[jaason]

I have personally been using the Pre and know of 8 people (4 personal, 4 business) who also have been using the device. The only complaint I've heard of overheating is that the back surface gets warm when charging with the touchstone. The battery life definitely could be better, but I have yet to completely run out of battery life before the days end. That is with decent email usage (about 150 Exchange emails a day) and 90 minutes of talk time along with syncing up with Gmail once an hour. I do live in an area with amazing Sprint coverage which could be why I haven't had the need to charge before the end of the day.

One thing I'm sick of hearing about the Pre and lack of apps. It's a new OS people! How many apps were available when the iPhone was released? Homebrew apps are already making there way out without jail breaking the phone or the SDK. In fact a Nintendo emulator is already out there! I predict in about 6 - 9 months you'll see a tidal wave of apps that you won't need an application czar to approve or app store to install.

[jabberwolf]

This is the saddest attempt Macgek has made

Check out your source for Battery time idiot. www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/
Unless you think Apple is lying.
The palm pre is about 250 hours of standbye time versus 300 of the iphone,.
The palm pre talk time as well as iphone are ALL 5 HOURS!!
[http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Palm-Pre-phone-p_3375.html]
There have been no reports of over heating. Ironically iphone has had those issues.
[http://www.forevergeek.com/2008/08/overheatingiphone3gs_reported/]

3."3. The Palm Pre is designed using open Web standards - the standards of today. Assuming Palm is around that long, what happens when HTML 5 comes out? What happens if any of the core technologies changes?"
Same thing with most OS standards that are not hardware dependent, UPGRADE TO NEW! Very easy, thats why a webOS is a better idea.

4.Pocket gear is ONE OF MANY stores. Ya see, when there is no greedy Apple store trying to capture every royalty it can and restricting apps (albeit stupid ones) there is more innovation. And since its based off of Javascript, the SDK released will have MUCH more ability than the limited iphone SDK with simple options made for non programmers. This is a programming language thats already established and many apps will need only slight modifications to run on the Palm Pre

5. Aside from the Storm please name another BB that has landscape? YOU FAIL!

6.iphone has piss poor intigration with active sync, This is the reason people DO NOT LIKE IT, It does not multitask well and wont run active sync in background. Thats why most people pass on it. Palm pre just WORKS!

7. People need more than 2 things running on their phone. Hypercard works but Apple didnt develop on it, oops they failed.
8. Media sync is an option, personally I think anyone with itune is sucker. Most are beginning to realize this.

9.yeah - This I agree, no one cares so long as Active sync works.

10. Pre's UI does not infringe on ANY Apple patents, which I agree is surprising. Apple has soooo many patents "pending" that never get approved.

11. Author said there are some quirks, but like you, no sources.

In fact this author pretty much praises the Palm pre for its new OS and open standards.



So are you done YET 1macgeek? Because we all are thoroughly entertained by now!

[jabberwolf]

I stand corrected on battery overheating and being drained on Palm pre.

There had been reports but it looks like most of those are people setting their email pop accounts to sync every 5 to 10 minutes

No such report on iphone 3g S overheating though. They are still wondering why it is overheating.

[rfceo]

1MacGeek wrote

Point by point rebuttal :

1. The Palm Pre is the first to fully integrate multitasking - the Pre also has the shortest battery life of any smartphone, and is having overheating issues because of it.

POOR LOST 1MacGeek who lives in the world (or should I say WALLED GARDEN of his iPhone) who does not venture out of his iLife to see that there really is a whole world out there. If he would read the latest info from users of the PRE he would know that the battery issues have been resolved. One person posted that he left his charger at home on a trip to Vegas and was able to go 4 days on the charge. The over heating was related to the same issue.

2. The Palm Pre is the first to allow information from multiple sources to be integrated into a single application - how many users will actually take advantage of this "feature" (which will also add to shortened battery life)? 3%? 2%?

Wrong again 1MacGeek you really like to make assumptions to fit your tiny WALLED GARDEN. All that have reviewed the Pre liked this function. Even Reviews done by iPhone owners.

3. The Palm Pre is designed using open Web standards - the standards of today. Assuming Palm is around that long, what happens when HTML 5 comes out? What happens if any of the core technologies changes?


You keep saying IF PALM is around that long...

achristie wrote:
According to the logic you were using yesterday, the Pre is a now a HUGE
success and Apple is headed for bankruptcy!
1MacGeek replied I never said that, and you know it. I have consistently said Palm has a lousy balance sheet, and it doesn't have the cash to fight Apple. Unless they add 200 points to the price of Palm's stock they still won't.

WHY DO THEY have to fight Apple????? You are really one minded and may need therapy (do they have an app for that?), I think there is room in the world for more than one smartphone you apparently do not. The reports I have been reading are saying that they feel that Palm has a winner in the phone and the operating system. You need to read something other than just Apple trees

4. The Palm Pre's on-device App Store is powered by PocketGear - so the fact the store isn't controlled, built, or managed by Palm is a positive feature? Wow. Nothing like calling the baby ugly.

Poor lost soul sitting behind your Apple controled, WALLED GARDEN, world.
Why build something that is already there?
AN MATEO, CA--(Marketwire - June 24, 2009) - MobiHand, Inc., a leading provider of mobile content and application stores, and MotionApps, a leading developer of software for smartphones, today announced the grand opening of the MobiHand Classic App Store. It is the first and only store dedicated to offering a large selection of Palm OS apps that will run on the new Palm Pre using the MotionApps Classic Palm OS emulator. The MobiHand Classic App Store. With a catalog of over 15,000 mobile applications, media products, and subscription services from over 1000 content providers, MobiHand powers hundreds of co-branded app stores worldwide. The company delivers end-to-end services for the aggregation, marketing, purchasing, and provisioning of mobile content. MobiHand's best-in-class management platform, MobiReach, provides comprehensive tools for catalog management, localization, store design and administration, marketing and ad campaigns, and reporting.


5. The Palm Pre's real, pull-out keyboard is very important for business users - and those users really want a landscape keyboard, not a portrait one.

Here it falls to personal preference and again there are phones to choose from even the iPhone. How many blackberries have a landscape keyboard?


6. The Palm Pre has solid integration and synchronization with Outlook - as does the iPhone. For less money. And with more storage space.

Did anyone say iPhone could not??? For less? Built into Pre right out of the box... iPhone built in??


7. The Palm Pre thinks of applications as activity cards - which drain the battery like there is no tomorrow. Not to mention the "cards" idea is vintage Apple technology from the 1990's : HyperCard anyone?

See #1 battery problem fixed. Seems to me if HyperCard worked it would be in the iPhone why it is not maybe you can enlighten us.


8. The Palm Pre comes with media sync - which Apple will break at the first opportunity. Also, isn't this a tacit admission Apple just does the whole media thing better than anyone else? If that is so, then what reason is there to buy a Pre?

Media sync is not just for your little WALLED GARDEN iTunes, which makes it easier for people that use iTunes.
Media sync also syncs the pre as a drive to any computer without the need for iTunes and you can transfer files back and forth as you would on your computer, including music and video files.

9. The Palm Pre has built-in e-mail - so does the iPhone, but you don't have to rely on third-party vendors to make it happen.

Get your facts straight: Email on the Pre can come from anywhere you want, right out of the box, even multiple Exchange servers, you can integrate multiple email accounts without going through any other service.


10. The Palm Pre's UI goes to the next level - and it might tread on Apple's patents. It's up in the air as to whether Apple is going after Palm for infringement, or not.

I have heard that there may be Palm patents that may worry Apple since after all Palm was in the business of phones long before Apple stuck a phone into an iPod.


11. The rest of the problems, as cited by the author :

? making clipboard cut/copy/paste easier to use
? copying portions of a Web page
? viewing the phone log
? setting the homepage
? viewing a summary of events in the Calendar
? adding keyboard shortcuts and adding categories for the Contacts

Palm is working on fixing or refining the applications on the Pre. I am sure these will all be corrected within a short period of time, and then sent to the Pre via over the air upgrade, no need to plug in to upgrade. they have already sent out 2. Seems they are working rapidly and send out upgrades quikly to insure the users have the best possible experience.

All of which are after-thoughts on the iPhone. And not to mention game developers are NOT going to rush to the Pre until they number in the millions, which may never happen. And what of parental controls? Does the Pre even have them?

Better do some research... there are already developers working on all kinds of programs for Pre... and loving the webOS. Heck they just picked up 15,000 apps not sure if any will FART though.

[jaason]

Just adding an additional point to the above, Adobe has confirmed Flash is also coming to the Pre which alone will open up the phone to a magnitude of applications and developers (again, not needing an application czar or store to download). When is Flash due for the iPhone? Oh yeah, when Steve Jobs thinks Flash is "good enough" for his precious product. Perhaps if there was a shaking baby app in Flash they would agree it's finally good enough.

[rfceo]

1MacGeek wrote
And not to mention game developers are NOT going to rush to the Pre until they number in the millions, which may never happen.

There are major developers already jumping on board with Pre, more and more every day, not necessarily games but they too will come.
Palm Pre and BlackBerry (Storm/Curve/Bold/Pearl) Apps 2Day: New RealPlayer http://www.wirelessa...om/2009/06/palmpreandblackberrystormcurveboldpearlapps2daynewrealplayer.html oh by the way they mention that it will work with iPhone just not in the title.

[novice14]

I have 9 months left on my verizon
contract and will switch to Sprint for the Palm Pre in 9 months. I am sure I am not the only one in this situation.
I went to the Sprint store and spent 45 minutes with it. It is AWESOME! Real keyboard(does not take 20 minutes to type one line, like the Iphone)

[1MacGeek]

rfceo said:

There are major developers already jumping on board with Pre,
more and more every day, not necessarily games but they too will come.

So your idea of a game developer is Real?

You guys have really got to lay off the weed...

[1MacGeek]

rfceo said:

POOR LOST 1MacGeek who lives in the world (or should I say WALLED GARDEN
of his iPhone) who does not venture out of his iLife to see that there really is a whole
world out there. If he would read the latest info from users of the PRE he would know
that the battery issues have been resolved. One person posted that he left his charger
at home on a trip to Vegas and was able to go 4 days on the charge.
The over heating was related to the same issue.

Seriously, guys, you really do have to lay off the weed.

So on your say-so, and "one person" the laws of physics have been repealed and the Pre is now a source of perpetual energy?

For the love of God, man - LAY OFF THE WEED !

[dogrivergrad68]

I haven't read of devices overheating (as in they get so hot they shutdown), however they do get warm when trying to watch videos over Sprint's network - not very much if using wi-fi. There is a reception issue that is similar to the one that Apple had when they first rolled out the iPhone and later the iPhone 3G. The signal strength meter is showing levels that are bouncing all over the place, dropping off the ED-VO network to 1x and back. Cell phones boost transmission power to deal with low signals and this affects battery life as well as creating excess heat. Palm knows about it and is working on a fix. However, many people are reporting that the battery life of their Pre's are improving. A friend's Pre has gone for about a week between charges.

[dogrivergrad68]

Apparently syncing to Hotmail is a big, big power hog. AIM is a pig too.

One surprising thing is that setting gmail to sync 'when mail arrives' consumes less electricity than having it sync every hour or longer.

[dogrivergrad68]

It should be available for Verizon by then, so you wouldn't have to switch if you like your existing Verizon service.

[Biggkatt01]

Ok dogrivergrad68 you must not be doing to much checking, here let me help you, and before you think this is a biased link it is a link to the Palm support forum. And I say that so that the Pre fans don't think I'm being biased every complaint being desrcibed is by a user of the Palm pre.

Oh and by the way the battery life problem can we all say MULTI TASKING, Yeah great idea Palm



Palm Pre overheating and having terrible battery life.

[1MacGeek]

Biggkatt01 said:

And I say that so that the Pre fans don't think I'm being biased every complaint
being desrcibed is by a user of the Palm pre.

By the way - does anyone else remember - or will you even admit - that Palm promised 5 hours of TALK time with the Pre? People aren't even getting 5 hours just letting the thing sit there doing nothing.

But that's ok... the Pre people around here repealed the laws of physics, so it's all good.

[Biggkatt01]

1Macgeek how the are they going to get 5 hour talk times when the phone is so hot you can't hold it to make a call for 1 min let alone 5 hours.

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

i am sorry for laughing to all the pre owners its not funny its pathetic if you ask me but anyway. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

[1MacGeek]

Biggkatt01 said:

1Macgeek how the are they going to get 5 hour talk times when the phone is
so hot you can't hold it to make a call for 1 min let alone 5 hours.

Simple... as pointed out above, the laws of physics were repealed by a couple of Pre fans. The battery issue has been fixed, and all is right with the world.

Unless you keep reading the 44 pages of complaints, at which point Palm shut the discussion down. But they did direct people to a new page :

Palm's Battery / Heat Discussion

I love this dandy piece of mis-information they are handing out :

"The Pre uses a LITHIUM POLYMER battery. It takes at least 8-10 times of running the battery down and charging it before you will see its full potential."

Sorry, but I have to throw the bullshit flag on that play. It sure is funny there is no mention of that on Wikipedia..

And just a few comments later, a sharp commenter skewers that BS but good :

"Well looking at the bright side, if that is true then we would all have our batteries at "full potential" within the first 24 hours."

I cannot believe the utter BS Palm is allowing to fly in their own forums. It's like they didn't have the cash reserves necessary to deal with the problem, and are sticking their collective heads in the sand hoping it will go away. If you look at the Palm Pre site, you wouldn't even know the Pre has a battery. There is absolutely no mention the Pre has a phone or a battery. Go look for yourself ! I swear to God, it's as if Palm erased all the information dealing with battery life, save for the forums!

Only a fool would say this is not an issue Palm should address, or that it isn't a problem. Palm has a tiger by the tail, and only time will tell if they have the good sense to let go and run away...

Until they get bit by the "loose slider" tiger that is playing out in the 'Battery/Heat' forums. It is looking like the Pre is a steaming pile of crap - but, of course, I am making all of it up.

I will close with one final thought which I have put on other forums -

you can call me anything you want, but you can never call me wrong.

[achristie]

So let me get this straight there Biggkatt01. I just want to make sure I (and anyone else who reads your post) understand your logic.

So ONE person submits ONE post about a problem and you conclude that the PRE has a major problem?? And in the same breath, you ask people to not to view your post as biased?

Just out of curiosity, have you been able to find any reliable reports that state that it's a widespread problem? Well, let me help you out. Here's a story that acknowledges that SOME users have reported faulty batteries causing heating issues, but also acknowledges that "Some faulty units are most always the case when a new product launches."

Palm Pre Owners report Overheating and Battery Life Issues

Do you believe for a second that anyone reading ANY of your posts thinks you're not biased, other than 1Macdick? Until you can answer my direct request to tell me what area you live in so that I can check your repeated claims of Sprints stores having plenty of Pres in stock, you have NO credibility here whatsoever. It's VERY telling how you CONVENIENTLY choose to IGNORE that question time and time again! You can spend all the time you want posting all the words you want, but I can guarantee you that 98% of the people who read your words see them for what they are: pure garbage or harmless entertainment proving how patheticly low obsessed Apple fanboys can stoop, hopelessly blinded by their pitiful iPhone addiction.

Nice try! Bye bye!

[achristie]

Yeah, 1MacGeek, I CAN call you WRONG! FLAT OUT WRONG!!

I highly recommend that everyone take the time to read the posts in the link that 1Macdick posted because if you do, you'll see plenty of posts JUST LIKE this one:

"I am happy to report that 1.03 seems to have gone a long way to fixing
the battery drain / heat issue on mine... I have been running it for 24
hours now and my battery drain is approaching advertised parameters...
I have started adding back pop email accounts and so far so good.... it
seems like Palm fixed the battery drain issue but the sync still doesnt
do what it is supposed to do....i.e. when I change the "get email "
settings it still shows "next update in XX minutes" and those XX
minutes arent what I set it for...so i am not sure if they actually
fixed the sync issue or they fixed something else that was causing the
battery drain / heat issue but either way my PRE is now usable like it
was meant to be!!!!!.... Thanks and keep those updates coming!"

Like I told BiggKatt01, if you want even a shred of credibility, try answering my direct question about what area you live in so that I can check your repeated
claims of Sprints stores having plenty of Pres in stock. Until you do... every word you post is as meaningless as your meager existance. Now go clean your room so that you can get your allowance from mommy and daddy and buy more crapps for your iStone.

[Biggkatt01]

Ok achristie, I usually don't get heated up on a forum,But you have to be either slow or just slow to think it was just 1 person who made the report or reported that problem.

Take a lil more time to read the post and not just the first 3. For pages and pages from the first poster at least 19 other people agreed with the first poster and these are just the few on that forum, there are several other forums with complaints aswell.

You do the Pre as a fan disjustice when you refuse to admit it has flaws, thats why this phone won't make it because Palm is thinking like you just brush off the problem, Well the anger that is being displayed over at the Palmforum is growing and if Palm has any chance of this phone making it they and others like you will admit that theirs a problem and make Palm fix it. See the difference between Pre and Iphone owners are if theirs a known issue with the Iphone we make it evident to Apple they accept it and make attempts to fix it.

That isn't a hard thing to do.

[achristie]

Ok... I post a link to a creditable story about the problem and you think I'm not admitting the problem? Do you have any mental capacity whatsoever??

STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT AREA YOU LIVE IN, I SEE! At least I have YET to make claims that I cannot back up. You have COUNTLESS claims you CANNOT backup!

YOU ARE PATHETIC!