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>Stop flawed testing and use ofbBeta's for testing!
You started off well enough with a fat-free statement that I'm sure will ring true with many readers here.
But then you started to demonstrate why you included "jabber" in your screen name by making the following rather odd statement:
>This is same tactics mactards always use to promote thier screwed up, non thinking, must conform, little word with no collaboration or real innovation!
Please do explain how this and the next irrelevant bits of trolling "what the little word [sic] with no collaboration or real innovation! means" is adding to a discussion on Vista vs. W7 in coherent sentences and with whom are you are comparing.
>Apple = packed rebellion = meaningless and useless to everyone.
Except, of course, the millions of businesses and private individuals who are happily using them ;-)
In order to keep this post brief, I'll just quote the first half of what someone wiser than me once said:
"If you've got nothing to say..."
Speed Test: Windows 7 May Not Be Much Faster Than Vista
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 02:14 AM
Nanchatte said:
>lewac wrote:
>btw we don't see ubuntu 9.04 up there. hmmn... we wonder why not?
That'll be because the article is comparing Vista to Windows 7.
>btw we don't see ubuntu 9.04 up there. hmmn... we wonder why not?
That'll be because the article is comparing Vista to Windows 7.
I couldn't have said it better!
Me thinks: why do all the Ubuntu / Linux come in and try to hijack threads, instead of starting their own discussions about their topics of choice, and see the interest or responses it generates?
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 02:38 AM
Me
thinks: why do all the Ubuntu / Linux come in and try to hijack
threads, instead of starting their own discussions about their topics
of choice, and see the interest or responses it generates?
Because they don't bother to read the article, likely.
thinks: why do all the Ubuntu / Linux come in and try to hijack
threads, instead of starting their own discussions about their topics
of choice, and see the interest or responses it generates?
Because they don't bother to read the article, likely.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 07:16 AM
I am a 6 year old 700 HTZ, I will race you any time, and be done before you "boot up" what ever that is? I don't know what a bug, worm, or virus is or why you have to fix me every day. i don't need to backup, run protection or fix me software, and never got sick, ever in my life. I run, after my owner, wakes me from sleeping by touching any key of move my mouse, with all my programs running and ready to start work. my operating system is 6 years old too. BET you wont show up for the race! TRY ME, instead of running yourself----I DOUBLE DARE YOU! I M a E-MAC with a tiny brain and little memory and a wee disk. they stopped making me 5 years ago, but i will race you any time , anywhere, and i will even give you a head start, cause you will need it! Or you can race my latest BIG brother off the shelf for a fair race!
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 09:39 AM
I'll sighn up for the 6 yrs. old---that's it.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 10:06 PM
it is very difficult to find MAC owners that have issues with our system, as it is superior to any windows product since day one. window is so far behind in their copying MAC systems, and will never catch up. you pay more for a MAC because the system is worth any premium over windowed. so you get free hardware. Macs do not break down, and all the hardware is high quality, and reliable, thats why my 6 year old machine is worth half of its orginal price of $700 , based on actual prices paid on e-bay. i do not have to buy any fix me or virus protection either, so thats a savings, and does not reduce my speed.
If you want to increase your browser speed by getting free safari from APPLE, go to there website and try it. my friend said he compared it for speed and didnt see a differance from the new window (or admit to it), however, he only uses safari now. so i know safari is much faster and easy to use vs, explorer. or he would gone back to exploder and he doesnt get popup's or virus, anymore. i go to a local repair shop looking for Macs and asked if they repair them, yes, said the manager, but we never have them in for repair. And finally, prefer driving a Roll Royce rather than a model T.
If you want to increase your browser speed by getting free safari from APPLE, go to there website and try it. my friend said he compared it for speed and didnt see a differance from the new window (or admit to it), however, he only uses safari now. so i know safari is much faster and easy to use vs, explorer. or he would gone back to exploder and he doesnt get popup's or virus, anymore. i go to a local repair shop looking for Macs and asked if they repair them, yes, said the manager, but we never have them in for repair. And finally, prefer driving a Roll Royce rather than a model T.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 10:11 PM
Hey.
I'm a Mac user, but I very much agree with your perspective as I know ohers do here as well.
Whatever works for you is fine. The differences in "speed" are more often than not unnoticibale to the casual user.
That having been said, I do notice that my Windows PC does take a considerbaly longer time to boot up and open applications in comparison to my Mac.
I'm not trying to continue the Mac vs. PC debate. I'm just telling you and others what I experience.
It continues to startle
me that even Microsoft's CEO has often stated that Vista is a bomb,
that Vista users claim that it is the best OS in the universe.
Love your posts. Just saying hello again.
Funny.
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I'm a Mac user, but I very much agree with your perspective as I know ohers do here as well.
Whatever works for you is fine. The differences in "speed" are more often than not unnoticibale to the casual user.
That having been said, I do notice that my Windows PC does take a considerbaly longer time to boot up and open applications in comparison to my Mac.
I'm not trying to continue the Mac vs. PC debate. I'm just telling you and others what I experience.
It continues to startle
me that even Microsoft's CEO has often stated that Vista is a bomb,
that Vista users claim that it is the best OS in the universe.
Love your posts. Just saying hello again.
Funny.
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 03:44 AM
Nick,
Your article is obviously flawed in several ways. First, you're obviously biased to the Mac, so you lack the objectivity to present a unbiased and concise article on Windows 7. You're using a Mac in your daily use when you should be using a non-Apple made Windows PC to truely get the net effect of what Windows 7 is all about. We need a real and objective PC user to really tell us how Windows performs. As a Mac user, you're going to be biased against Windows. Sorry to tell the truth, but you're biased. You can't truely be fair to Microsoft or to Windows.
Second, you didn't test any of the network capabilities, bootup, shutdown, hard disk interaction, and many of the real world scenarios. I've always been somewhat unimpressed with WorldBench. Its a useless metric software not really measuring what counts. Nor did you bother to test the 64 bit version of Windows 7, the very same Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Edition which I've been testing for months now.
I can tell you from the one minute and 15 seconds that Vista boots up on my desktop to the 30 seconds Windows 7 takes to know a real world benchmark improvement. I can tell you from the full 2 minutes Vista takes to shut down to the mere 10 seconds Windows 7 shuts down what a real world benchmark improvement is. I can tell you from the responsiveness of applications within Windows that the OS is quicker. I can tell you by the speed in which I complete tasks that the new taskbar system is definitely a major improvement.
The sum gained from Windows 7 is more than any benchmark could test. Its something that millions of testers have come to the conclusion of based upon their experiences. Keep writing these biased articles and we'll expose them as frauds.
Your article is obviously flawed in several ways. First, you're obviously biased to the Mac, so you lack the objectivity to present a unbiased and concise article on Windows 7. You're using a Mac in your daily use when you should be using a non-Apple made Windows PC to truely get the net effect of what Windows 7 is all about. We need a real and objective PC user to really tell us how Windows performs. As a Mac user, you're going to be biased against Windows. Sorry to tell the truth, but you're biased. You can't truely be fair to Microsoft or to Windows.
Second, you didn't test any of the network capabilities, bootup, shutdown, hard disk interaction, and many of the real world scenarios. I've always been somewhat unimpressed with WorldBench. Its a useless metric software not really measuring what counts. Nor did you bother to test the 64 bit version of Windows 7, the very same Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Edition which I've been testing for months now.
I can tell you from the one minute and 15 seconds that Vista boots up on my desktop to the 30 seconds Windows 7 takes to know a real world benchmark improvement. I can tell you from the full 2 minutes Vista takes to shut down to the mere 10 seconds Windows 7 shuts down what a real world benchmark improvement is. I can tell you from the responsiveness of applications within Windows that the OS is quicker. I can tell you by the speed in which I complete tasks that the new taskbar system is definitely a major improvement.
The sum gained from Windows 7 is more than any benchmark could test. Its something that millions of testers have come to the conclusion of based upon their experiences. Keep writing these biased articles and we'll expose them as frauds.
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 04:32 AM
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Nick,
Your article is obviously flawed in several ways. First, you're obviously biased to the Mac, so you lack the objectivity to present a unbiased and concise article on Windows 7. You're using a Mac in your daily use when you should be using a non-Apple made Windows PC to truely get the net effect of what Windows 7 is all about. We need a real and objective PC user to really tell us how Windows performs. As a Mac user, you're going to be biased against Windows. Sorry to tell the truth, but you're biased. You can't truely be fair to Microsoft or to Windows.
Your article is obviously flawed in several ways. First, you're obviously biased to the Mac, so you lack the objectivity to present a unbiased and concise article on Windows 7. You're using a Mac in your daily use when you should be using a non-Apple made Windows PC to truely get the net effect of what Windows 7 is all about. We need a real and objective PC user to really tell us how Windows performs. As a Mac user, you're going to be biased against Windows. Sorry to tell the truth, but you're biased. You can't truely be fair to Microsoft or to Windows.
I am sorry, but even assuming that Nick is biased toward the Mac (which is FAR from certain...I did not see ANYTHING in the article that suggests he is bias toward the Mac, let alone uses a Mac), how at all does that affect anything in the article? The article was talking about comparing two versions of Windows. How would a Mac bias affect that? All the testing was done using a Maingear desktop, an HP desktop, and a Dell laptop. So, how does a jab about Apple hardware enter into the discussion?
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Second, you didn't test any of the network capabilities, bootup, shutdown, hard disk interaction, and many of the real world scenarios. I've always been somewhat unimpressed with WorldBench. Its a useless metric software not really measuring what counts. Nor did you bother to test the 64 bit version of Windows 7, the very same Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Edition which I've been testing for months now.
I can tell you from the one minute and 15 seconds that Vista boots up on my desktop to the 30 seconds Windows 7 takes to know a real world benchmark improvement. I can tell you from the full 2 minutes Vista takes to shut down to the mere 10 seconds Windows 7 shuts down what a real world benchmark improvement is. I can tell you from the responsiveness of applications within Windows that the OS is quicker. I can tell you by the speed in which I complete tasks that the new taskbar system is definitely a major improvement.
I can tell you from the one minute and 15 seconds that Vista boots up on my desktop to the 30 seconds Windows 7 takes to know a real world benchmark improvement. I can tell you from the full 2 minutes Vista takes to shut down to the mere 10 seconds Windows 7 shuts down what a real world benchmark improvement is. I can tell you from the responsiveness of applications within Windows that the OS is quicker. I can tell you by the speed in which I complete tasks that the new taskbar system is definitely a major improvement.
And he notes the likelihood that boot up times would be dramatically faster with Win7 in the article:
"That said, there may be other areas we didn't cover in our testing--such as startup times--where Windows 7 may outperform Windows Vista by a wider margin."
And just out of curiosity, how do you objectively measure the "responsiveness of applications"? Is it just that it "feels faster" (i.e. your subjective opinion)? Or do you actually have an objective, scientific type measurement that you are using?
And as to "I can tell you by the speed in which I complete tasks that the new taskbar system is definitely a major improvement", the point of the article was about how fast the two OSs are "processed", not whether or not there are changes to the GUI/OS so that you might be more efficient in how you work and thus get stuff done faster.
As to 64 bit, it was previously noted on page 4 of the thread by [~2033], WorldBench does not current work with Win 7 x64.
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The sum gained from Windows 7 is more than any benchmark could test. Its something that millions of testers have come to the conclusion of based upon their experiences. Keep writing these biased articles and we'll expose them as frauds.
Which is nominlly what he said in closing as well:
"The best way for you to get a feel for Windows 7's performance is to download the release candidate and take it for a test drive on your system."
Sorry, just don't see how this is a biased article at all. It is an article that purely reports on their set of tests and the results from those tests. At best, you could claim that the title is a little bit sensationalized, but even that is a stretch based upon the test results.
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Mac don't break down? When was the last time you visited a Mac forum?
Go here - http://www.macfixit.com/ and see what Mac owners are crying about.
I don't think Macs have less problems. It just no one pays attention because it is a smallermarket. There are billions of people who use WIndows that don't have problems...limited problems...or problems they have learned to fix. Either way any computer can be a problem, it just depends on how you sue them. Macs aren't perfect...no more then Windows PC's are simply only imperfect.
Explain how perfection is such a small foorprint, whilst imperfect is the defacto standard? If Macs were perfect don't you think we all would be breaking down the doors to get one? Imagine is someone came up with a single drug that could kill all of man's know ailments? Macs aren't the solution to the problems some face in Windows...it is an alternative providing you can live with the rules.
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Mac don't break down? When was the last time you visited a Mac forum?
Go here - http://www.macfixit.com/ and see what Mac owners are crying about.
I don't think Macs have less problems. It just no one pays attention because it is a smallermarket. There are billions of people who use WIndows that don't have problems...limited problems...or problems they have learned to fix. Either way any computer can be a problem, it just depends on how you sue them. Macs aren't perfect...no more then Windows PC's are simply only imperfect.
Explain how perfection is such a small foorprint, whilst imperfect is the defacto standard? If Macs were perfect don't you think we all would be breaking down the doors to get one? Imagine is someone came up with a single drug that could kill all of man's know ailments? Macs aren't the solution to the problems some face in Windows...it is an alternative providing you can live with the rules.
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:14 AM
And PC World wonders why I didn't renew my subscription,lol.I kept my CPU and Max PC scripts because of this Reason,I like to read accurate articles and being an IT it really peeves me off to read garbage like this!If you all want accurate info I suggest,HardOCP,Toms hardware Etc,anywhere but here.
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 08:48 AM
@smax - Very nice reply to the mixed metaphor supplied by @technicalhitman. I can't understand what is behind the nonsensical, illogical responses to this article. And the personal attacks against Nick based on a "bio" of dubious value and origin are absolutely laughable. He is the "messenger," by the way.
@technicalhitman - You fail to describe your hardware; but, if my OS took 75 seconds to boot and 120 seconds to shut down, I would look very hard at my hardware and what services and programs are running. And, for the record, your opinion of PCW's WorldBench ("I've always been somewhat unimpressed with WorldBench. Its a useless metric software not really measuring what counts.") is irrelevant. The rest of your post demonstrated that you value the subjective over the objective. Re-read the article without YOUR bias and it might be more informative to you.
@technicalhitman - You fail to describe your hardware; but, if my OS took 75 seconds to boot and 120 seconds to shut down, I would look very hard at my hardware and what services and programs are running. And, for the record, your opinion of PCW's WorldBench ("I've always been somewhat unimpressed with WorldBench. Its a useless metric software not really measuring what counts.") is irrelevant. The rest of your post demonstrated that you value the subjective over the objective. Re-read the article without YOUR bias and it might be more informative to you.
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 11:04 AM
Please don't start this crap again, picking out every little detail that isn't perfect, As Tech for over 15 years, I have been with windows 7 from beta till RC release and real world work it is faster stable and better, not that Vista was all that bad after HARDWARE COMPANY'S brought out working drivers and a few bugs were fixed, The Media Wrecked and Dissed Vista before it had a chance, I used Windows 7 it the whole time from beta till now and I'm fine other than few things that would be expected from a beta and had no problems and would prefer its new design style and systools and even Vista over xp any day.
Like the First person committed your tests are useless in real world and leave it to the media and media sites to make a really good OS look like crap, like you all did for Vista. I am no MS Fan boy , even though it might sound like I am, but I have a MAC, Linux box and Windows all running in my house and work, Give credit where credit is due Windows 7 is a Great OS so far and I have hope in MS to keep it that way as long as the media doesn't put it down like vista and have so many people not buy it just because of what they hear and keep it all going until people that haven't even tried it are dissing it in there blogs.
Its so funny how Media will do anything just to get people to read there crap, and so gullible to believe everything they read.
Anyway just some thoughts on a so far, so very Good, Microsoft OS Windows 7. So lets stop picking and looking at every little thing up and down to make it look worst than it really is, and give some credit where its due.
In some cases I noticed Windows 7 Beta 3 times faster than Vista, haven't had the RC release long enough fop more extensive tests. Not that vista was even close to as bad as what people said, look at the research where people were given a vista machine with a different look saying its a new secret OS MS is working on and well people liked it and said it was better than vista when it was Vista just shows that what we hear usually determine's how we act, use and rely on things. Oh yes and I might not believe everything the MS CEO and vista research but I believe a lot of the people that tried it and were in the study would have said yeah I like this better, why because they had no media or someone else telling them what to think.
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Like the First person committed your tests are useless in real world and leave it to the media and media sites to make a really good OS look like crap, like you all did for Vista. I am no MS Fan boy , even though it might sound like I am, but I have a MAC, Linux box and Windows all running in my house and work, Give credit where credit is due Windows 7 is a Great OS so far and I have hope in MS to keep it that way as long as the media doesn't put it down like vista and have so many people not buy it just because of what they hear and keep it all going until people that haven't even tried it are dissing it in there blogs.
Its so funny how Media will do anything just to get people to read there crap, and so gullible to believe everything they read.
Anyway just some thoughts on a so far, so very Good, Microsoft OS Windows 7. So lets stop picking and looking at every little thing up and down to make it look worst than it really is, and give some credit where its due.
In some cases I noticed Windows 7 Beta 3 times faster than Vista, haven't had the RC release long enough fop more extensive tests. Not that vista was even close to as bad as what people said, look at the research where people were given a vista machine with a different look saying its a new secret OS MS is working on and well people liked it and said it was better than vista when it was Vista just shows that what we hear usually determine's how we act, use and rely on things. Oh yes and I might not believe everything the MS CEO and vista research but I believe a lot of the people that tried it and were in the study would have said yeah I like this better, why because they had no media or someone else telling them what to think.
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 11:23 AM
Just shows how open minded you really are, let me guess your a linux fanboy? or a Mac Fanboy?.... Well you sound like one...
I have been a tech for 15 years and used every os going, I have linux mac and windows all running on computers and use them all for the things I feel they are better at, the normal person doesnt have that option so they need a fast working stable and very userfrendly os to get them going and productive, sure Linux distros have come along way but for the normal person that knows not to much, its still not far enough, they wouldnt understand that if running on linux why they cant goi and get there favorite windows exe download it and wonder why it wouldnt run, or whne there internet breaks why the intercompany doesnt support linux to help them fix it...
those two posts above you are correct it is faster and better, just because someone gives credit where credit is due doesnt make them a fan boy. I met a lot of people that hated Vista "even though they never tryed it" will like windows 7 more than its predecessors, oh and remember the project that people were given vista to try and said it was a new OS MS was working on and alot of them loved it... just shows right there.
Like they said those benchmarks mean crap in real world appz sure its testing the os raw power maybe but does real world use really work like that I think not its up down back forth its how the OS reacts and works with other appz and runs itsself and reacts to problems and fixes them if possible to stop a crash or what ever its not just sitting there testing one thing to its max then switching to the next its doing everything all at once with different appz that were made by different companys different ways... Shrugs myself I like it and see an improvment, 64 bit for sure where u can harnest alot more of its power.
I have been a tech for 15 years and used every os going, I have linux mac and windows all running on computers and use them all for the things I feel they are better at, the normal person doesnt have that option so they need a fast working stable and very userfrendly os to get them going and productive, sure Linux distros have come along way but for the normal person that knows not to much, its still not far enough, they wouldnt understand that if running on linux why they cant goi and get there favorite windows exe download it and wonder why it wouldnt run, or whne there internet breaks why the intercompany doesnt support linux to help them fix it...
those two posts above you are correct it is faster and better, just because someone gives credit where credit is due doesnt make them a fan boy. I met a lot of people that hated Vista "even though they never tryed it" will like windows 7 more than its predecessors, oh and remember the project that people were given vista to try and said it was a new OS MS was working on and alot of them loved it... just shows right there.
Like they said those benchmarks mean crap in real world appz sure its testing the os raw power maybe but does real world use really work like that I think not its up down back forth its how the OS reacts and works with other appz and runs itsself and reacts to problems and fixes them if possible to stop a crash or what ever its not just sitting there testing one thing to its max then switching to the next its doing everything all at once with different appz that were made by different companys different ways... Shrugs myself I like it and see an improvment, 64 bit for sure where u can harnest alot more of its power.
