[thenewjdevil]

Why no mention of how the Pre can sync all of your contacts and calendars (phone book, outlook, facebook, myspace) all without duplicates into one place? I personally like the iPhone better, but the Pre synergy is very interesting and is one department they have a leg up on Apple but is hardly mentioned in "Vs" articles. Also, it is a bonus that Pre can sync with iTunes.

[swagg]

thenewjdevil said:

Why no mention of how the Pre can sync all of your contacts and calendars (phone book, outlook, facebook, myspace) all without duplicates into one place? I personally like the iPhone better, but the Pre synergy is very interesting and is one department they have a leg up on Apple but is hardly mentioned in "Vs" articles. Also, it is a bonus that Pre can sync with iTunes.

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and yes i brought it up on the 5 reasons pre wont prevail blog that it can pull all of the info without duplicating.. and if they change any info it automatically updates.. setting calendar times for movies you order.. man it does it all!! even if you have something planned with another person, if you are running late, it notifies the person!!! ahhh multi tasking, useless to an iphone user.. i guess one mans trash is another mans treasure.. ohh i got a phone call, goodthing i wont lose my data if i answer it lol :)

[thenewjdevil]

I keep hearing all the talk about apps. Is this really a big deal? Is anyone suprised that Palm doesn't have 50,000 apps in just a month? Give them some time. But what I don't hear is that Palm will not liklely keep a nazi grip over apps like Apple does. Also, apps for Pre should be easy to make since they are web based.

Also, is anyone impressed with the touchstone charger? I think it is pretty cool (although expensive for a charger).

[rextc]

1) 32GB vs 8GB (7.4 usable)- Both should have SDHC cards. SDHC cards only go upto 16GB at $100 so I'd rather stick with the 32GB built in.
2) Video Recording/Editing vs No video - You said nothing about this did you?

3) 3.5" LCD vs 3.1" LCD - Comprable I'll stick with the better 3.5" that now has the smear resistant screen.

4) Longer battery life vs Shorter battery life - based on what info? Usuage, mA, User Changable? Based on the new spec of the 3GS. Upto 12hrs talk-time vs 5hrs. Do some searching on the new spec.

5) Digital Compass/Turn by Turn GPS vs GPS - Pre does have turn by turn, an addition you have to pay for with AT&T and if you cant figure out which way is north with GPS then... and how is that a feature of comparison. Pre doesn't have turn by turn gps yet (3rd party). You can only get it with Sprint Navigation which is $2.99 a day. That is similar to AT&Ts navigation which no one uses. I'll stick with TomTom. Plus the digital compass feature that is integrated into the mapping application to automatically orient the map to the direction the user is facing and will be implemented with Googlemaps for geotagging.

6) 3MP w/ autofocus/30FPS video vs 3MP - You already estabilshed video v non video. Well tell me how pre is better without autofocus?

7) 256 RAM vs 256 RAM

8) Fast Objective C/OpenGL games vs Java Based Games - Not entirely . Objective C is a 1000 times faster than javascript in every sense. Tell me how it's not entirely.

9) Webkit Browser vs Webkit Browser

10)3G 7.2Mbps HSDPA vs 3G 3.1Mbps EVDO Rev A - Limited 7.2 HSDPA and both are expanding Pre is not capable of 7.2Mbps even if sprint upgraded their service. I just did more research an the EVDO Rev A only goes to 14000Kbps and burst to 3.1Mbps.

11) 600Mhz ARM/Coretx vs 600Mhz ARM

12) MMS with video vs No Video MMS - MMS is NOT supported by ATT YET. YES we know ther is no video with PRE. You can send video via mms that's why I said that. It's not just picture mms.

13) Wifi with Bluetooth Adhoc Gaminig (OS3.0) vs WIFI - Not sure about this. I am

14) Audio Sharing (OS3.0) vs NO Audio Sharing- You didn't say anything here

15) 50,000 Apps appstore vs 18 Apps appstore- You didn't say anyting here.

16) Itunes Store (Music, Podcasts) vs No Itunes - iTunes is available for Pre Not in the OS like iPhone's. I can download music, podcast straight from the phone.

17) Itunes Syncing vs Limited Syncing - You didn't say anything here

18) Bluetooth 2.1 vs Bluetooth 2.1

19) Multi Touch vs Multi Touch

20) Non Physical vs Physical Keyboard (Wears Out) - Whatever. I could of listed the horrible reviews the physical keyboard is getting too with it's small buttons.

21) $99(8GB)/$199(16GB)/$299(32GB) vs $299(8GB - $100 Rebate) - iPhones have rebates as well, be sure your adding that in your comparison. Iphone doesn't have rebates. Where did you come up with that?

22) Thousands Accessories (car, docks, cases) w/ USB acessory control (OS3.0) vs Hardly none. - You didn't say anything here.

23) Push Notifications/Mutli-tasking (jailbroken) vs Multitasking . - You didn't say anyting here.

24) AT&T Network vs Sprint Network

[rfceo]

PLEASE get your facts straight, GPS turn by turn is included with the Pre from Sprint. You pay extra on at&t for AT&T Navigator ($9.99), unlimited text messaging ($20.00, AT&T Mobile TV Basic ($15.00).
When you compare the pricing, do not forget that these everything plans from Sprint include voice, texting, data, GPS, TV see all the features below. So when you compare providers remember to add all of these to what other providers nickel and dime you for.
> Unlimited data: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Music Premier, TV Premier, NFL Mobile Live, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
Unlimited Direct Connect: Direct Connect and Group Connect (for capable phones)
Unlimited messaging: Text, pictures and video
Unlimited talk: Unlimited anytime minutes, nationwide long distance and no roaming charges.
GPS: Unlimited maps, turn-by-turn directions and more with Sprint Navigation for Sprint and PowerSource phones, or TeleNav™ for Nextel phones. GPS reliability varies by environment.
Sprint Mobile Email: Access multiple personal email accounts in a single application on featured phones. Providers include: AOL, Windows Live (including MSN/Hotmail), Yahoo! and Gmail.
Sprint Mobile Email Work: Access to corporate email on feature phones (non PDA devices) through Outlook Web Access (OWA) or a desktop redirector. If your company uses Lotus Notes Domino, you can obtain access to that email on your phone through redirector software that can be downloaded and then direct mailed to your phone.
Receive corporate email on Microsoft ExchangeSM 2000, 2003 and 2007 and on Lotus NotesSM Domino versions 6.0, 6.5 and 7.0 through a desktop redirector software.
BlackBerry® Internet Service (BIS): Manage up to 10 different accounts with a simple three-click email setup, and IM on the go with Yahoo!® Messenger, AIM®, Google Talk and BlackBerry Messenger. Please note: BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES), which provides secure corporate email access and access to corporate IT administration, is not included and available for an additional cost.
Music Premier: Take your music with you and use your phone as an MP3 player and radio. Enjoy streaming radio channels, featured local radio stations from across the country and 99¢ wireless music downloads. For the full radio line-up, visit sprint.com/radio.
TV Premier: Watch shows, sports, news, movies and more, choose from: exclusive content, short clips or full-length episodes. For the full line-up, visit sprint.com/tvguide.
Messaging: Unlimited nationwide, text, picture and video messages to anyone on any network.
Direct Connect® and Group Connect®: Unlimited instant connections, nationwide and at the push of a button. Group Connect is limited to 20 participants on the same network.
Mobile to Mobile: Only available for calls directly between Sprint phones and/or most Nextel phones (not through Voicemail, 411 or other indirect methods). Not available where a Sprint phone is roaming/off the Sprint National Network.
Voicemail: Your phone's answering service. Voicemail answers your calls and takes messages when you are not available.
Call Waiting: Like a second line for your phone, Call Waiting lets you decide whether to switch to the new call-or send it to Voicemail.
Caller ID: View the phone number of an incoming call, so you know who is calling before your answer. All unanswered calls automatically roll over to your Voicemail.
Caller ID Block: Block your phone number from appearing on the phone of the person you're calling.
Three-Way Calling: Talk to two people at the same time. You can initiate Three-Way Calling even if you didn't start the phone call (airtime and long-distance charges apply for both of the calls in your Three-Way Calling party).
Numeric Paging: Set your Voicemail to allow callers to send a numeric page to your phone.
Sprint 411: Access Directory Assistance. Just dial 411 from your Sprint or Nextel phone to get dinner reservations, movie listings, driving directions and more ($1.79/call, airtime charges also apply).
Emergency Calls: Call 911 from anywhere in our network with no airtime charges.
Non-Emergency Calls: Report traffic accidents, motorist problems, careless drivers or other non-emergency incidents using special dialing numbers (such as #77, 311).

[msbungle]

For just $100 more than the Palm Pre (that is if you get your $100 mail-in rebate) you can get a top-notch iPhone 3G S with a whopping 32GB of storage (four times more than the Pre).

The original article left out something else you'll be getting for just $100. A crappy service called "AT&T" with dropped calls and the inability to load a webpage in some parts of the country. It's a shame that they never mention that. Why buy a phone you can't make calls with? If you don't care about making calls, that's what the iPod Touch is for.

[lohertz]

16 GB SDHC card is $35 on new Egg and I can have as many as I can
hold. Why limit the memory by not having an additional slot was my
point, one that each fail. So why pay $100 for 16 GB of memory?

The battery life pointed out is 12 hours on 2G and 5 hours on 3G. And that is based on talk time and not amperage hours. Though I havent seen the mAh specs on the 3G S it only gives talk time. Oh BTW, can you swap the battery out if a new improved battery comes along, or if it dies and you need to charge one in the cradle? No, I didnt think so. I did search the specs, maybe you should understand them.

The autofocus feature is for depth of field and off center pictures. Honestly, A simple digital camera. I'll stick to my Canon 40D and Powershot for my photography, but for those moment shots, its not really a big deal

Java has its advantages in portability between systems. Its not entirely better because its platformed based and the coding is easier which makes more attractive to the developer that can reach a broader audience.

14000Kbps... huh Okay. Besides AT&T netowork never reaches that anyway. I know, I have it and had 7.2 for some time and never see those speeds.

Again MMS on the iPhone is not supported!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't do it now. Sure in the future well all have the Internet in our cars, but its not a feature if you can't do it.

13. What do you exactly with wifi and bluetooth? Internet with a headset?

14. Audio sharing? Uh copy an mp3 doesnt seem too hard....

15. I did comment about the 50,000 apps 49,950 of which, are really useless...

16. Not all music downloads are from iTunes, there are others

17. The world does not revolve around iTunes (are you so blind by Apples vanity that you cant see past it?)

20. the thought of a virtual keyboard taking up the entire screen for you to type is ridiculous. I never did understand this. Real keyboards are easier and faster.

21. You got me... AT&T doesnt do rebates on the iPhone anymore...They just keep jacking up the service plan, lowering bandwidth caps and BTW I opened my bill to day and they double the cost recovery fee..again.

22. Majority of accessories are not made by the mfg. Besides, a charge 3.5mm stereo jack, and bluetooth and case, those are pretty std. Oh yeah the proprietary connector need to connect it... I prefer the generic USB

23. Pre support push technology and doesnt need to be jailbroken to do multitasking.

Just do an honest comparison.

[rextc]

For one microSD cards do not read/write as fast as onboard flash storage. Plus who wants to be swapping out cards all the time? Maybe in the future iPhone and Pre will do a combination like Nokia does with the 97 (32GB and MicroSD), but to have only microSD is not a good choice. Second you cannot just go by mAh to judge the battery life without knowing what all the components draw. Secondly the battery life draws more under sertain situations (2G/3G usage,Wifi, Gaming usage, Talktime, etc). All of which Apple posted at the WWDC and you can do comparisons with the pre. The camera in the pre and iphone are similar spec wise which I shown except the optics do not allow for video, neither does the implementation of autofocus. If you wish to carry a seperate camera who really cares this is a comparison of Pre and iPhone, not iphone/pre and Canon.
13)The bluetooth ad-hoc is useful for gaming between phones without lag incase you wondering. 14)Audio sharing is not just transfering via bluetooth it allows you to stream live audio. 15)Ya right! 49,550 apps are useless that isn't your opinion is it? 16-17)Well iTunes is a lot bigger than other music downloading sites. Plus I can download free blogs from itunes also, plus movie rentals are coming straight to iphone as well. When will Pre be doing this? 20) I never have seen the draw to physical keyboards. I can type just as fast and it doesn't take up the whole screen. Plus when I am done typing it goes away. You have to always carry the extra dimensions (girth) of a physical keyboard. Plus when the buttons (mini sized) wear out what do you do? That and the paint/lettering wears off from typing consistantly (I have had plenty of phones do this). Also the physical keyboard limits the amount of keys, emoticons, number pads, functions, languages, etc. Allowing for bluetooth keyboards is a better solution for someone who is all about physical keyboards IMO. 23) Good for Pre I was just pointing out that it is possible on iPhone and will be coming to those who are not jailbroken.

As for which accessories the iPhone has... I have an alarm clock that charges/wakes me up to any ipod song/blog/video, also I have a head unit in my car with full ipod controls wirelessly (what other phone does that), my phone also connects to a Sony boombox with an iphone cradle, I have a tv-out cable, stereo receiver dock, motorola bluetooth receiver/transceiver for streaming and receiving my thx receiver, and I also have an external battery that plugs in the bottom. With the USB/Bluetooth connector being opened OS3.0 many 3rd party developers can start adding sensors (like shown in WWDC), external more accurate GPS (for 2g/3g), bluetooth keyboards, heath care devices (bloodpressure monitors, heart rate monitors, etc), mice, external storage, etc. So no it's not just bluetooth headsets that are usefull accessories.

[AaronWasHere]

no this arguement is irrelevant... blackberry is the king of the smartphone and apple, palm, etc. are just peons... however flashy those peons may be, they are just peons.

[serbia88]

I am from Serbia.

Can my uncle buy me one for 199$ on Florida , without some users packet...just phone for that prize, that I can use in my country?

tnx ;)

[ajlp09]

palm has been in the phone business since 1996...apple has since 2007...soo really...do you wanna go down that road? then lets compare palms FIRST phone ever from 1996, to apples first phone ever...from 2007...thats a generation comparison...or lets go down the pre vs. 3g s road...more sense there;)
Message was edited by: smax013 - no personal attacks please

[cpezie]

Glad to hear your personal experience with the Pre and the valid points made as well. I hope you'll be able to give another update in a week or so regarding the stability of the phone and such.

I'm going to give the Pre a month or so before I purchase. I have a Treo 755P now and considered getting an Iphone next till I saw AT&T's ridiculous plans. Once I heard about the Pre I was excited and anxious. I only wish Sprint/Palm hadn't shot themselves in the foot with the mail in rebate.

Oh well, again I don't know about the rest of the gang but I'd love to hear your thoughts in a few weeks.

[fortheclueless]

History lesson time. Palm did not make phones in 1996. They didn't even have a product at that time. Palm didn't make a phone until 2003 and that was only after the acquisition of Handspring (who actually had the phone capability on a device running PalmOS). Until that time Palm only made PDA's and or software used in other platforms. (Graffiti for example)

[cpezie]

Of course there are free apps in the IPhone store. Like the beer in the glass and the fart app. Freakin stupid apps. IPhone is for ppl who don't have a need to merge business with personal like but still manage to keep them separate. high school and college kids.

I use my 755P for work and personal use. Edit MS Word, Excel docs without an issue. Download work and personal email update my calendar and send tons of text messages. And guess what my bill is the same price ever month $99. I will be able to do the same and more with the Pre and won't have to deal with the ridiculous touch screen keyboard.

Let me hear you say the same about your rotten apple and it doesn't count if you had to jailbreak it.

[qingwa]

The smartphone market is super competitive. Blackberry Curve is the best selling smartphone in the US. Android is coming out with 18 (possibly 21) phones this year. Windows mobile is on tens of millions of phones backed by the deepest pockets in the industry, Microsoft. Nokia the world's largest phone maker just opened their Ovi app store. IMHO, the Pre is dead in 1-2 years (unless they are bought by another company).

[TorturedLuddite]

Does anyone know if the Pre will be supported by other wireless carriers?
T-mobile?

[qingwa]

That is a non-sense comparison.

No consumer is going to say I am going to compare Palm's Pre with the first version of the iPhone and I will base my decision on this on what to buy. No, they look at what is on the market NOW.

Do people who buy the Microsoft Xbox360 compare it to the second generation 16-bit Nintendo that came out about 14 years ago when shopping for a game console? No.

Nobody shops like that in the real world. This article is about the real world.

[augustofretes]

Ok, this absolutely biassed, bigger app catalogue aside, the iphone doesnt have a single true advantage... A compass, seriously? Video recording is nice, but you can bet it will be avaialble soon for the pre (sincr there arent apple awful app politics here).

1) The pre does have push notifications AND multitasking. The iphone lacks true multitasking (listening to music and another app isnt really multitask), jailbroken it does indeed has some kind of multitasking (backgrounder), but is sucks big time. On te Pre I can easily hear internet radio stations while browsing while I wait for my buddy to anwsers me on the IM. And many more whiles.

2) Synergy ia fairly better than syncing with iTunes.

3) You can create complex apps with webos, you can have hardwarw support, palm said it will be available for certain developers (big ones, free iphone kile games can be done with anything)

4) No apple control over the store, just a security check.

5) USB mode. And regardless of how you organize things inside, they will be correctly sorted out in webos.

6) Amazon music store instead of iTunes

7) Faster processor

8) Auto saves app content

9) Better screen, and actually, even if its smaller, it shows more info since webos uses more efficiently screen space.

10) My browser inactive tabs actually load while im in another tab...

11) Physical keyboard. You may think it isnt worth anything, but im writing this from my ipod 2G with firmware 3.0, and its a tad slower even after i am completely used to it, and it eats half of mu screen state...

Among others...

[cochranbt]

I pay $75 a month for 450 minutes and have never even came close to going over, and then the rollover starts piling on. I guess that might not work for those who use their phones more during peak hours, but I have been with Nextel, Sprint, Verizon and now AT&T and this is the least amount I have paid for cell service since I first got a cell phone. The worst part about the Pre is that they are on Sprint. I had Sprint for a year and a half and had very spotty coverage where I live and everywhere else it seems like. Multitasking would be nice, does the Pre have the nessasary memory to allow for multitasking without bogging down the rest of the system? Seems like a good start for WebOS. I have heard not so great things about the hardware though. I'm interested to see what Palm does with WebOS and more quality hardware.

[swagg]

augustofretes wrote:Ok, this absolutely biassed, bigger app catalogue aside, the iphone doesnt have a single true advantage... A compass, seriously? Video recording is nice, but you can bet it will be avaialble soon for the pre (sincr there arent apple awful app politics here).
1) The pre does have push notifications AND multitasking. The iphone lacks true multitasking (listening to music and another app isnt really multitask), jailbroken it does indeed has some kind of multitasking (backgrounder), but is sucks big time. On te Pre I can easily hear internet radio stations while browsing while I wait for my buddy to anwsers me on the IM. And many more whiles. THANK YOU!!!
2) Synergy ia fairly better than syncing with iTunes. Fairly? No, WAY better. This is the only thing iPhone has is iTunes. Sad. The Pre is not proprietary to one system or file type OR plug input (USB).

3) You can create complex apps with webos, you can have hardwarw support, palm said it will be available for certain developers (big ones, free iphone kile games can be done with anything)
4) No apple control over the store, just a security check.
5) USB mode. And regardless of how you organize things inside, they will be correctly sorted out in webos.
6) Amazon music store instead of iTunes Great too, but honestly, who is prolly just going to import music from their Limewire?
7) Faster processor Dual-band MSM6801A processor TI OMAP 3430 processor, 1st tx intraments processor used on cell phone.
8) Auto saves app content
9) Better screen, and actually, even if its smaller, it shows more info since webos uses more efficiently screen space. *Same Pixels as iPhone, but smaller screen means smaller pixels, which means what? Better and clearer screen.<
10) My browser inactive tabs actually load while im in another tab... I mentioned this earlier, and glad someone else points it out.
11) Physical keyboard. You may think it isnt worth anything, but im writing this from my ipod 2G with firmware 3.0, and its a tad slower even after i am completely used to it, and it eats half of mu screen state... I promise once more people get on this Pre, there wont be any complaints about the keyboard.
Among others...



I am wondering though, will the Pre have at least video playback? I mean if we can youtube and watch ohter videos, would we be able to watch them if they get sent to us?