not all) inexpensive NAS solutions use a Linux kernel. If Linux didn't have solid SMB support, none of these appliances would work.

Windoze 2000 machines don't play nice with XP/Vista shares, either for this reason. Gotta keep the clueless tools paying to upgrade their Windoze server licenses, and paying PER SEAT for the privilege.
http://www.microsoft...us/pricing.aspx

[bbvammy]

8. My printer ( HP Photosmart C4150 All-in-One ) work very well with my Ubuntu. ]:)

[GetReal]

@techieXp: Don't know from DCHP but I have/had Vista home premium & Vista business (later downgraded the premium back to Xp). Out of the box neither would network with any other of my four computer. Finally, after hours on the internet someone suggested to me fixed IP address's & how to do it, plus various other suggestions. Finally got only the business version working/connecting with one computer running Xp and the other computer running Vista premium>>>IF I initiated any activity only from that one Vista computer. Neither computer running Xp, one running 2000 and the Vista home premium could ever initiate a successful connection back to Vista Business, even though I tried fixed IP address on various other machines, etc. (Between 98se, 2000 & Xp, I have had various computers home networked since probably around 2000 or 2001 with only limited or no setup problems).

Apparant here, I am not that knowledgable of networking >>> probably typical of most home users though. Yet when I recently installed Win-7 RC & finally got it working, it was immediately apparant and connecting full service to all other computer and OS's on my home network>>>I did not do anything so far as I am aware, to aid these connections. So. ???? For most people I think my efforts would have resulted in either abandonment or trips to the geek squad. NOT one of MS's best foot forward experiences. From this I can easily understand peoples comments about networking to other systems.

[Evildave]

Actually, so does my Broither MFC printer. I loathe inkjet printer, but I never had a bad Brother laser printer. Brother has Linux drivers for EVERYTHING that they make. So the printer, scanner, etc. all work.

Oh, and instead of coming on a CD with a bunch of semi-functional bundleware that eats a gigabyte of space on the hard disk, it simply integrates into CUPS and SANE, so the drivers are tiny.

Not that you can't install 'just the drivers' for most printers in Windoze, and it's the same kind of 'punishment' finding the driver and installing it. Which is to say, follow a checklist off a web page and start using it when you're done.

[WinTard]

Pffftt! Anyone can spoof any mac address.... It's done at the router firmware level.

I never use the crapola providers 'suggest'. I only use pure TCP/IP.

The OS has nothing to do with TCP/IP. Which is independent of the OS...

Oh, you mean the subscriber MAC address? So???

If you are getting connectivity, that's it, that's all. The rest is mere FUD and BS.

LOL, I'm behind three ISP's at home. Load balancing routers, routing into individual routers each attached to their respective cable/dsl Subscriber Modems... And three wi-fi N routers. Hmm, let me count. That is eight routers in total (for now). None is OS related... Just for fun!

You should see what's at work...

[rasmasyean]

Why should Vista behave exactly like XP just to save you a learning experience. What's the point of making something "new" if it's going to be exactly like legacy stuff??? If you're going to make some networking Frankenstein that was never meant for "plug and play", you got yourself into something that you need to be prepared for. Simple as that.

As for Linux printer drivers, it IS Linux's fault for not being good enough after all these years that barely anyone uses it for desktops. So why should Lexmark devote resources for potential sales of like 10 printers total to Linux users? If Ubuntu wants to become a big gun in mainstream computing, they need to find some way to get the penetration. Unfortunately, it's not good enough! Open source doesn't work well enough to put Linux in people's homes...or offices for that matter. Notice that the only thing people associate with Linux mostly is still applications where it doesn't do anything put process data. Garbage in, garbage out! It's a cheap Unix. Get a clue! It's somewhere out of site where some guru in the basement maintains it. That's Linux. Ubuntu is a noteworthy, but failed effort to get "cheap" computing to developing nations. In reality, they don't care about licensing and will steal Windows instead in 99% of the cases (perhaps unless they are trying to become a priest).

And governments even prefer to pay a little extra for nerfed Windows XP on XO OLPC's because they want to prepare their kids for world class jobs instead of giving them a bunch of toys. And soon, when new chips come out, it will be designed for Window 7 versions for netbooks!

If you like Ubuntu that is fine for you.

[Evildave]

rasmasyean said:

As for Linux printer drivers, it IS Linux's fault for not being good enough after all these years that barely anyone uses it for desktops. So why should Lexmark devote resources for potential sales of like 10 printers total to Linux users? If Ubuntu wants to become a big gun in mainstream computing, they need to find some way to get the penetration.

Lexmark appears to support Linux for many of their printers that aren't the kind you throw away when the ink runs out.

http://search.lexmar...rue&query=LinuxCompatiblePrinter&isoctry=US&isolang=en

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Unfortunately, it's not good enough! Open source doesn't work well enough to put Linux in people's homes...or offices for that matter. Notice that the only thing people associate with Linux mostly is still applications where it doesn't do anything put process data. Garbage in, garbage out! It's a cheap Unix. Get a clue! It's somewhere out of site where some guru in the basement maintains it. That's Linux. Ubuntu is a noteworthy, but failed effort to get "cheap" computing to developing nations. In reality, they don't care about licensing and will steal Windows instead in 99% of the cases (perhaps unless they are trying to become a priest).

Ahh, so we're hearing from someone who has never in fact run any form of Linux in his life.

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And governments even prefer to pay a little extra for nerfed Windows XP on XO OLPC's because they want to prepare their kids for world class jobs instead of giving them a bunch of toys. And soon, when new chips come out, it will be designed for Window 7 versions for netbooks!

Nah, third world governments are corrupt in ways that make congress look downright pious, and Micro$oft is all about giving kickbacks for big orders.

[TechieXP]

I haven't had a problem networking Windows 2000 to XP or Vista.

Again make sure you're using the same IP Protocol. Vista has 2 IP Protocols. One says IP v6 the other says IP v4 (this is in the properties of your systems network cards IP v4 in Vista is the original standard IP Protocol that you find in XP and 2000. Here are other things to check.

Not sure how your network is setup. If you are using a router from an ISP which I think you are from other comments, it get a bit trickier to set things up...
However, start here first...
Right click on My Computer (xp/2k) or Computer (Vista) go to properties. Go to Advance System Settings (Vista) or System Properties XP/2K. The tab for Computer Name..all computer names MUST MATCH on each system. If they don't change them so that they all match Ten reboot where needed.

Once you have them all back up...hardcode each IP. All IP address must be in the same family...here are your choices...

192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.256 - the last number can be any number from 1 - 256
http://en.wikipedia....Private_network - Look here for other details on IP Address ranges you can use.
The subnet address needs to be 255.255.255.0 on each computer ( this is the spaces under the ip address)

Once you hook these machines up to your router if you are using that...make sure you go into teh routers setting and manually add the addresses of each pc to the router. Some routers are fussy when you hard code IP. I have found Linksys is easiest to work with However if your router is provided by your ISP then look up your router to see how to make changes. If the router is an issue there is a way around it. It would however require a second network card and a network hub. (will come back to that)

The router should notice teh computers you hooked up and use the IP addresses they already have. So check before making changes to the router.
The shares are even trickier. You can just simply share a drive in Windows 2000.

Follow these steps...I am not sure what system you have teh shares on...but it shouldn't matter as it is similar in ALL versions of NT based Windows.
Right click on the folder or drive you want to share, choose Share. On that tab go where it says Advanced Settings...Check the box to share folder/drive (Vista) and give the share a name in the space below. Make sure to set any permissions. I also suggest going to the system management console...the quickest way there in Vista is to type this in the search box - "compmgmt.msc" no quotes (use the run command in XP/2K. For the computer that has the shares, add each users name in the Local Users and Groups (you don't have to do it...but could help).

Try browsing your create network from the PC that has the shares first. If it is set up correctly you should see any share folders/drives when you browse that pc through the Network. Then go to your net system and see if you can see the shares. if not, you can search for the IP Address from any XP/2K system.

If you still have problem then email be tjp1969@vzw.blackberry.net and I will text you my number so you can call and I will walk you through what I can.

[TechieXP]

I am curious to know if you are able to use ALL the features of your all in one with Linux? Like can you scan through Linux? Or fax. I can make any printer print in any OS just using a generic HP driver that works with practically any printer.

[GetReal]

TechieXp thanks a big bunch for the info & offer! I can't get started on this today >>> Sunday commitments, but expect to do so early in the week. If I hit a snag (likely) I will email you. I have printed out your message for reference.

As background info, my network setup is this: Starting with a Westell DSL modem from my IP, that goes to one port of a Netgear 8 port hub. Four dual-boot desktop computers are then connected to 4 ports on the Netgear. Then a HP network printer and a network hard-disk to 2 more ports. Finally a Linksys wireless router for my netbooks is connected to the last available port on the Netgear (default config). This has been my basic home network for years, an even earlier version was the same config. except used a 4-port Netgear and no wireless. With this I have had very little to no troubles connecting whatever >>> until Vista! Anyway, the wireless is a post Vista addition and has had no noticable impact on Vista connectivity (Vista computer is/was/still a mess). All harddisk partitions are usually "read only" shared on all computers excepting three OS and network HD that are "read-Write-change." All computers have either McAfee or PC-Cillin antiviris & network security software (and this software has always been the source of problems whenever I previously had any).