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jhnatko 
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 06:41 AM
One reason that people are not switching to Sprint to get their hands on the Palm Pre is the reportedly short exclusivity between Palm and Sprint. I have been a Verizon customer for over 6 years and am planning to wait a few months until the Pre (or iPhone or some Android phones) are on Verizon's network. People may have been willing to jump ship to AT&T when they knew they couldn't get an iPhone on another network for YEARS; when it's a matter of months, people are much less likely to change.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 06:50 AM
I'd like to point that at this time Palm stock has jumped up $1.30 today alone.
No doubt that Sprint has bumbled a bit here. No data-tethering is one. (They will probably enable when Verizon gets the phone)
All in all, after a couple WebOS updates the Pre's major problems, such as battery life, will probably be resolved. However, the biggest avenue for the Pre is corporate use. It synchs corporate and personal life perfectly. Also being an IT professional I can tell you that iTunes is almost prevents any large corporate deployment of iPhones. Requiring a computer with software just to activate a phone seems very ridiculous from a corporate perspective especially when you consider some companies do not allow iTunes software on work computers.
No doubt that Sprint has bumbled a bit here. No data-tethering is one. (They will probably enable when Verizon gets the phone)
All in all, after a couple WebOS updates the Pre's major problems, such as battery life, will probably be resolved. However, the biggest avenue for the Pre is corporate use. It synchs corporate and personal life perfectly. Also being an IT professional I can tell you that iTunes is almost prevents any large corporate deployment of iPhones. Requiring a computer with software just to activate a phone seems very ridiculous from a corporate perspective especially when you consider some companies do not allow iTunes software on work computers.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 07:29 AM
For a 'failure', the Pre certainly isn't staying on store shelves for long. It sold out on the 1st weekend it was available, stores still have waiting lists to get them, but it's failed because it didn't poach large number of Verizon or AT&T customers? That's silly. Verizon customers are waiting until the beginning of next year when it will be available on that network. Potential AT&T switchers waited to see what Apple came up with for the new iPhone. It shored up Sprint's customer base and is attracting new customers (a tightwad like myself is considering giving up a prepaid for one of these). You're not going to see mass defection to a device in the 1st couple weeks anyway. Give the device several months on the market before declaring it a failure.
By the logic given in this opinion piece, the iPhone is a failure because RIM increased it's lead in the smartphone market last year.
A friend of mine was lucky enough to get one and it seems like a pretty good phone to me. They had no problem with battery life. Hopefully, Palm will come out with a dedicated Touchstone device for vehicles. Those would sell like hotcakes.
By the logic given in this opinion piece, the iPhone is a failure because RIM increased it's lead in the smartphone market last year.
A friend of mine was lucky enough to get one and it seems like a pretty good phone to me. They had no problem with battery life. Hopefully, Palm will come out with a dedicated Touchstone device for vehicles. Those would sell like hotcakes.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 07:46 AM
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Blackberry out sold the iPhone becase RIM is giving the phones away Practically. Case in point, wife and I work for the same company, we were all going to upgrade to iPhones based on the proposal that was written showing all of the benefits over the blackberry. We got a quote for blackberry with every phone costing the company $30 each and so giving the way the economy is that is the way the company went. A handful of us went and bought our own iPhone while the others got the blackerry. Our iPhones do more, battery last longer and the integration was easier. So point is, they are only selling more because RIM is scared as hell and giving the phones away and not making any money on top of that.
Blackberry out sold the iPhone becase RIM is giving the phones away Practically. Case in point, wife and I work for the same company, we were all going to upgrade to iPhones based on the proposal that was written showing all of the benefits over the blackberry. We got a quote for blackberry with every phone costing the company $30 each and so giving the way the economy is that is the way the company went. A handful of us went and bought our own iPhone while the others got the blackerry. Our iPhones do more, battery last longer and the integration was easier. So point is, they are only selling more because RIM is scared as hell and giving the phones away and not making any money on top of that.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 08:17 AM
@ geiger : Palm is up only because some stock ananlsis company nobody ever heard of put out a Buy recommend based on a "trend" they spotted that started in March. Not too difficult to spot a four-month trend, but they seem to think they are wizards for doing so. Savvy investors will quickly see it's all smoke and no fire.
That "trend" will last as long as it takes the reality to set in the Pre is not an iPhone killer. Then a new "trend" will emerge with PALM stock price dropping like a stone thrown off a cliff.
Now, as for the Pre being cheaper per month : will someone please shut up and put up a URL proving this to be the case. At the Sprint site, a comparable plan ("Business Essentials with Messaging and Data") to the entry-level AT&T plan for the iPhone 3G is - SHOCK! - $10 more per month than the iPhone. Plus the Pre doesn't have rollover minutes like AT&T.
Let's repeat what sounded like important information : IN MY AREA. YMMV.
So, at least in my area I will spend a)$100 less up front on an iPhone 3G, b) $240 less on the contract, and c) a robust marketplace with more apps than I could ever use.
So what sense does it make to buy a Pre again?
My bet is people are waking up to this reality right now, and some are returning their Pres and getting iPhones. Some, but not all. Once everyone else figures this out, it's a race to the bottom and bankruptcy for Palm.
That "trend" will last as long as it takes the reality to set in the Pre is not an iPhone killer. Then a new "trend" will emerge with PALM stock price dropping like a stone thrown off a cliff.
Now, as for the Pre being cheaper per month : will someone please shut up and put up a URL proving this to be the case. At the Sprint site, a comparable plan ("Business Essentials with Messaging and Data") to the entry-level AT&T plan for the iPhone 3G is - SHOCK! - $10 more per month than the iPhone. Plus the Pre doesn't have rollover minutes like AT&T.
Let's repeat what sounded like important information : IN MY AREA. YMMV.
So, at least in my area I will spend a)$100 less up front on an iPhone 3G, b) $240 less on the contract, and c) a robust marketplace with more apps than I could ever use.
So what sense does it make to buy a Pre again?
My bet is people are waking up to this reality right now, and some are returning their Pres and getting iPhones. Some, but not all. Once everyone else figures this out, it's a race to the bottom and bankruptcy for Palm.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 08:32 AM
The math regarding comparable plans includes unlimited text messaging in addition to voice and data. Sprint's $99.99 plan has that; comparable plan from AT&T is $139.99/month:
http://www.sprintspe...individual.html
http://www.sprintspe...individual.html
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 09:02 AM
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I said iPod, not iPod touch. The Zune is more like the iPod (3rd Generation). The Pre is a lot more. It took a little bit to realize how to do everything. The only thing that it's really missing is the selective voicemail listening like the iPhone has.
I said iPod, not iPod touch. The Zune is more like the iPod (3rd Generation). The Pre is a lot more. It took a little bit to realize how to do everything. The only thing that it's really missing is the selective voicemail listening like the iPhone has.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 09:05 AM
By the way, Sprint had this to say yesterday during its Facebook chat:
Sprint on FB: "Visual Voicemail is definitely an application that we are considering. Nothing commited [sic] to date..."
Sprint on FB: "Visual Voicemail is definitely an application that we are considering. Nothing commited [sic] to date..."
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:11 AM
Mr. Coursey, with all due respect, you TOTALLY SUCK when it comes to controlling your bias. Yeah, you've taken a lot of heat, and for good reason. You keep writing CRAP like this and you'll keep taking heat! It's pretty simple, really. How much abuse can you take and keep coming back for more beatings? I see you've got a lot of thumbs down again. I mean, are you stupid or just mentally challenged. And do you really get paid to post this crap??
So exactly how many posts have you written bashing the Pre anyway? I've lost track! I mean, just look at what you write...
"Palm Pre Fizzles for Sprint" - That's a COMPLETELY misleading title! In reality, the Pre SOLD OUT for Sprint. That title would lead one to believe that the product isn't selling.
And then you start off by saying, "So who still thinks Sprint's launch of the Palm Pre was a big success?" I'm not sure if you're a little too THICK to understand this, but 'success' is a relative term and you will NEVER meet a BIASED person's opinion of what a success is because that person will just expand his definition to suit his bias, no matter what the actual results are. In my opinion, if they sold more than what they projected, which is what they reported, then it's a success. When you sell out of a phone, I don't know how you can control how many of those phones go to people not already on Sprint. Obviously, the majority of the first phones are going to go to Sprint customers cuz they have less risk. They have less to lose since they don't have to worry about the hassles of switching carriers. It's perfectly reasonable to expect people on other carriers to be more patient and make sure the phone actually works as advertised before making the switch. Having one, I can say that it exceeds my expectations. I trust that word will get around, but when people like you write your tainted articles, that screws it up a bit.
And what's with the pics of what you call people "barely" lining up? Why do I not see "barely" lining up? Oh, it's probably because the lines weren't as long as they were for the iPhone. Do you not remember that Palm knew they would have shortages and purposefully chose NOT to promote the phone? There are A LOT of people who still don't know what a Pre is! Does that mean the Pre is inferior to the iPhone? Of course not! It's because the Pre is still a very new product that has not been heavily promoted like the iPhone was.
"If the Pre can't convince Verizon and AT&T customers to change carriers, what good is it--at least in a commercial sense?" The Pre is going to Verizon, so why would they switch? What good is the Pre in a commercial sense? Well, let's see, the presidents of AT&T AND Verizon BOTH said they WANT to sell the Pre. There's your answer!
As far as the SDK, Palm has already proven they are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure things are right and that they are putting out a quality product by going back to the drawing board and spending two years to develop an entirely new OS. They didn't scramble and put out a piece of crap iPhone knock-off like so many other manufacturers did. So it stands to reason they are doing the same thing with the SDK. Palm, take your time, get it right... put out another quality product and my Pre will be here patiently waiting.
"What's (not) happening for the Pre isn't a sin, perhaps, unless you are an investor." Take a look at the stock performance! I WISHED I would have gone with my instinct and bought some a couple of months ago!!
So you say you don't think the Pre is a bad device, yet you twist stories every way you can to make it look like it is. WHATEVER!
So exactly how many posts have you written bashing the Pre anyway? I've lost track! I mean, just look at what you write...
"Palm Pre Fizzles for Sprint" - That's a COMPLETELY misleading title! In reality, the Pre SOLD OUT for Sprint. That title would lead one to believe that the product isn't selling.
And then you start off by saying, "So who still thinks Sprint's launch of the Palm Pre was a big success?" I'm not sure if you're a little too THICK to understand this, but 'success' is a relative term and you will NEVER meet a BIASED person's opinion of what a success is because that person will just expand his definition to suit his bias, no matter what the actual results are. In my opinion, if they sold more than what they projected, which is what they reported, then it's a success. When you sell out of a phone, I don't know how you can control how many of those phones go to people not already on Sprint. Obviously, the majority of the first phones are going to go to Sprint customers cuz they have less risk. They have less to lose since they don't have to worry about the hassles of switching carriers. It's perfectly reasonable to expect people on other carriers to be more patient and make sure the phone actually works as advertised before making the switch. Having one, I can say that it exceeds my expectations. I trust that word will get around, but when people like you write your tainted articles, that screws it up a bit.
And what's with the pics of what you call people "barely" lining up? Why do I not see "barely" lining up? Oh, it's probably because the lines weren't as long as they were for the iPhone. Do you not remember that Palm knew they would have shortages and purposefully chose NOT to promote the phone? There are A LOT of people who still don't know what a Pre is! Does that mean the Pre is inferior to the iPhone? Of course not! It's because the Pre is still a very new product that has not been heavily promoted like the iPhone was.
"If the Pre can't convince Verizon and AT&T customers to change carriers, what good is it--at least in a commercial sense?" The Pre is going to Verizon, so why would they switch? What good is the Pre in a commercial sense? Well, let's see, the presidents of AT&T AND Verizon BOTH said they WANT to sell the Pre. There's your answer!
As far as the SDK, Palm has already proven they are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure things are right and that they are putting out a quality product by going back to the drawing board and spending two years to develop an entirely new OS. They didn't scramble and put out a piece of crap iPhone knock-off like so many other manufacturers did. So it stands to reason they are doing the same thing with the SDK. Palm, take your time, get it right... put out another quality product and my Pre will be here patiently waiting.
"What's (not) happening for the Pre isn't a sin, perhaps, unless you are an investor." Take a look at the stock performance! I WISHED I would have gone with my instinct and bought some a couple of months ago!!
So you say you don't think the Pre is a bad device, yet you twist stories every way you can to make it look like it is. WHATEVER!
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:15 AM
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Was the Zune soldout for the first 3 weeks? Palm Pre's have been.
If you get the iPhone you need $30.00/month Data Plan, at least the 450-minutes $39.99 and "probably" the unlimited text plan for $20/month for a total of $89 a month.
http://www.wireless....s-details.jsp?qpackage=sku3790236&requestid=156204
(You have to enter your zipcode to get the prices)
The 450-minute unlimited data plan from sprint is $69.99. This included unlimited texts, GPS. Also the free evenings start at 7:00pm not 9:00pm like AT&T. (14 more hours of free talking possibilities)
http://nextelonline....ng%3DIndividualPlansFilter&newZipCode=14201&x=41&y=14
Was the Zune soldout for the first 3 weeks? Palm Pre's have been.
If you get the iPhone you need $30.00/month Data Plan, at least the 450-minutes $39.99 and "probably" the unlimited text plan for $20/month for a total of $89 a month.
http://www.wireless....s-details.jsp?qpackage=sku3790236&requestid=156204
(You have to enter your zipcode to get the prices)
The 450-minute unlimited data plan from sprint is $69.99. This included unlimited texts, GPS. Also the free evenings start at 7:00pm not 9:00pm like AT&T. (14 more hours of free talking possibilities)
http://nextelonline....ng%3DIndividualPlansFilter&newZipCode=14201&x=41&y=14
